OT Happy Birthday...

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Does anyone in this thread or rthe Veteran's Day thread respect and like
Dick Cheney?

No, but at least he showed up to lay the wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown
Soldier. Shrub was too f*cking busy. It's hard work bein' on vacation on
your ranch & all. Plus, that dead soldier doesn't work so good for a photo
op. Honor our trrops, my ass. All hat, no cattle.

Joe F.

"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
news:131120070022579289%lazaruscooke@britishlibrar y.invalid...

On the whole, I'm happy to disagree
with anyone who's bothered to check the facts.

And what better motto and raison d'etre could you or ROFF* possibly ask for?

Wolfgang
*or usenet, for that matter.

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:22:57 +0000, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:


And the view of his friend and cameraman, Daniel Demoustier, who was
there and survived:

" I think it was a tragic accident."

Was it? I don't know, but I'd offer the word of a "friendly witness"
carries more weight than that of a politically-motivated contract
coroner (and for those who don't know, Mr. - NOT Dr. - Webster, the
coroner, is a barrister, not a medical doctor).


Well at least, RDean, you've done your homework, which as far as I'm
concerned is 95% of the problem. On the whole, I'm happy to disagree
with anyone who's bothered to check the facts.

On the other hand - you're not a lawyer or anything, are you?

Cos that quote was very selective.

I wasn't trying to be "selective" and I think that is evidenced by my
also not including what is, if we are going to get in the minutiae of
the event, perhaps the most telling part: the u-turn information.

You quoted 'I think it was a tragic accident.'

The full quote is:

I think it was a tragic accident. But why weren¹t they (the Americans)
professional enough to hit the right cars? They kept firing at our car-
I¹m angry about that now. But they must have been able to see the TV
markings. We were visible the whole time, we were only a few hundred
metres away.
The French ambassador in Kuwait told me he thinks the Americans kept
shooting at me because they wanted to eliminate the evidence. That
could mean they have deliberately buried the bodies of the others if
they were hit too. .

The _full_ quote, huh? Er, no...

The _FULL_ quote is:

"I think it was a tragic accident. But why weren't they (the Americans)
professional enough to hit the right cars? They kept firing at our car-
I'm angry about that now. But they must have been able to see the TV
markings. We were visible the whole time, we were only a few hundred
metres away.
The French ambassador in Kuwait told me he thinks the Americans kept
shooting at me because they wanted to eliminate the evidence. That
could mean they have deliberately buried the bodies of the others if
they were hit too.
_Did we make any mistakes? The only thing I keep thinking about is that
we should not have made the U-turn. Maybe that was a mistake, but at the
time it seemed the sensible thing to do._" (Emp. add.)

IOW, these guys turned around with armed vehicles and not only appeared
to be, but actually were traveling right with enemy combatants openly
displaying and firing weapons. Moreover, they were doing it after
choosing to be unilateral rather than embedded, so no field troops, US,
UK, or otherwise knew anything about them being in the sector. Even if
the US forces could see the "TV markings," and he didn't say they
_could_, only that he thought "they must have been able to" do so. I'd
offer that under the circumstances, they certainly didn't appear to
legit journalists, especially considering that Saddam/Baathist forces
were even using Red Cross/Crescent markings in attempts to get to
coalition forces.

Simply put, his assessment that it was "a tragic accident" seems right
on the money. His speculation on what the US forces may or may not have
seen and what they should have done if they had, in fact, seen certain
things, while certainly worthy of consideration, doesn't offer a
complete view of the overall situation.

I'm sure I speak for everyone in this group (and, oh that it were the rest
of the world as well!) in reaffirming that we have come to rely so heavily
on you for the complete view of EVERY overall situation, that we can hardly
remember a time when we muddled through on our own.......or how.

Moron.

Wolfgang

There were four officers that I met in my Air Force career that I told
"any time, any place," i.e. I would gladly serve under them anywhere.

I met four backup singers who sang with Tina Turner and I told
them the exact same thing.

Funny, I see you more as a caddy for Palmer. He always had that 7
iron in reserve. :-)
Frank Reid

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:26:27 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


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.. .
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:22:57 +0000, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:


And the view of his friend and cameraman, Daniel Demoustier, who was
there and survived:

" I think it was a tragic accident."

Was it? I don't know, but I'd offer the word of a "friendly witness"
carries more weight than that of a politically-motivated contract
coroner (and for those who don't know, Mr. - NOT Dr. - Webster, the
coroner, is a barrister, not a medical doctor).


Well at least, RDean, you've done your homework, which as far as I'm
concerned is 95% of the problem. On the whole, I'm happy to disagree
with anyone who's bothered to check the facts.

On the other hand - you're not a lawyer or anything, are you?

Cos that quote was very selective.

I wasn't trying to be "selective" and I think that is evidenced by my
also not including what is, if we are going to get in the minutiae of
the event, perhaps the most telling part: the u-turn information.

You quoted 'I think it was a tragic accident.'

The full quote is:

I think it was a tragic accident. But why weren¹t they (the Americans)
professional enough to hit the right cars? They kept firing at our car-
I¹m angry about that now. But they must have been able to see the TV
markings. We were visible the whole time, we were only a few hundred
metres away.
The French ambassador in Kuwait told me he thinks the Americans kept
shooting at me because they wanted to eliminate the evidence. That
could mean they have deliberately buried the bodies of the others if
they were hit too. .

The _full_ quote, huh? Er, no...

The _FULL_ quote is:

"I think it was a tragic accident. But why weren't they (the Americans)
professional enough to hit the right cars? They kept firing at our car-
I'm angry about that now. But they must have been able to see the TV
markings. We were visible the whole time, we were only a few hundred
metres away.
The French ambassador in Kuwait told me he thinks the Americans kept
shooting at me because they wanted to eliminate the evidence. That
could mean they have deliberately buried the bodies of the others if
they were hit too.
_Did we make any mistakes? The only thing I keep thinking about is that
we should not have made the U-turn. Maybe that was a mistake, but at the
time it seemed the sensible thing to do._" (Emp. add.)

IOW, these guys turned around with armed vehicles and not only appeared
to be, but actually were traveling right with enemy combatants openly
displaying and firing weapons. Moreover, they were doing it after
choosing to be unilateral rather than embedded, so no field troops, US,
UK, or otherwise knew anything about them being in the sector. Even if
the US forces could see the "TV markings," and he didn't say they
_could_, only that he thought "they must have been able to" do so. I'd
offer that under the circumstances, they certainly didn't appear to
legit journalists, especially considering that Saddam/Baathist forces
were even using Red Cross/Crescent markings in attempts to get to
coalition forces.

Simply put, his assessment that it was "a tragic accident" seems right
on the money. His speculation on what the US forces may or may not have
seen and what they should have done if they had, in fact, seen certain
things, while certainly worthy of consideration, doesn't offer a
complete view of the overall situation.

I'm sure I speak for everyone in this group (and, oh that it were the rest
of the world as well!) in reaffirming that we have come to rely so heavily
on you for the complete view of EVERY overall situation, that we can hardly
remember a time when we muddled through on our own.......or how.

Moron.

And here's the remaining 5%...Shih Tzus on an estrogen overload...well,
be careful, lil' pup, or you'll get a broomstick up your ass and be used
as a floor duster...

SNICKER
R

Wolfgang

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SNICKER

Uh huh.

Wolfgang

"Rick" lanr-at-centurytel.net wrote in message
et...

"Mike" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 13 Nov, 04:30, "J & D Moe" wrote:


Most likely none of them were Roffians..............

TL
MC

**** YOU MIKE!

Tsk tsk.............according to Mr.Fortenberry you are too thin
skinned to be using electronic forums.

MC

Nah.. he is just tired of your stupid ****.. So Go **** your hand Mike..


If my worn out memory serves correctly (i'm sure someone here will know)
this is the first time I have responded to one of Mike C's bull**** posts.
Mike, I have never had a problem w/ Ken, I have silenty disagreed with a few
of his (and everyone else's) posts, but everyone disagrees with everyone
else at some point in time. I have now added Mike to my blocked senders
list, he has the distinct dishonor of being the first and only person I have
ever blocked. I got sick of having to wade through threads that contained
nothing but Mike responding to his own posts again and again and again....or
simply starting **** with someone else because they didn't agree with his
opinion. Mike is not the omni or the almighty, we all know it, but his GOD
complex will never allow him to see the real truth and error of his ways.
**** it and **** him, he is blocked.

Jeremy Moe

"J & D Moe" wrote in message
news:J%r_i.13902$h61.3915@trndny02...

"Rick" lanr-at-centurytel.net wrote in message
et...

"Mike" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 13 Nov, 04:30, "J & D Moe" wrote:


Most likely none of them were Roffians..............

TL
MC

**** YOU MIKE!

Tsk tsk.............according to Mr.Fortenberry you are too thin
skinned to be using electronic forums.

MC

Nah.. he is just tired of your stupid ****.. So Go **** your hand Mike..


If my worn out memory serves correctly (i'm sure someone here will know)
this is the first time I have responded to one of Mike C's bull**** posts.
Mike, I have never had a problem w/ Ken, I have silenty disagreed with a
few of his (and everyone else's) posts, but everyone disagrees with
everyone else at some point in time. I have now added Mike to my blocked
senders list, he has the distinct dishonor of being the first and only
person I have ever blocked. I got sick of having to wade through threads
that contained nothing but Mike responding to his own posts again and
again and again....or simply starting **** with someone else because they
didn't agree with his opinion. Mike is not the omni or the almighty, we
all know it, but his GOD complex will never allow him to see the real
truth and error of his ways. **** it and **** him, he is blocked.

Jeremy Moe

Funny, I did just the same thing with him too :-)

Rick

On 14 Nov, 02:53, "Rick" lanr-at-centurytel.net wrote:

Don´t suppose you will be visiting my website either then?

That sure will blow a big hole in my webstats for this week!

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7246/web1qj3.jpg

MC

Jeremy


On 13-Nov-2007, "J & D Moe" wrote:

If my worn out memory serves correctly (i'm sure someone here will know)
this is the first time I have responded to one of Mike C's bull**** posts.

Mike, I have never had a problem w/ Ken, I have silenty disagreed with a
few
of his (and everyone else's) posts, but everyone disagrees with everyone
else at some point in time. I have now added Mike to my blocked senders
list, he has the distinc

Jeremy

Mike
The thing is he does make some very informative posts
Pls see my e-mails w him where I asked him to post his sensible stuff stuff
- OT
He is a jerk so I plonked him but I am able to read his posts in other more
conscious people's posts like Tim's posts
Mike's drivel and drool no longer exists w out him ansd a couple of others
that have luckily passed to the ciber beyond

What a nice friendly informative newsgroup ROFF is aaahhh..

Fred