Thank you, Mr. O.

On Jan 24, 12:10*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
MajorOz wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
MajorOz wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote:
What John doesn't see is that when it comes to healthcare, we are talking
about something that ought to be a birthright of citizenship,
It may be a great idea for some and philosophically hardwired into
them, but it ain't a universally held view, and to assume it is, or
even that it should be, is just plain stupid.
There it is, distilled into easy-to-read roffian format. The health
care debate in a nutshell. Decent human beings who care for their
fellow Americans feel strongly that health care is a right and the
rugged individualists feel strongly that it's every man for himself.

Rather than create a strawman, if it must be rephrased, please try to
do it in accordance with original intent, to wit:

"Some decent human beings who care for their fellow Americans feel
strongly that health care is a right. *Other decent human beings who
care for their fellow Americans feel strongly the health care is not a
right."

If affordable health care isn't a right of citizenship then it
is necessarily a privilege available only to those who can afford
it. I can't understand...

And, there, ROFFians (to echo a recently heard phrase), is, in a
nutshell, the distinction between us.

oz, always willing to help

Willing to help whom ? You're certainly not willing to help those
poor folks who can't afford health care.

Don't project your attitudes. My willingness to help anyone,
anywhere, is an unknown to you. To assume to know what it is
continues to illustrate both your ignorance of this subject and your
passion to share it.

I help whom I choose to help. My complaint is being ethically
marginalized by those who want to tell me who to help and how much to
pay for it.

cheers

oz, tying new tippets

On Jan 24, 1:50*pm, "Mark Bowen" wrote:
"MajorOz" wrote in message

...
On Jan 24, 8:42 am, "Mark Bowen" wrote:



"MajorOz" wrote in message

That is as idiotic, divisive, and willfully ignorant as saying (to the
nation at large) that we should all accept Jesus Christ as our Lord
and Savior.

It may be a great idea for some and philosophically hardwired into
them, but it ain't a universally held view, and to assume it is, or
even that it should be, is just plain stupid.

cheers

oz, who prefers primary sources

Major,

First, accepting

Read for content.

I didn't say "accepting"; *I said "saying".

Therefore, the rest of your comment is moot.

No what you wrote was:

"That is as idiotic, divisive, and willfully ignorant as saying (to the
nation at large) that we should all accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and
Savior."

I will type slowly, so that you can understand that the above clearly
refers to "saying".............

Check the library for a book on sentence diagramming.

the rest is moot......


Which make no sense in context to a discussion related to healthcare reform,
is poor analogy for just about any discussion unrelated to religion. Now if
we were discussing a national religion, you above statement might apply to
something--at least it would be somewhat relevant to the discussion.

By your logic, ....

Don't confuse my logic with yours.

No that would be quite impossible, as you apparently haven't the ability to
form locical arguments.

correct......but I form logical ones....

cheers

oz, done with response to this one, as he cannot grasp the distinction
between dependent and independent clauses

MajorOz wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
If affordable health care isn't a right of citizenship then it
is necessarily a privilege available only to those who can afford
it. I can't understand...

And, there, ROFFians (to echo a recently heard phrase), is, in a
nutshell, the distinction between us.

Cute snippage is the refuge of those who know they've already lost
the argument.

oz, always willing to help
Willing to help whom ? You're certainly not willing to help those
poor folks who can't afford health care.

Don't project your attitudes. My willingness to help anyone,
anywhere, is an unknown to you. To assume to know what it is
continues to illustrate both your ignorance of this subject and your
passion to share it.

I help whom I choose to help. My complaint is being ethically
marginalized by those who want to tell me who to help and how much to
pay for it.

I'm not questioning your ethics, I'm questioning your morals. The
ethical man knows how to behave, the moral man actually behaves that
way.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"MajorOz" wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 1:50 pm, "Mark Bowen" wrote:
"MajorOz" wrote in message

...
On Jan 24, 8:42 am, "Mark Bowen" wrote:



"MajorOz" wrote in message

That is as idiotic, divisive, and willfully ignorant as saying (to the
nation at large) that we should all accept Jesus Christ as our Lord
and Savior.

It may be a great idea for some and philosophically hardwired into
them, but it ain't a universally held view, and to assume it is, or
even that it should be, is just plain stupid.

cheers

oz, who prefers primary sources

Major,

First, accepting

Read for content.

I didn't say "accepting"; I said "saying".

Therefore, the rest of your comment is moot.

No what you wrote was:

"That is as idiotic, divisive, and willfully ignorant as saying (to the
nation at large) that we should all accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and
Savior."

I will type slowly, so that you can understand that the above clearly
refers to "saying".............

Check the library for a book on sentence diagramming.

the rest is moot......


Which make no sense in context to a discussion related to healthcare
reform,
is poor analogy for just about any discussion unrelated to religion. Now
if
we were discussing a national religion, you above statement might apply to
something--at least it would be somewhat relevant to the discussion.

By your logic, ....

Don't confuse my logic with yours.

No that would be quite impossible, as you apparently haven't the ability
to
form locical arguments.

correct......but I form logical ones....

cheers

oz, done with response to this one, as he cannot grasp the distinction
between dependent and independent clauses

No, you were finished before you ever began, because you have never stated a
position on healthcare reform, except to derisively dismiss people who have
actually stated a position on the subject at hand.

While I may make a yypographical error or two you still display no ability
to discern, reason, or logically debate any topic related to healthcare
reform--or otherewise!

No remember, you are done with responding to "this one."

You and good 'ol McCain--how quaint.

Op

In recent weeks, Light has published virtually identical “Letters to
the Editor” in support of President Barack Obama in more than a dozen
newspapers.Every letter claimed a different residence for Light that
happened to be in the newspaper’s circulation area.

“It’s time for Americans to realize that governing is hard work, and
that a president can’t just wave a magic wand and fix everything,”
said a letter from alleged Philadelphian Ellie Light, that was
published in the Jan. 19 edition of The Philadelphia Daily News.

A letter from Light in the Jan. 20 edition of the San Francisco
Examiner concluded with an identical sentence, but with an address for
Light all the way across the country in Daly City, California

On Jan 22, 10:05*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote:
never mind what this clown says...watch what this clown does.......

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
At town hall meeting, Obama acknowledges "frenzy" over Senate election
He promises to keep pushing for economic stimulus, health care reform
President says his actions helped stave off economic cataclysm
He is expected to push for new recovery package in State of the Union
speech

RELATED TOPICS
Barack Obama
U.S. Senate
National Economy
Ohio
Elyria, Ohio (CNN) -- Offering his most extensive public comments
about the election debacle in Massachusetts, President Obama
acknowledged that he's taking some lumps but also trying to cast
himself as a populist who will "never stop fighting" to bring health
care reform and jobs to communities like this hard-hit manufacturing
area outside Cleveland.

"Let me tell you, so long as I have the privilege of serving as your
president, I'll never stop fighting for you," Obama said at the
beginning of a town hall meeting with voters Friday. "I'll take my
lumps, too. I'll never stop fighting to bring jobs back to Elyria.
I'll never stop fighting for an economy where hard work is rewarded,
where responsibility is honored, where accountability is upheld, where
we're creating the jobs of tomorrow."

Moron.

g.

On Jan 24, 8:42*am, "Mark Bowen" wrote:
"MajorOz" wrote in message

...
On Jan 22, 6:57 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

"Larry L" wrote in message

....

well put, Larry. It's sort of enlightening that our founding fathers built
a
system of government, not an economic model. They knew what was truly
important, and also knew they couldn't forsee the economies of the future.

What John doesn't see is that when it comes to healthcare, we are talking
about something that ought to be a birthright of citizenship,

That is as idiotic, divisive, and willfully ignorant as saying (to the
nation at large) that we should all accept Jesus Christ as our Lord
and Savior.

It may be a great idea for some and philosophically hardwired into
them, but it ain't a universally held view, and to assume it is, or
even that it should be, is just plain stupid.

cheers

oz, who prefers primary sources

Major,

First, accepting JC as one's personal Lord an Savior is not and never has
been a "birthright." One's religious preference has always been a matter of
choice--health and well-bing have never been a matter of choice. We have
health and well-being or we don't, eithere from birth or throughout various
points in our lives. You comparison is nonsensical. You are comparing
oranges to orangutans.

By your logic, all roads should be toll and each of us should pay each time
we drive a different road or highway, so that some one can profit from our
travels. While our national transportation system has never been considered
a "birthright," it was designed and constructed to ensure the health and
vitality of our nation--both in terms of economic commerce and national
security. Perhap we should view national health care in similar terms,
because when the time come that only those who can afford access to
healthcare are afforded it ,our nation will be beyond the point of economic
vitality and national security.

Imagine that you lost your job, pension, or other sources of income and
there is no medical safety net to catch you when you most need one. That
time is now for millions of your fellow citizens. And regardless of popular
opinion, I don't believe the vast majority of these people are too sorry to
pay for their own healthcare needs or that they are to lazy or sorry to work
in general. A large portion of our nation's workforce is employed by
companies that cannot afford to provide them with a helthcare benefits
packages i.e., small mom and pop businesses (electrical, plumbing, building
contractors, HVAC etc...) that employ 5 or 6 workers in a small rural
communities or even large cities, the guy that delivers your pizza, the
young or old woman that rings up your purchases at Walmart, the grocery
bagger, small shop owners--the guy or gal that repairs your lawn mower.....

Yes there are people who would rather you and I pay their way--but they are
few comparatively, but there are also those who want you or your children to
provide for their security, by fighting the wars that they support so
vociferously--yet they never served in the military, nor do they want their
children to risk their lives fighting in our nations wars--why don't we have
compulsery military service. Why is there no outrage over this disparity?

Many people simply cannot afford to pay for a health insurance, pay rent or
a mortgage, car insurance--mandated in most states (I imagine), their
utilities, fuel for their main mode of transportation, provide food for
their families, save for their childrens educational future, and a myriad of
other factors that don't involve wasteful spending on the individuals part.

On Jan 24, 12:02*pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:42*am, "Mark Bowen" wrote:





"MajorOz" wrote in message

....
On Jan 22, 6:57 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

"Larry L" wrote in message

....

well put, Larry. It's sort of enlightening that our founding fathers built
a
system of government, not an economic model. They knew what was truly
important, and also knew they couldn't forsee the economies of the future.

What John doesn't see is that when it comes to healthcare, we are talking
about something that ought to be a birthright of citizenship,

That is as idiotic, divisive, and willfully ignorant as saying (to the
nation at large) that we should all accept Jesus Christ as our Lord
and Savior.

It may be a great idea for some and philosophically hardwired into
them, but it ain't a universally held view, and to assume it is, or
even that it should be, is just plain stupid.

cheers

oz, who prefers primary sources

Major,

First, accepting

Read for content.

I didn't say "accepting"; *I said "saying".

Therefore, the rest of your comment is moot.

By your logic, ....

Don't confuse my logic with yours.

Bray, if you must about this and that, but do not presume it stems
from my position.

cheers

oz- Hide quoted text -

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One has yet to see anything in these pages that would lead to the
conclusion that you have a position you could recognize.....let alone
articulate.

Why don't you go ahead and give it another try.

Try to bear in mind that the words you use should provide something
resembling a clue as to what you think it is you're trying to say.

Moron.

g.

On Jan 24, 4:27*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
In recent weeks, Light has published virtually identical “Letters to
the Editor” in support of President Barack Obama in more than a dozen
newspapers.Every letter claimed a different residence for Light that
happened to be in the newspaper’s circulation area.

“It’s time for Americans to realize that governing is hard work, and
that a president can’t just wave a magic wand and fix everything,”
said a letter from alleged Philadelphian Ellie Light, that was
published in the Jan. 19 edition of The Philadelphia Daily News.

A letter from Light in the Jan. 20 edition of the San Francisco
Examiner concluded with an identical sentence, but with an address for
Light all the way across the country in Daly City, California

Imbecile.

g.

elitist lib dem's are a funny bunch...they think they are smarter
than everyone else...he, he, he.....too funny.......DA's........ES&D...