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I pulled an Al
Scott Seidman wrote:
"Mike in GA" wrote: Why would you even try to get equipment replaced because of negligence on your own part? Perhaps because this is the specific policy of many of the major rod companies. Think of it as insurance that you pay that's included in the price of the rod. You've paid for this-- you're entitled to it. ... Exactly right. When you pay over $500 for a fly rod part of what you're paying for is the "no questions asked warranty." For the major rod companies it's good cutomer relations because they're a lot like the drug companies. That first rod off the line, like the first pill, cost millions in research and development, but the second one costs pennies. No way does a piece of graphite with some cork and thread cost $500 to build, you're paying for the whole enchilada and that includes free replacement. This doesn't apply to "custom rod builders" of course. They don't really build rods, they just glue on some cork and wrap some thread on a blank that some rod company built. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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I pulled an Al
Scott Seidman wrote:
"Mike in GA" wrote: Why would you even try to get equipment replaced because of negligence on your own part? Perhaps because this is the specific policy of many of the major rod companies. Think of it as insurance that you pay that's included in the price of the rod. You've paid for this-- you're entitled to it. ... Exactly right. When you pay over $500 for a fly rod part of what you're paying for is the "no questions asked warranty." For the major rod companies it's good cutomer relations because they're a lot like the drug companies. That first rod off the line, like the first pill, cost millions in research and development, but the second one costs pennies. No way does a piece of graphite with some cork and thread cost $500 to build, you're paying for the whole enchilada and that includes free replacement. This doesn't apply to "custom rod builders" of course. They don't really build rods, they just glue on some cork and wrap some thread on a blank that some rod company built. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Bob La Londe wrote:
Thats gonna leave a mark. Oops, didn't mean that as a slam on "custom rod builders", just pointing out that they have to pay the rod company for the blank so it's not the same situation for them as it is for the major rod companies. When you're talking about high end fly rods, Winston, Sage, Thomas & Thomas, it's almost impossible for a custom builder to "build" a fly rod on those blanks for much less than the factory models. That's because the rod companies price their blanks that way. And when you buy from a custom builder you usually don't get, nor should you expect, the "no questions asked warranty." -- Ken Fortenberry |
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I pulled an Al
Maybe he's still "lurking"....
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" ...this is the specific policy of many of the major rod companies. Think
of it as insurance that you pay that's included in the price of the rod. You've paid for this-- you're entitled to it," said Mike. This is 100% on target, and this is 100% of the whole damn problem. Bob LaLonde is a man of total integrity and was absolutely right in the way he handled his returns. He knew that he had paid at the time of purchase for full entitlement to the manufacturer's return policies, whatever they may be, and he would have been a fool not to have taken full advantage of them. Those manufacturers who build the "abuse insurance" into the original purchase price are the villains here and should be treated as such. They are taking the cheap and sleazy way out to protect their own butts and to try to look like heroes in the process. The buying public should never be tricked into paying for other's mistakes, and true manufacturing defects should never cost the buyer a penny to correct. -- Bob Rickard (AKA Dr. Spinnerbait) www.secretweaponlures.com --------------------------=x O'))) "Scott Seidman" wrote in message .4... "Mike in GA" wrote in news:bCurd.428910 $wV.5924@attbi_s54: Why would you even try to get equipment replaced because of negligence on your own part? Perhaps because this is the specific policy of many of the major rod companies. Think of it as insurance that you pay that's included in the price of the rod. You've paid for this-- you're entitled to it. About three months ago, my wife trashed a fairly new tire on a curb. I brought it in to the shop where I bought it, fully expecting to buy a new tire at full price. The guy behind the counter told me that part of the price of the original tire was insurance, and that the tire was replaceable for free, or for $26 if I wanted to buy the insurance on the replacement tire. Should I have insisted on paying full price because it wasn't their fault? Scott |
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Bob Rickard wrote:
Bob LaLonde is a man of total integrity and was absolutely right in the way he handled his returns. He knew that he had paid at the time of purchase for full entitlement to the manufacturer's return policies, whatever they may be, and he would have been a fool not to have taken full advantage of them. Agreed 110%. You are absolutely right. Those manufacturers who build the "abuse insurance" into the original purchase price are the villains here and should be treated as such. They are taking the cheap and sleazy way out to protect their own butts and to try to look like heroes in the process. The buying public should never be tricked into paying for other's mistakes, and true manufacturing defects should never cost the buyer a penny to correct. Here's where we part company. Why would a rod company set themselves up to be judge, jury and final authority over rod breakage knowing full well that some will cheat and some will feel cheated ? Better just to replace them all and incorporate it into the cost of the rod. Remember, we're not talking about what's fair, we're talking about what's good for their business. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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I pulled an Al
"Bob Rickard" wrote in
. com: Bob LaLonde is a man of total integrity and was absolutely right in the way he handled his returns. He knew that he had paid at the time of purchase for full entitlement to the manufacturer's return policies, whatever they may be, and he would have been a fool not to have taken full advantage of them. Of course. I wasn't talking about custom rods when I posted, but there is an expected difference. If I bought a custom rod, and the blank had a no- fault warrantee, I would expect the maker to charge me for time and material, minus the blank, which he would get replaced by warrantee. Depending on the price of the rod, I might not buy one without a no-fault warranteed blank Those manufacturers who build the "abuse insurance" into the original purchase price are the villains here and should be treated as such. They are taking the cheap and sleazy way out to protect their own butts and to try to look like heroes in the process. The buying public should never be tricked into paying for other's mistakes, and true manufacturing defects should never cost the buyer a penny to correct. The buying public isn't being "tricked" into anything. They all have purchased the same no-fault insurance that any other purchaser has. If they don't believe in that type of policy, they should consider Loomis or some other rod with a warrantee they can live with. If there are any villians, its the customers that insist on paying $600 for a $200 fly rod. Scott |
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I pulled an Al
"Bob Rickard" wrote in
. com: Bob LaLonde is a man of total integrity and was absolutely right in the way he handled his returns. He knew that he had paid at the time of purchase for full entitlement to the manufacturer's return policies, whatever they may be, and he would have been a fool not to have taken full advantage of them. Of course. I wasn't talking about custom rods when I posted, but there is an expected difference. If I bought a custom rod, and the blank had a no- fault warrantee, I would expect the maker to charge me for time and material, minus the blank, which he would get replaced by warrantee. Depending on the price of the rod, I might not buy one without a no-fault warranteed blank Those manufacturers who build the "abuse insurance" into the original purchase price are the villains here and should be treated as such. They are taking the cheap and sleazy way out to protect their own butts and to try to look like heroes in the process. The buying public should never be tricked into paying for other's mistakes, and true manufacturing defects should never cost the buyer a penny to correct. The buying public isn't being "tricked" into anything. They all have purchased the same no-fault insurance that any other purchaser has. If they don't believe in that type of policy, they should consider Loomis or some other rod with a warrantee they can live with. If there are any villians, its the customers that insist on paying $600 for a $200 fly rod. Scott |
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Scott Seidman wrote:
snip If there are any villians, its the customers that insist on paying $600 for a $200 fly rod. Who wouldn't want to pay $200 for a Sage 890-4 TCR, arguably the best stick available for tossing big wind eaters to bucketmouths, but they run $725 for the factory model and $363 for the blank. If you know where to find a comparable cannon for less I'd sure love to hear about it. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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I pulled an Al
Scott Seidman wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Scott Seidman wrote: snip If there are any villians, its the customers that insist on paying $600 for a $200 fly rod. Who wouldn't want to pay $200 for a Sage 890-4 TCR, arguably the best stick available for tossing big wind eaters to bucketmouths, but they run $725 for the factory model and $363 for the blank. If you know where to find a comparable cannon for less I'd sure love to hear about it. Well, I can't tell you what's comparable to that, but I can tell you that I search for the right time and place to buy the right rod. A Winston Boron XTR is comparable, $675 factory, $338 blank. snip I've seen the Sage discount program for guides, and a guide pays not much more than $275 for much of Sage's top of the line is today (I don't know about the TCR, though)--and Sage would still make money off the rod. Right, I bought one of my Winstons when I guided and paid right at 20% of retail, back then that was ~$100 for a ~$500 rod, but there was/is no warranty at all, if I break it, that's that. And then too, in Montana you actually have to log hours on the stream and have it verified by an outfitter to qualify for guide discounts. At my age and my curmudgeonly temperament I'd just as soon pay the extra $$$ as to have to spend time on a stream with a *!#$%^* tourist. ;-) snip We can go back and forth about what makes a $600 rod worth $600. I think a good part of that is the warrantee ... So it's not particularly villainous to fish with a $600 rod, it's only villainous if you pay retail for it ? ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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