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I need some fish hook info from you. Thanks!
Hi.
I'm from Poland. I'm interested about hook manufacturing. Where I can find more about firms who product machines for hook manufacturing? I would like to start small business in my county. Nothing big, just to pay my school for next 2 years. I search google but all I get is firms that sell hooks. I can't find any firm that sell machine, machine that make/produce/manufacture hooks. Can someone give me advice about this! Thanks in advance! |
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I need some fish hook info from you. Thanks!
mario wrote:
Hi. I'm from Poland. I'm interested about hook manufacturing. WEll I have some bad news for you Where I can find more about firms who product machines for hook manufacturing? No where in the world, all hook machines are custom built "in-house" by the 5,, yes there are "only 5", hook manufacturers in the world. These 5 companies make all the hooks of the 100 or so brands that are on the market in the world. Other hooks companies "design" the hooks they want to sell and these 5 manufacturers make the hooks for them. Just for your information, a hook machine cost around 500,000 dollars to build. A single hook die for just one style hook can run up to 30,000 dollars If your thinking about having some made for you, their minimum order is 100,000 dollars U.S. I would like to start small business in my county. Nothing big, just to pay my school for next 2 years. May I suggest you get into making weights, or tying flies, and or jigs . Even if you could make your own machine, you would have two problems 1. It would be impossible for you to compete price wise with companies that make millions, and millions of hooks. Their hooks retail for 1/5 what yours would cost to make. 2. Forming the hook is only half the job, tempering the hooks, is the most guarded secret in the industrialized world, you could find out how to build a H-bomb, easier, than getting the procedure for the proper tempering of fishing hooks, and that's just for one style hook, there are many different tempers for different hooks and the metals they are made from, each of the 5 companies guard this information, more than the secrets of governments are guarded I search google but all I get is firms that sell hooks. I can't find any firm that sell machine, machine that make/produce/manufacture hooks. That's because there are NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can someone give me advice about this! I just did :-) Thanks in advance! Your welcome -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Straight Up Hooks , Straight Up Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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I need some fish hook info from you. Thanks!
The people in your neck of the woods I'd talk to would be VMC, some of the
stuff they use has been used in the factory for a long time, and they just may be able to help you start. Also I'd take a few metallurgy classes. |
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I need some fish hook info from you. Thanks!
"Rodney" wrote in message
... wrote: The people in your neck of the woods I'd talk to would be VMC, some of the stuff they use has been used in the factory for a long time, and they just may be able to help you start. You will be surprised at their "lack" of help they will give, and nearly all hook machines are very old, they use 75 year old technology, that is still protected by trade secrets Also I'd take a few metallurgy classes. Sorry but hook tempering is not taught, and in the last twenty years there have been three attempts to start new hook companies, all three failed (after spending millions) just because they could not temper the hooks properly, They could not find a single person they could hire (or steal from another company) that knew how, they tried and tried, but they could not do it. I would think that some of the techniques used to harden other small metal parts like gun mechanisms would lend themselves to hook making. I think I would atleast ask around to see if the local colleges have any really cool metallurgy guys teaching in their vocational type classes. -- Bob La Londe Yuma, Az http://www.YumaBassMan.com Promote Your Fishing, Boating, or Guide Site for Free Simply add it to our index page. No reciprocal link required. (Requested, but not required) |
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I need some fish hook info from you. Thanks!
If you are looking online for information try different approaches to
your searches. Ask a friend to search for you and see if they come up with different results. Sometimes you just have to know the right catch-phrase to find search results for less common topics. I have a couple of friends I rely on to do the same thing for me when I have problems finding info I want online. Asking a friend has led to many successes just because they maybe used one or two works different than what I did in my search. You might find some business advocacy groups that may help you find the information and resources you are looking for. In the US, as an example, there is the Small Business Association. This group has helped many people plan, initiate, and run businesses that were previously just dreams. You may find similar groups in your city/state etc. Two words of caution. (1) You may very well find a way to nudge into the "hook" industry and be successful. Despite how hard it seems from reading other posts. If this is your "dream" go for it. (2) This is probably much more involved than just "making" hooks to pay for school. If you are looking for quick (or quicker) money for school you may want to look elsewhere. Hook making is manufacturing. Manufacturing usually turns out to be a very involved business. If you were to make hooks (and beat the odds other posters have given you) then you have to sell them. You'd probably have to sell a lot to pay for coffee during your in-between class breaks. This takes a lot of time writing letters, sending letters, writing emails, sending emails, replying to letters and emails, calling people, working the streets, visiting local businesses, visiting far away businesses, creating brochures, testing and comparing your product against others and complying with international (or national) requirements for hooks. I'm not "negative" on the idea. Just providing a different angle. I wish you the best of luck! If you end up making hooks maybe post here. I'd be one of the first to give yours a try!! I hope this helps. *************** Check out this fishing DVD: Reel Adventures: Baja California http://www.tk-prod.com/reeladventures Playmate Crystal Smith and entertainer Rebel Bonham bring you the first-hand thrill of deep sea fishing. Whether they are on the beach taking in sun or on the Sea of Cortez scouting for fish there is plenty here to reel in. Fishing action, tips, seasonal information and more. On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:29:49 +0200, "mario" wrote: Hi. I'm from Poland. I'm interested about hook manufacturing. Where I can find more about firms who product machines for hook manufacturing? I would like to start small business in my county. Nothing big, just to pay my school for next 2 years. I search google but all I get is firms that sell hooks. I can't find any firm that sell machine, machine that make/produce/manufacture hooks. Can someone give me advice about this! Thanks in advance! |
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I need some fish hook info from you. Thanks!
Bob La Londe wrote:
I would think that some of the techniques used to harden other small metal parts like gun mechanisms would lend themselves to hook making. So did these other companies, but they were badly mistaken (the last one invested 20 million dollars in tooling and start up cost) Unlike gun parts, hooks must have to allow some bend in them, (yet their points must be rock hard) because of the very small wire diameter, it is very precise in the temperature (to the degree for each wire Dia.) how long it takes to get to that degree, how long it must stay there, and the rate of cooling and/or re-heating. Even how much of the wire is touching a surface while all this is going on. The biggest thing is each hook must be the same temper for the style it is, each batch must be all the same, and one batch done 20 years ago must match the batch done yesterday. This is not for the hobbyist, or the small business man. The hook companies will not temper "your" hooks for you either, I have tried to get them to do this. They will only do the hooks they manufacture for you I think I would atleast ask around to see if the local colleges have any really cool metallurgy guys teaching in their vocational type classes. Perhaps someone could figure it out, but it would cost a lot of money to do so, and a lot of time, with no guaranties There are other things this young man can manufacture in fishing for his small business, with out the extremely high start up cost, and highly skilled training that will not be taught to anyone. Like I suggested, he can tie flies, make weights, and/or custom lures Heck he can build a better rod holder, or even make custom fishing rods, Making hooks are not for the the little people like him and me, or even the mega companies that want to compete with the existing players -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Straight Up Hooks , Straight Up Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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I need some fish hook info from you. Thanks!
The Fishing Guy wrote:
I'm not "negative" on the idea. Just providing a different angle. I'm just showing him the "FACTS" involved, I know these facts from spending a year "inside" the hook making business. From spending a year working with True Turn/Daiichi to get my new hook design manufactured. I was like him, thinking that we could just build our own manufacturing facility for them. I just saved him a year of wasting his time -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Straight Up Hooks , Straight Up Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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I need some fish hook info from you. Thanks!
"Rodney" wrote in message
... The Fishing Guy wrote: I'm not "negative" on the idea. Just providing a different angle. I'm just showing him the "FACTS" involved, I know these facts from spending a year "inside" the hook making business. From spending a year working with True Turn/Daiichi to get my new hook design manufactured. I was like him, thinking that we could just build our own manufacturing facility for them. I just saved him a year of wasting his time So why doesn't Daichi make a Tru Turn worm hook with a Z-bend. I actually tookt he time to get set up with Daichi only to discover that I like the Eagle Claw rotating hooks better becasue they make it in a Z bend version. I still like the Tru-Turn barb kneck for some subtle presentations, but the Z bend is the way to go if you want your hooks to last. In my other post/question I was thinking of parts like hammer springs. For that matter a simple process like carbon treating only part of the hook might be an answer. Just ideas. -- Bob La Londe Yuma, Az http://www.YumaBassMan.com Promote Your Fishing, Boating, or Guide Site for Free Simply add it to our index page. No reciprocal link required. (Requested, but not required) |
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