Cullin on Boom Lake

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
... Tournament fishing in general and culling during tournaments in
particular has become a real hot button item here in Wisconsin. There
are two camps that have become extremely divided on the entier issue.
Part of the problem lies in that the way the "Culling Regulation" is
being proposed, is that you would only be allowed to cull during a
permitted tournament. The general fishing population could still not
cull. ...

That's just flat out wrong. Preferential treatment for tournaments ?
That's outrageous. If anything tournaments should have *more*
restrictive regulations than recreational fishing if only because
tournament fishermen catch more fish per capita than recreational
fishermen.

If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be livid. And vocal in my opposition
to this wrongheaded nonsense.

Why not? There are all kinds of preferential treatment regulations for
"special interest groups" in fishing and hunting. Entire sections of trout
streams here in Wisconsin and all across the country have been earmarked
"Artificial Lures Only", effectively blocking out those recreational anglers
that wish to fish using Garden Hackle! Why should artificial lure anglers
have access to public resources that bait anglers are blocked from?

That seems kind of like "wrongheaded nonsense" to me.
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We don't have the Nitro this year Randy... think we still have a chance?



"Alwaysfishking" wrote in message
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Cullin on Boom lake, that's funny, hey you never know someone might
actually do it. Tasty burger Charles, yummmm



"Charles Summers" wrote in message
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There's medication for that... trust me, I've got two of them.



"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

And the coronary doctors.

Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
... Tournament fishing in general and culling during tournaments in
particular has become a real hot button item here in Wisconsin. There
are two camps that have become extremely divided on the entier issue.
Part of the problem lies in that the way the "Culling Regulation" is
being proposed, is that you would only be allowed to cull during a
permitted tournament. The general fishing population could still not
cull. ...
That's just flat out wrong. Preferential treatment for tournaments ?
That's outrageous. If anything tournaments should have *more*
restrictive regulations than recreational fishing if only because
tournament fishermen catch more fish per capita than recreational
fishermen.

If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be livid. And vocal in my opposition
to this wrongheaded nonsense.

Why not? There are all kinds of preferential treatment regulations for
"special interest groups" in fishing and hunting. Entire sections of trout
streams here in Wisconsin and all across the country have been earmarked
"Artificial Lures Only", effectively blocking out those recreational anglers
that wish to fish using Garden Hackle! Why should artificial lure anglers
have access to public resources that bait anglers are blocked from?

That seems kind of like "wrongheaded nonsense" to me.

Studies have shown that artificial lures cause less mortality
in catch and release fishing than live bait. If the streams
are strictly catch and kill, then I agree with you, there's
no good reason to give preferential treatment to those who fish
with artificial lures.

I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and
recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs.

YMMV.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
... Tournament fishing in general and culling during tournaments in
particular has become a real hot button item here in Wisconsin. There
are two camps that have become extremely divided on the entier issue.
Part of the problem lies in that the way the "Culling Regulation" is
being proposed, is that you would only be allowed to cull during a
permitted tournament. The general fishing population could still not
cull. ...
That's just flat out wrong. Preferential treatment for tournaments ?
That's outrageous. If anything tournaments should have *more*
restrictive regulations than recreational fishing if only because
tournament fishermen catch more fish per capita than recreational
fishermen.

If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be livid. And vocal in my opposition
to this wrongheaded nonsense.

Why not? There are all kinds of preferential treatment regulations for
"special interest groups" in fishing and hunting. Entire sections of
trout streams here in Wisconsin and all across the country have been
earmarked "Artificial Lures Only", effectively blocking out those
recreational anglers that wish to fish using Garden Hackle! Why should
artificial lure anglers have access to public resources that bait anglers
are blocked from?

That seems kind of like "wrongheaded nonsense" to me.

Studies have shown that artificial lures cause less mortality
in catch and release fishing than live bait. If the streams
are strictly catch and kill, then I agree with you, there's
no good reason to give preferential treatment to those who fish
with artificial lures.

I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and
recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs.

YMMV.

--
Ken Fortenberry


So, if cullin is bad, why are there C&R sections of a river?

Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and
recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs.

YMMV.

So, if cullin is bad, why are there C&R sections of a river?

Presumably Wisconsin DNR bans culling because a fish caught,
put in a live well and released hours later is less likely
to survive than a fish caught and released immediately. That's
my assumption anyway. If that's the case then it doesn't make
any sense to me to have different regs for tournament versus
recreational fishermen.

--
Ken Fortenberry

All this talk about culling on Boom lake... I can't recall one single
instance where this rule would have applied anyway. Anyone here ever needed
to cull?




"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and
recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs.

YMMV.

So, if cullin is bad, why are there C&R sections of a river?

Presumably Wisconsin DNR bans culling because a fish caught,
put in a live well and released hours later is less likely
to survive than a fish caught and released immediately. That's
my assumption anyway. If that's the case then it doesn't make
any sense to me to have different regs for tournament versus
recreational fishermen.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Touché.

"Charles Summers" wrote in message
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All this talk about culling on Boom lake... I can't recall one single
instance where this rule would have applied anyway. Anyone here ever needed
to cull?

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
t...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and
recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs.

YMMV.

So, if cullin is bad, why are there C&R sections of a river?

Presumably Wisconsin DNR bans culling because a fish caught,
put in a live well and released hours later is less likely
to survive than a fish caught and released immediately. That's
my assumption anyway. If that's the case then it doesn't make
any sense to me to have different regs for tournament versus
recreational fishermen.

Actually, the anti-culling regulation (called Sorting) was put in place
decades ago, when livewells in boats were not even thought of. It was
common practice to either put fish in a bucket or hang then on a stringer
over the side of the boat. In both cases, survival of fish released from a
stringer or a bucket of stagnent water was poor. So, to protect the
resource and to prevent anglers from catching fish, sorting through and
tossing back smaller ones (likely to die) in favor of larger fish, "Sorting
of fish" was deemed illegal.

But, to have such a law in place where it is commonplace for many boats to
have a livewell, I really do not see where there is any problem with
catching and culling for tournaments. All tournaments that I"m aware of
require all participating boats to have a functioning livewell and penalize
those anglers that bring in dead fish.

Can you imagine the furor and public outcry if a regulation was set in place
that allowed the general population to cull, providing they had a boat with
a functioning livewell?
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:

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Can you imagine the furor and public outcry if a regulation was set in place
that allowed the general population to cull, providing they had a boat with
a functioning livewell?

Yeah, Wisconsinites are serious as a heart attack about their
fishing and hunting. If I were running tournaments in Wisconsin
I'd have to wonder if having preferential regs is worth the bad
PR it generates. I mean, just how onerous are the current regs
anyway ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:

snip
Can you imagine the furor and public outcry if a regulation was set in
place that allowed the general population to cull, providing they had a
boat with a functioning livewell?

Yeah, Wisconsinites are serious as a heart attack about their
fishing and hunting. If I were running tournaments in Wisconsin
I'd have to wonder if having preferential regs is worth the bad
PR it generates. I mean, just how onerous are the current regs
anyway ?

For other fish and game activities, sometimes you need a team of lawyers, a
nun and a supreme court justice to figure them out. Some of the walleye
bag/size limits, trout stream regs and deer hunting regs are confusing to
say the least.

For running a tournament? Personally, I don't think they're all that bad.
The only thing is "No Culling". That means you have to decide as soon as
you land the fish, is it going in the livewell or can I do better? It makes
it a head game and one of confidence in your abilities.

The main reason why they're (bass tourney directors) trying to get the
Culling regulation set aside for tournaments is to level the playing field
among the other states that do allow it. Wisconsin has some fantastic bass
fishing, only the rest of the country rarely hears about it because none of
the large events want to come to this state because their bag limits won't
be as big as they could be if allowed to cull.

Personally, to me it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Sure, it
would be nice to have the ability to do so, but so far, as Charles has
pointed out, it hasn't been an issue in the Northwoods Classic.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
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G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
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