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Old March 20th, 2006, 02:45 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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what are you guys talking about??? The original post was about carp, wasn't?

Also, I am MSC already, did you guys even start a college?

"Henry Hefner" wrote in message
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Yes, but you are posting about carp in the newsgroup
rec.outdoors.fishing.BASS
That is what is known as off topic cross posting.
greg wrote:
what is the topic of this thread? carp, isn't?

"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
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"greg" wrote, "I simply cant believe how ignorant you are"

I feel the same way about offtopic cross posters. Please try not to
cross post to other groups. Some groups have charters, FAQ and
posting guidelines, please try to observe them.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:59:11 -0500, "greg" sent
into the ether:

I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit
smarter,
you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to
the
States. You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those
colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider
anything but bass fishing. Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey,
open
your
eyes!

I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money
into
marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one
to
switch


"E." wrote in message
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Down here the protocol is to cut their stinking heads off then let
them
go.
There's no denying carp are a good fighting fish, but they are a
destructive pest. Anyone releasing a carp deserves to have all
their
gear
confiscated, and face court.


That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the
carp
are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.

Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them.
E.





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Old March 20th, 2006, 03:46 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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greg wrote:

I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit smarter,
you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to the
States.


Then the States needs to urgently re-examine its policies, before its
waterways are overrun, fouled up, and devoid of anything but mud puppies.

You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those
colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider
anything but bass fishing.


Making baseless statements makes you like stupid. I don't buy magazines
unless they are giving away free stuff. I also don't fish for bass. Why
would I when there are much better fish to target such as Murray Cod and
Yellowbelly about?
I also target carp regularly, but for different reasons.

Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey, open your
eyes!


Pot, Kettle, Black. That bit on your map that says "here be dragons..."
is actually The Rest Of The World. It exists. The US is not alone on
planet earth. Introduced carp are a problem in many countries.

I'm not denying that carp are a fun fish to catch, I just think
promoting them is stupid due to the damage they have been proven to do.
I don't think you'd win many freinds by illegaling stocking carp into a
previously carp free waterway.

I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into
marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to
switch


We already have carp killing tournaments to get rid of the pests.
My comments are about releasing them or caring for the scumsuckers.
Standard practice is to take a small axe to despatch them, so you don't
foul a knife to be used on a decent fish.
E.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 04:03 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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greg wrote:
I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit smarter,
you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to the
States. You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those
colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider
anything but bass fishing. Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey, open your
eyes!

I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into
marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to
switch



As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all
native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that
carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing
every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some
DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to
get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game
fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R
them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of
water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no
protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!!

Sure carp are fun to catch, shooting coyotes is fun too, and here, in
the south, where coyotes are not native, that they have no place in our
eco-system, we have fun eradicating them. Just like we do with the
imported starlings

If you like carp fishing ,, fine,, have at it, but remove every carp you
catch, eat them , give them away, plant them in your garden, there sure
is no shortage of them, and there never will be, untill we convince the
DNR's to poison them "all". At least you crap fishermen can help control
their numbers, then we bass fishermen, would not bad mouth ya'll so much.

Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them,
netting them in huge numbers.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
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Old March 20th, 2006, 04:18 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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greg wrote:

(clipped)

Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting
them in huge numbers.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Isn't there a commercial market for them. Newspaper ran a story about
commercial fishermen licensed to seine the Pec river in N. Ill. a few years
ago. Asked the fishermen what they did with the Carp. Their answer "sold
them to a major fast food chain"..which by the way, they wouldn't name. I
always thought that fish sandwich at McDonalds had a familiar taste to it.
Tom G.


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Old March 20th, 2006, 06:38 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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Rodney Long wrote:
greg wrote:

As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all
native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that
carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing
every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some
DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to
get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game
fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R
them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of
water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no
protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!!


We have the same problem here with spotty carp, AKA trout, which are
about the only large fish left in upland waterways. The original
inhabitants have been outstocked, then outbred by trout.
Suggestions of making some streams trout-free to give natives a chance
is met by howls of derision. I hope the same situation never occurs with
carp.

Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them,
netting them in huge numbers.


They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,
E.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 06:40 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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Tom G wrote:

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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greg wrote:


(clipped)

Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting
them in huge numbers.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com


Isn't there a commercial market for them. Newspaper ran a story about
commercial fishermen licensed to seine the Pec river in N. Ill. a few years
ago. Asked the fishermen what they did with the Carp. Their answer "sold
them to a major fast food chain"..which by the way, they wouldn't name. I
always thought that fish sandwich at McDonalds had a familiar taste to it.
Tom G.


Anyone serving carp disguising it as something else is likely to end up
gilled and gutted.
E.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 10:20 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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"E." wrote in message
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They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,



Looking forward to April 1. Net season runs for 2 months here in Michigan,
(lower, upper has a 1 month season starting a month later)

I have a new net on the way, my ropes are ready to go,

I love killing carp in large numbers.

Did you know that netters catch as many fish on the bottom of the net as the
top? (8x8 net lays flat on the bottom)
Next carp you catch, examine the dorsal fin. There is a saw-toothed spine
that catches in the mesh and a 30 pounder can be lifted only by the spine.
You can tell when you've set your net on top of a big one. The whole
assembly starts shaking and bouncing around. Wait a few to insure the mesh
catches the barbs. Funny sight , pulling 3-4 carp up by a single fin and
all hanging below the net.

I'll post some pictures in a few weeks.


Pepperoni



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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:21 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.
And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...

I hope I will at least make you thinking.
"E." wrote in message
...
Rodney Long wrote:
greg wrote:

As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all
native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that
carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing
every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some
DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to
get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game
fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R
them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of
water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no
protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!!


We have the same problem here with spotty carp, AKA trout, which are about
the only large fish left in upland waterways. The original inhabitants
have been outstocked, then outbred by trout.
Suggestions of making some streams trout-free to give natives a chance is
met by howls of derision. I hope the same situation never occurs with
carp.

Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting
them in huge numbers.


They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,
E.



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Old March 20th, 2006, 01:25 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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Tom G wrote:
I
always thought that fish sandwich at McDonalds had a familiar taste to it.
Tom G.


Those are 100% shark, at least they were, as I had a friend that had the
contract with supplying them shark meat 20 years ago, The reason they
used shark is because it has no bones, Think about the law suit if
someone got a carp bone stuck in their throat


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com
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Old March 20th, 2006, 02:13 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing.bass,alt.fishing
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greg wrote:

Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?


In a heart beat, and it's brilliant, not stupid, would do the same for
snake heads, and all those other carp that are now taking over. It's
called PEST CONTROL, no different than killing rats, as carp are the
rats of the water. I guess you think it's cruel to set a mouse trap in
your house ? Do you teach your kids that roaches are nice and should
never be killed ?

I'm a person who will remove a rattle snake from my property without
harming it, because they control the rats, they have a place here, they
are native, plus they are just fun to catch unharmed

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.
And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?


NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and just not me, but the biologist feel the same way, the guys who
actually know, they don't let their beliefs get in the way of the facts.

In some places carp, are the only fish in the water, in many more areas
carp are over 80% of the fish Bio-mass. They had to displaced all the
native species, to get there.

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...


Non native fish, are the only ones we take out, those listed eat bass,
that improves the bass size and quality, taking out numbers that
actually need to be, to keep bass from over populating, and being
stunted, carp keep bass from spawning, eliminating them, carp also
disrupt the native food chain for bass, and other species

I hope I will at least make you thinking.


Yep, that I must now target more carp, because Stupid people like you
are C&R them, and teaching other to do it. I'm all for people catching
carp for fun,, JUST KILL THEM, there is absolutely no reason for C&R of
carp, their numbers are HUGE, and getting bigger. You release a 30 lb
female carp, and you just put half a million more carp in the water next
year. People like you, want us, to give up on all other fishing, just
like you have. It's not going to happen, without a fight.




--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com
 




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