Favorite Fall Fishing...

I believe now that I have asked this same question for Winter, Spring, and
Summer...so I guess I need to ask about fall. What is your favorite patterns
to look for in the fall, or how do you change your fishing?

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I follow the weed growth. As the weeds die in the shallows I follow them
out to the deeper water. But I always (Winter, Spring, Summer, and Fall)
work the channels edges, just now I limit just how far I go into the
shallows or onto the flats.

I especially watch the Sea Gulls this time of year, because they are going
to tell me where the bigger schools of shad are, and of course the bass. I
have found some great hidden treasures (deep water humps, holes, etc.) by
following the sea gulls.

Of course once I have found a school, I run Rat-L-Traps through them, or
Chug Bugs over top to see if I cannot create a feeding frenzy.

--
Craig

My problem with Fall is getting caught up in the beauty of nature, and
letting my lure stay "dry" to long g. But lots of top water for me in
the Fall.
JK

Charles wrote:
What is your favorite patterns
to look for in the fall, or how do you change your fishing?

Fall is the toughest time to define, pattern-wise.

It needs to be broken into pre-turnover, turnover and post-turnover. They
are completely different.

Preturnover is just like summer, only better. The weeds are falling back
(especially if the water level is falling as well as the temperature
dropping) and there is a lot of prey and bass alike forced out of cover. I
love fishing inside weedlines in the early fall, to take advantage of the
bass that are taking advantage of the windfall feeding opportunity afforded
by the freshly exposed baitfish.

Turnover. Tough fishin while the lake is actually turning and for a few
days thereafter. Look for incoming fresh water and fish fast. Most anglers
think the turnover happens much earlier than it actually does. If you have
the means to measure the temperature profile of the lake in late summer,
find the temp of the water under the thermocline. In my neck of the woods,
it's usually around 55 to 58 degrees. Turnover will occur when all the
water above the thermocline is cooled to the temperature of the water under
the 'cline. At that point, all the water is the same density, and a breeze
will start it rolling over.

Post-turnover. Heaven. Fish move to the area where they are most insulated
from short term weather (water condition) changes, as their metabolism is
slowed in the cold water, and it takes them longer to adjust to changing
conditions. In most bodies of water that means they move deeper. But not in
all. In rivers, they move away from heavy current -- even if it means
ge4tting farther from deep water. But wherever they move to, they will
aggregate. Big bunches of fish in small areas. Lots of fishless areas in
between, too. If you aint catching 'em, keep moving till you find them. And
even more important, if yo do catch one or two, DON'T MOVE ANYMORE. You am
where they be.



RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

How long does the turnover actually last? I'm guessing that it would
probably depend on the depth of the lake...right?

During and after turnover is what I actually meant by fall, but I really
like your explaination. When the lake here starts dropping, I'm actually
forced to fish the channel edges if I want to fish the bluffs, which is
where my little zipper grubs come in so handy. And you're right about them
stacking up... I can usually pull several bass off of one spot!

BTW: Shawn blessed me with two bags of those zipper grubs (worms actually)
that he said came from your big bag o' plastics. Any chance you have any
more of those laying around unused?? I'd be willing to buy all you have.

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"RichZ" wrote in message
...
Charles wrote:
What is your favorite patterns
to look for in the fall, or how do you change your fishing?

Fall is the toughest time to define, pattern-wise.

It needs to be broken into pre-turnover, turnover and post-turnover. They
are completely different.

Preturnover is just like summer, only better. The weeds are falling back
(especially if the water level is falling as well as the temperature
dropping) and there is a lot of prey and bass alike forced out of cover. I
love fishing inside weedlines in the early fall, to take advantage of the
bass that are taking advantage of the windfall feeding opportunity
afforded
by the freshly exposed baitfish.

Turnover. Tough fishin while the lake is actually turning and for a few
days thereafter. Look for incoming fresh water and fish fast. Most anglers
think the turnover happens much earlier than it actually does. If you have
the means to measure the temperature profile of the lake in late summer,
find the temp of the water under the thermocline. In my neck of the woods,
it's usually around 55 to 58 degrees. Turnover will occur when all the
water above the thermocline is cooled to the temperature of the water
under
the 'cline. At that point, all the water is the same density, and a breeze
will start it rolling over.

Post-turnover. Heaven. Fish move to the area where they are most insulated
from short term weather (water condition) changes, as their metabolism is
slowed in the cold water, and it takes them longer to adjust to changing
conditions. In most bodies of water that means they move deeper. But not
in
all. In rivers, they move away from heavy current -- even if it means
ge4tting farther from deep water. But wherever they move to, they will
aggregate. Big bunches of fish in small areas. Lots of fishless areas in
between, too. If you aint catching 'em, keep moving till you find them.
And
even more important, if yo do catch one or two, DON'T MOVE ANYMORE. You am
where they be.



RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

I like apple turnovers..... any connection here ?g

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God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

Turnover only effects your lake if had a thermocline, and if it did, the
good news is that it doesn't always effect the lake as a whole. This is
especially true on bigger lakes. Like the spring, certain areas of the lake
warm up faster, so they also cool off faster. Thus, turnover may be
effecting the western end of the lake, but the eastern basin the fishing is
still in the pre-turnover phase, and by the time the eastern end is effected
the western end is in post-turnover mode.

Then follow Master Z's advice.

--
Craig

Yumm.... apple turnovers.

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"Josh" wrote in message
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I like apple turnovers..... any connection here ?g

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God Bless America

Josh The Bad Bear

Depends on temp, if I get a nice day with no wind and a little sun, then I
look for baitfish and bass busting on them, follow it with wacky rigged
senkos,spinnerbaits and flukes

No sun and a chill in the air will have me throwing crankbaits, carolina
rigs, tubes and jigs. We had a nice liitle preview yesterday, with snow,
hail and rain. Temps are dropping everyday and it won't be long before I
start seeing that dreaded ice on my lakes : (
"Craig" wrote in message
.com...
Turnover only effects your lake if had a thermocline, and if it did, the
good news is that it doesn't always effect the lake as a whole. This is
especially true on bigger lakes. Like the spring, certain areas of the
lake
warm up faster, so they also cool off faster. Thus, turnover may be
effecting the western end of the lake, but the eastern basin the fishing
is
still in the pre-turnover phase, and by the time the eastern end is
effected
the western end is in post-turnover mode.

Then follow Master Z's advice.

--
Craig