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Fly Fishing History 1A
Hi All,
About 30 years ago they started having trophy trout fisheries in CA and in other places in the US. People had to pinch down the barbs on their flies to fish these barbless catch and release fisheries. Most all quality commercially tied flies where tied on Mustad hooks at this time. When the fly fishers crushed the barbs on the Mustad hooks, many of the entire points fell off. The fly fishers brought them back to the location where they purchased them and complained. Umpqua Feather Merchants, being the largest commercial supplier at the time, addressed the problem by importing high quality Japanese hooks that had very small barbs and would hold up after having the barbs pinched down. After Umpqua started supplying their flies on Japanese (TMC) hooks, all the shops started asking for them for the customers that tied their own flies. These are serious facts and the fact that most here don't know this doesn't surprise. You had to be working in a large fly shop or sporting goods store that sold a lot of flies at that time in fly fishing history. For every dumb ego driven misinformed comment I get about my posts, I get several lovely emails thanking me for taking the time post accurate information. If there was not so many lovely people lurking here, I would not bother. Thanks Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA www.kiene.com |
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"Bill Kiene" wrote... snip For every dumb ego driven misinformed comment I get about my posts, I get several lovely emails thanking me for taking the time post accurate information. If there was not so many lovely people lurking here, I would not bother. Trolling, Bill? -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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OK, I'll bite.
For a guy who's been all over the world fishing and owns a great flyshop, you're a little thin skinned. Most of us don't go fishing with the Sage guys or former Sage guys like Lefty K and maybe that makes us a little sensitive to massive name dropping. It's the internet, get over it. Have a great day. bruce h |
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"Bill Kiene" wrote (utterly pedestrian tale snipped) These are serious facts and the fact that most here don't know this doesn't surprise. You had to be working in a large fly shop or sporting goods store that sold a lot of flies at that time in fly fishing history. For every dumb ego driven misinformed comment I get about my posts, I get several lovely emails thanking me for taking the time post accurate information. If there was not so many lovely people lurking here, I would not bother. wooo-hooo! mr. rogers with an attitude. wayno (and, in the same vein: see jane run. see dick run. see them too lovely kids run together. run, dick and jane.) |
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Interesting Bill. I have had that happen. I started bending the tip of the
barb down instead of trying to smash the barb flat. Worked fine for me. Ernie "Bill Kiene" wrote in message ... When the fly fishers crushed the barbs on the Mustad hooks, many of the entire points fell off. The fly fishers brought them back to the location where they purchased them and complained. Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA |
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From: "Bill Kiene"
When the fly fishers crushed the barbs on the Mustad hooks, many of the entire points fell off. Bill, I started tying in 1954. At that time, Mustad was about the only game in town that a 13 year old could afford, so I tied everything on Mustad hooks. Over the years, I have tried many of the Japanese brands, but always seem to drift back to Mustad. In the early seventies, I began pinching the barbs down on my hooks, both the Mustads and the Japanese brands. A few, (very few), hooks would break at the barb, usually during the crimping process, sometimes in the vise. I never noticed a more frequent occurrence of this breakage in Mustads as compared to the other brands. I still use Mustads today, and with the exception of the 94833 3x fine wire hooks, I have had no problem with them, and consider them, by far, to be the most bang for the buck. As someone previously stated, the larger size hooks should be hit with a few strokes of a diamond file before use, but I don't consider that a big deal. I feel that the success of the Japanese hooks is largely due to sharp marketing, and the lure of something new, rather than any real advantages. If someone claimed they were catching more fish with a certain brand of hook, I would refer him to the Rogue Rod folks. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age." ---- J.W Muller |
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George Adams wrote: If someone claimed they were catching more fish with a certain brand of hook, I would refer him to the Rogue Rod folks. Well, maybe I should be talking to the Rogue folks but I think with flies size 20 and under, one will catch more fish using one of the Japanese hooks than with the "traditional" Mustads. PS You can get "no Name" brands of Japanese hooks for less than Mustads. Willi |
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"Willi" wrote in message
... PS You can get "no Name" brands of Japanese hooks for less than Mustads. Willi Willi, are you talking about Targus? That's the only brand I've seen here in New England. I went through a couple of 50 packs last winter, all dry fly hooks. In general I liked them, but about 10% of them had burrs on the shank that caused a lot of thread breakage until I figured out what was going on. Not a fatal problem, I just had to be careful and if I found a burr I hit it with a fine file and was careful about putting down a thread layer. --Stan |
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Stan Gula wrote: "Willi" wrote in message ... PS You can get "no Name" brands of Japanese hooks for less than Mustads. Willi Willi, are you talking about Targus? That's the only brand I've seen here in New England. I went through a couple of 50 packs last winter, all dry fly hooks. In general I liked them, but about 10% of them had burrs on the shank that caused a lot of thread breakage until I figured out what was going on. Not a fatal problem, I just had to be careful and if I found a burr I hit it with a fine file and was careful about putting down a thread layer. --Stan Here's the cheapest I've found with most styles around $5.00 a 100. http://www.freewebs.com/flysupplies/hooks.html There's others around from $7 to $9 a hundred. Quality seems the same among the one's I've tried. Not quite as good as Tiemco, DaiiChi, or DaiRiki, but close. Willi |
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"Willi" wrote in message
... Here's the cheapest I've found with most styles around $5.00 a 100. http://www.freewebs.com/flysupplies/hooks.html There's others around from $7 to $9 a hundred. Quality seems the same among the one's I've tried. Not quite as good as Tiemco, DaiiChi, or DaiRiki, but close. Willi Thanks for the link. |
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