Gore speaks at Johnny Cash tribute, reads lyrics from song

"++ You know you're going to have your character assassinated for
telling the
truth like that, don't you?++

It's not the truth. But go ahead, keep getting all your news from
Hannity/Limabugh. It's serving you well, LOL.

"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:49:08 -0500, "Frank Looper"
wrote:


You know you're going to have your character assassinated for telling the
truth like that, don't you?


I don't think that he has anything to worry about on that
score (either do you).

This is only about a 1% conservative newsgroup isn't it? I really don't like
Baby Bush, but I'm conservative nevertheless. That leaves me in a difficult
place, doesn't it? :-)

Frank

it's no joke,Tuco.It's a rope wrote:
Asinine snippage


Ladies and gentlmen, here is an example of why America is hurting
right now - emotional reactionarism , and little effort to seek out
the facts.

And the pot called the kettle what?

"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:45:19 -0500, "Frank Looper"
wrote:

I was talking about character, so you have a much tougher
row to hoe than conservatism. And given the statement that
you so enthusiastically dittoed, I don't believe that you are
a conservative in anything but self-aggrandizement.

How nice for you. :-)

++ And the pot called the kettle what?++

All of my postings are backed by the best science, data and facts.

Go ahead and offer a SPECIFIC criticism. I dare you to try and refute
anything I post.

You can't.

++ After seeing this on TV last night, I have to wonder if Al ever
saw
"My Fellow Americans"? At least he didn't quote "Muskrat Love"....++


Limbaugh the junkie has taught you well. When you dont have the facts,
science or data on your side, attack the messenger instead of the
message.

On 19 Nov 2003 05:38:11 -0800, (it's no
joke,Tuco.It's a rope) wrote:

++ After seeing this on TV last night, I have to wonder if Al ever
saw
"My Fellow Americans"? At least he didn't quote "Muskrat Love"....++


Limbaugh the junkie has taught you well. When you dont have the facts,
science or data on your side, attack the messenger instead of the
message.

Who's talking facts, science or data? I'm talking about idiots.

An idiot is an idiot is an idiot. Political affiliation doesn't
matter to me. There's more than enough idiots on either side of the
isle, that no one has to be choosy.

Now if it was Dan Qualye at the tribute, he more than likely would 've
quoted "Muskrat Love", especially if he didn't know the words to
"Everybody Loves A Nut."

Fact: I have a low opinion of politicians of ANY stripe who quote
song lyrics for any reason outside of a karaoke contest, never mind
whole songs. Goes a long way towards proving that they don't have
much creativity or very many original thoughts.


MOM

PS: Since you seem to be a GBU fan....

"See Ya Soon, Id, idi, idi...."

"Idiots.... It's for you."

mean old man wrote:

On 19 Nov 2003 05:38:11 -0800, (it's no
joke,Tuco.It's a rope) wrote:

++ After seeing this on TV last night, I have to wonder if Al ever
saw
"My Fellow Americans"? At least he didn't quote "Muskrat Love"....++


Limbaugh the junkie has taught you well. When you dont have the facts,
science or data on your side, attack the messenger instead of the
message.

Who's talking facts, science or data? I'm talking about idiots.

An idiot is an idiot is an idiot. Political affiliation doesn't
matter to me. There's more than enough idiots on either side of the
isle, that no one has to be choosy.

Well put


Now if it was Dan Qualye at the tribute, he more than likely would 've
quoted "Muskrat Love", especially if he didn't know the words to
"Everybody Loves A Nut."

Fact: I have a low opinion of politicians of ANY stripe who quote
song lyrics for any reason outside of a karaoke contest, never mind
whole songs. Goes a long way towards proving that they don't have
much creativity or very many original thoughts.


MOM

PS: Since you seem to be a GBU fan....

"See Ya Soon, Id, idi, idi...."

"Idiots.... It's for you."

Governor Dean's Health Care Record
November 2002
John McLaughery



Judging from his eleven-year track record, Gov. Howard Dean most wants
Vermonters to remember him for his persistent effort to drive down the
fraction of Vermonters who lack health insurance coverage.

The "young doctor-governor" began his effort by pushing Act 160 through to
passage in his first legislative session (1992). This act created a Vermont
Health Care Authority and charged it with bringing forth two sweeping health
care plans. One was to be a single payer plan that Lt. Governor Dean had
championed as in 1991. The other was something called "regulated
multi-payer" that Gov. Dean championed in 1992.

In addition, Act 160 imposed community rating on all health insurance
premiums. This practice divorced premium cost from health risk, so that
young, healthy families with limited means were required to subsidize the
premiums of older, more affluent families with more health problems. As
intended, community rating drove most of the private insurers out of the
state.

Other provisions of Act 160 authorized a statewide insurance pool (abandoned
in six months), binding state control over hospital budgets, and a "safety
net" for customers abandoned by the fleeing insurers (which cost Vermont
Blue Cross millions of dollars until effectively repealed by regulatory
fiat.)

In late 1993 the Authority presented the two required plans. They were
immediately rejected both by Gov. Dean and by the single payer forces in the
legislature. An effort to legislate a "universal access" plan collapsed so
dramatically in the 1994 House that it became a national story in the New
York Times. Shortly thereafter the legislature abolished the Authority.

In 1995 Dean decided to expand Medicaid instead of attempting a "universal"
solution. Eligibility levels were increased until children in families with
up to $51,000 income could qualify for benefits. To finance the expansion,
the legislature levied taxes on hospitals, nursing homes and tobacco, and
even more drastically underpaid providers for the health care services
demanded by program participants.

Eleven Dean years have now gone by. The state share of Medicaid spending has
risen from $86.7 million to $263.5 million. And what of the all-important
uninsured rate? According to Census Bureau figures, it has gone from 9.5%
(1992) to 9.7% (averaged over 1999-2001). In 1994 - before Medicaid
expansion - that data series ranked Vermont second among the states. The
2001 ranking for health insurance coverage placed Vermont 10th in the
nation.

Dean's defenders will be quick to point out that the Census Bureau data
sample is quite small for Vermont, and thus the Vermont percentage jumps
erratically between eight and fourteen percent. That is true. However, in
1997 Dean himself crowed about Vermont being 2nd in the nation, based on the
1994 Census data. (At the time he crowed, the newer 1995 data showed Vermont
had slipped back to 22nd.) If the governor can refer to Census data to tout
his success, others are free to use the same data to reach a less favorable
conclusion.

So here's the bottom line on the Dean era: Eleven years of dramatic
expansion of government health care. The near-destruction of the individual
and small group health insurance market. Creation of a true Budget Monster,
heading for a projected $95 million deficit by 2008. And yes, a higher
fraction of Vermonters without health insurance today than in 1992.

A reasonable person would have to conclude that the state of Vermont has
been doing something wrong here. What's wrong is the whole strategy of
destroying the insurance market, relentlessly expanding government control,
and above all shifting from personal responsibility for wellness to
government "delivery of services."

Vermonters need to recognize that a sound health care system ought to be
based not on forced collectivization, underpaying hospitals and doctors,
government mandates to take away consumer choice, and ever higher government
spending.

The alternative - personal responsibility, consumer health information, a
competitive insurance marketplace, tax-favored medical savings accounts, a
high risk pool for the uninsurable, and government assistance limited to
those who are unable to deal with their own health problems - ought to be
looking a lot more attractive.


--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net



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"John Decker" wrote in message
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In article , Gary S. says...

On 16 Nov 2003 20:55:47 -0800, (it's no
joke,Tuco.It's a rope) wrote:

"++ Now only if that were not gratuitous on Gore's part ... guess he
forgot
those lyrics when he and Clinton teamed up on NAFTA.++


I dont remember 3 million jobs being lost under Clinton/Gore, do you?

The offical statistics do not show:

Peoiple out of work so long that their unemployment benefits ran out
graduating students not finding jobs
people working for far less money
people hating their survival job, but having no choice

Things are far worse than the published statistics.

None of these people wants a handout, just a decent job at a decent
wage. But in the "new" economy, they don't even exist.

Hopefully, some other country will take pity on us and give us $87
billion to rebuild our economy.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
Gary, ordinarly I try to stay away from political rhetoric and comments,
but you
are absolutely correct in your political assessment. Furthermore, there
are more
people in Texas that do not have health insurance than any other state.
increased cost of health insurance is another problem that had not been
satisfactorily addressed. It is a sad commentary that the American people
have
been fooled by the Bush administration in Washington for so long.

The Bush administration will attempt to balance the Federal budget & state
budgets on the backs of the working middle class and retired persons as
Federal
assistance programs are slowly eliminated. Sadly, it looks like the Bush
administration will have four more years in power after November 2004. I
hope
that I am wrong!!!


John Decker