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Autopilots
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:44:52 -0400, Larry wrote:
Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:53:50 -0400, Larry wrote: Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: Give it a rudder so it can become the happy little second-order system it was born to be. Well, you can't add a rudder to a jet boat. Try to remember that you sold that boat last year and want to control a boat with a 15 hp Yamaha outboard at "trolling speeds (about 1 knot or 1.5 mph)"!! with an autopilot which expects a certain (range of) yaw rate proportional to the control input, not a pig dominated by small forces and relatively large moment of inertia. Yes, I understand, but how would you add a rudder to an outboard? Or do you mean use the steering mechanism as a rudder? (actually, the big engine is a Yamaha, the 15 hp is a Suzuki) I can see two options. The first is to attach a foil to the 'small' outboard eg. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3991700.html This would be steered through your existing arrangement with or without an autopilot. I assume that this small outboard can be raised when not in use, removing the rudder from the water, but if it is robust enough could be left in the water at speed.. The disadvantage of this scheme is the large load on the autopilot of having to control both motors though the steering mechanism. The second option would be an auxiliary rudder similar to a typical sailing dinghy rudder with a lifting blade to be used only when trolling. This could be large enough to do the required job but quite light and weak. If the rudder/boat response is good enough the cheapest autopilot could be attached and used just for low speeds, with a remote control if required. This arrangement would be a nuisance and likely be damaged at speed so needs to be retracted then. I would assume that any autopilot would net out yaw, but I don't know and don't want to pay all outdoors to find out. Are you saying it's a large factor? No, I mean that most boats at normal speed turn more or less like a car, with a turning circle radius that reduces with helm movement. The assumption is that autopilots are designed for typical boats behaving in this way. Observing autopilot behaviour, they seem to move the helm in proportion to the error, although there is also a dead-band, some integration of error and some damping involved. It seems they would assume a rate of turn proportional to the error signal and actuator movement whereas a jet or outboard at low speed produces a very small transverse thrust in response to the angular error signal, causing angular acceleration that increases the rate of turn with time. It seems a better plan to try to fix the boat's low speed steering than to expect a control system to cope with this. You need the gain of the factors that relate angular heading error to the boat's rate of turn (yaw rate) to be more or less constant and within the bounds of the autopilot design, then all should be well. You don't want the error integating up because nothing has happened yet! I fish northern New England lakes - yaw isn't a big factor. Also, I am not a commercial fisherman - I fish for fun. If the weather goes south, I generally head in. I don't bother to go out sailing unless there is some decent wind and waves.. |
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