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Fly Rod Advice
Fellow Fly Fishing Enthusiasts,
Looking to buy my first premium fly rod. I am contemplating the following rods: G. Loomis GLX 9' 6wt 4 piece (GLX scheduled to be replaced in 2004) Sage SLT 9' 6wt 5 piece Orvis T3 9' 6wt 4 piece Scott S3 9' 6wt 4 piece R.L. Winston XTR 9' 6wt 3 piece St. Croix Legend Elite 9' 6wt 5 piece I would greatly appreciate any insight and opinions you can provide to help me make my decision. Thanks in advance, Sheldon |
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Fly Rod Advice
Sheldon McElhiney wrote:
Fellow Fly Fishing Enthusiasts, Looking to buy my first premium fly rod. I am contemplating the following rods: G. Loomis GLX 9' 6wt 4 piece (GLX scheduled to be replaced in 2004) Sage SLT 9' 6wt 5 piece Orvis T3 9' 6wt 4 piece Scott S3 9' 6wt 4 piece R.L. Winston XTR 9' 6wt 3 piece St. Croix Legend Elite 9' 6wt 5 piece I would greatly appreciate any insight and opinions you can provide to help me make my decision. Thanks in advance, Sheldon The only advice that makes any sense is to cast all 6 yourself and decide which one YOU like best. Take 100 anglers, let them cast all 6 rods and 99 of them will like the Winston, but who knows, you could be that one in a hundred. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Fly Rod Advice
G. Loomis GLX 9' 6wt 4 piece (GLX scheduled to be replaced in 2004) Sage SLT 9' 6wt 5 piece Orvis T3 9' 6wt 4 piece Scott S3 9' 6wt 4 piece R.L. Winston XTR 9' 6wt 3 piece St. Croix Legend Elite 9' 6wt 5 piece Ken The only advice that makes any sense is to cast all 6 yourself Ken and decide which one YOU like best. Take 100 anglers, let them Ken cast all 6 rods and 99 of them will like the Winston, but who Ken knows, you could be that one in a hundred. ;-) As a related note, please observe that Winston will be introducing a new rod series in 2004. See http://www.winstonrods.com/forum/vie...um=5&Topic=236 for more information. And heck no, I have no relationship with the company whatsoever, except that I own one nice 2wt rod of theirs. :-) -- Jarmo Hurri Spam countermeasures included. Use as email address or apply rot13 to header email address. |
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Fly Rod Advice
From: "Sheldon McElhiney"
Looking to buy my first premium fly rod. I am contemplating the following rods: list snipped Any of these rods would would be a good choice. You need to cast all, (or as many as possible), to determine which you prefer. One suggestion...multi piece rods are all the rage these days, but if you don't do a lot of travelling or backpacking, consider a two piece....could save you a few bucks. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age." ---- J.W Muller |
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Sheldon,
I'd be happy with any of those regardless of my lack of casting style. Temple Fork rods are pretty excellent and cheap.... maybe you should consider one as a backup, but if you can try one you'll probably find they are similar to the faster Winstons (maybe that's an oxymoron). My next 5 weight will absolutely be Temple Fork. http://www.templeforkflyrods.com Of course I broke my TFO 3 weight Saturday..... and it's guaranteed! I really really like their rods. |
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Fly Rod Advice
Sheldon, Ken et al already gave you the best advice: YOU have to go try each rod. Just beware that some of these (at least the T3) are fast action rods, and you should probably overline it. Wrt multipiece (2) rods, then personally I prefer them even though I dont travel that much except by car. They are easier to put in the back of my car and store in a corner of my closet at home. And typically they come in a pretty sturdy tube instead of a sock. So they are less likely to et damaged. Sheldon McElhiney wrote: Fellow Fly Fishing Enthusiasts, Looking to buy my first premium fly rod. I am contemplating the following rods: G. Loomis GLX 9' 6wt 4 piece (GLX scheduled to be replaced in 2004) Sage SLT 9' 6wt 5 piece Orvis T3 9' 6wt 4 piece Scott S3 9' 6wt 4 piece R.L. Winston XTR 9' 6wt 3 piece St. Croix Legend Elite 9' 6wt 5 piece I would greatly appreciate any insight and opinions you can provide to help me make my decision. Thanks in advance, Sheldon -- Svend ************************************************** ***************** Svend Tang-Petersen, MSc Email: SGI Pager: 1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy Phone: (+1) 650 933 3618 Mountain View California 94043 USA ************************************************** ***************** |
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From: "Svend Tang-Petersen" wrote "beware that some of
these (at least the T3) are fast action rods, and you should probably overline it" Okay, someone needs to sell me on this concept. If a 4 weight rod is so "fast" that it really needs to be overlined, then shouldn't it be considered a 5 (or even 6) weight rod? I understand the concept of various rod actions and accept that a rod with a fast taper can provide faster line speeds and, hence, longer distances when casting. Further a "fast" rod will load better with more line out allowing one to aerialise a longer line - false casting 50' of line and shooting 10' to fish a drift 60' away makes perfect sense. A slow action rod will simply collapse under such circumstances and cause a loss of accuracy, etc.. Still, to be properly rated a rod should load and cast effectively with 30' of line of the appropriate weight in grains. But in my mind there is a limitation here. If you choose a fast rod for long distance or windy conditions then you will likely set it up as such. If you choose a fast rod, then overline it to get it to load and fish effectively at 30', haven't you in fact purchased a rod one size higher? Why a "fast" 4 overlined and not a "moderate action" five (think St. Croix Avid for my idea of a moderate action rod) if most fishing is going to be 40' and under (as an example)? And to that point, is there a significant difference in performance if you "underline" a moderate action rod with one line weight lighter. Since I have never actually done this my question is sincere. Anyone out there fish a four weight line on their five weight rods when they need a "faster" action for longer distance work? I know that fly rods will ALL cast a variety of line weights. I have used an 8wt. line on my 6wt. rod for up close and personal bass fishing under certain circumstances to great affect. The rod didn't seem to mind and it loaded like a dream at 20'. Made dropping deer hair bugs in pockets of weeds an easy chore (keeping in mind that on that particular trip I didn't - and couldn't- effectively fish more than 25' or so away because of dense cover). Looking forward to the responses. Joe C. |
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Well....you've already gotten some excellent advice; but I'll chip in anyway
G. Of the rods you've listed I've cast most of them--and can tell you *unequivically* that for MY casting stroke the Scott S3 blew them all away. Now--that doesn't mean *squat* for YOUR casting stroke; but what the hell....you asked. And, Forty, for the record--I'm the one in a hundred that think Winston's are maybe the prettiest rod out there--but the actions suck. G Dave M "Sheldon McElhiney" wrote in message ... Fellow Fly Fishing Enthusiasts, Looking to buy my first premium fly rod. I am contemplating the following rods: G. Loomis GLX 9' 6wt 4 piece (GLX scheduled to be replaced in 2004) Sage SLT 9' 6wt 5 piece Orvis T3 9' 6wt 4 piece Scott S3 9' 6wt 4 piece R.L. Winston XTR 9' 6wt 3 piece St. Croix Legend Elite 9' 6wt 5 piece I would greatly appreciate any insight and opinions you can provide to help me make my decision. Thanks in advance, Sheldon |
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Personally, I do not believe that a fast rod will give you more distance
than a rod with a slow action. I think that the key to making long casts is the timing on the back cast and, more importantly, the rod stop on the fore cast, not the rod's action. However, I do think that a fast rod lets you take more line off the water than a slower rod thereby allowing you to get your fly back to rising fish more quickly. I prefer a slow rod for most dry fly fishing as most of my casts with dries are 30' or less. I find that it is easier to load a slower rod and get a better presentation at this distance than a fast action. I find that, with a fast rod, I tend to pile drive the fly on to the water, or dump the cast all together at 30' and less. It seems to me that if you need to drive a fly into a strong wind or plop a big bug in from of a bass, use a bigger rod. A faster action may allow you to cheat in this regard a little, but not significantly. Again, I base this on my casting ability. In any event, I prefer rods with an even number of sections as I like to use soft rod bags that allow me to keep a rod strung with a fly at the end. Rods with an even number of sections fit these bags while 3 and 5 piece rods do not. As has been said, cast them all and buy the one you like the best. Chris Brown "Cornmuse" wrote in message ... From: "Svend Tang-Petersen" wrote "beware that some of these (at least the T3) are fast action rods, and you should probably overline it" Okay, someone needs to sell me on this concept. If a 4 weight rod is so "fast" that it really needs to be overlined, then shouldn't it be considered a 5 (or even 6) weight rod? I understand the concept of various rod actions and accept that a rod with a fast taper can provide faster line speeds and, hence, longer distances when casting. Further a "fast" rod will load better with more line out allowing one to aerialise a longer line - false casting 50' of line and shooting 10' to fish a drift 60' away makes perfect sense. A slow action rod will simply collapse under such circumstances and cause a loss of accuracy, etc.. Still, to be properly rated a rod should load and cast effectively with 30' of line of the appropriate weight in grains. But in my mind there is a limitation here. If you choose a fast rod for long distance or windy conditions then you will likely set it up as such. If you choose a fast rod, then overline it to get it to load and fish effectively at 30', haven't you in fact purchased a rod one size higher? Why a "fast" 4 overlined and not a "moderate action" five (think St. Croix Avid for my idea of a moderate action rod) if most fishing is going to be 40' and under (as an example)? And to that point, is there a significant difference in performance if you "underline" a moderate action rod with one line weight lighter. Since I have never actually done this my question is sincere. Anyone out there fish a four weight line on their five weight rods when they need a "faster" action for longer distance work? I know that fly rods will ALL cast a variety of line weights. I have used an 8wt. line on my 6wt. rod for up close and personal bass fishing under certain circumstances to great affect. The rod didn't seem to mind and it loaded like a dream at 20'. Made dropping deer hair bugs in pockets of weeds an easy chore (keeping in mind that on that particular trip I didn't - and couldn't- effectively fish more than 25' or so away because of dense cover). Looking forward to the responses. Joe C. |
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I love fast rods, and I can come up with a similar list of reasons why fast
rods are better...for me that is. I beleive tht most of reasons you gave are true... for you. That's the reason there are so many rod manufacturerers. However I would like to challenge your statement about fast rods not being good for distance casting. To me distance casting is 60 feet plus, and about the olny time you can do it is in a park or while sal****er fishing. The rest of the time there is just too much junk in the way. I believe that if you check out the competitive long distance casters, you will find that most use fast rods like the Sage RPLxi. If you check out what the rod manufacturer's sell you for sal****er fishing, you will find it is mostly fast. For years Winston tried to promote their slow rods as being good for distance casting, and they finally had to come out with the faster XTR in order to get any business. If you're going to go after bonefish or tarpon, you had better be prepared to cast distances up to 80' in some kind of wind. Few people try it with slow rods. Also, most can't cast 80' without a good backcast, and knowing how to load the rod "CB" wrote in message ... Personally, I do not believe that a fast rod will give you more distance than a rod with a slow action. I think that the key to making long casts is the timing on the back cast and, more importantly, the rod stop on the fore cast, not the rod's action. However, I do think that a fast rod lets you take more line off the water than a slower rod thereby allowing you to get your fly back to rising fish more quickly. I prefer a slow rod for most dry fly fishing as most of my casts with dries are 30' or less. I find that it is easier to load a slower rod and get a better presentation at this distance than a fast action. I find that, with a fast rod, I tend to pile drive the fly on to the water, or dump the cast all together at 30' and less. It seems to me that if you need to drive a fly into a strong wind or plop a big bug in from of a bass, use a bigger rod. A faster action may allow you to cheat in this regard a little, but not significantly. Again, I base this on my casting ability. In any event, I prefer rods with an even number of sections as I like to use soft rod bags that allow me to keep a rod strung with a fly at the end. Rods with an even number of sections fit these bags while 3 and 5 piece rods do not. As has been said, cast them all and buy the one you like the best. Chris Brown "Cornmuse" wrote in message ... From: "Svend Tang-Petersen" wrote "beware that some of these (at least the T3) are fast action rods, and you should probably overline it" Okay, someone needs to sell me on this concept. If a 4 weight rod is so "fast" that it really needs to be overlined, then shouldn't it be considered a 5 (or even 6) weight rod? I understand the concept of various rod actions and accept that a rod with a fast taper can provide faster line speeds and, hence, longer distances when casting. Further a "fast" rod will load better with more line out allowing one to aerialise a longer line - false casting 50' of line and shooting 10' to fish a drift 60' away makes perfect sense. A slow action rod will simply collapse under such circumstances and cause a loss of accuracy, etc.. Still, to be properly rated a rod should load and cast effectively with 30' of line of the appropriate weight in grains. But in my mind there is a limitation here. If you choose a fast rod for long distance or windy conditions then you will likely set it up as such. If you choose a fast rod, then overline it to get it to load and fish effectively at 30', haven't you in fact purchased a rod one size higher? Why a "fast" 4 overlined and not a "moderate action" five (think St. Croix Avid for my idea of a moderate action rod) if most fishing is going to be 40' and under (as an example)? And to that point, is there a significant difference in performance if you "underline" a moderate action rod with one line weight lighter. Since I have never actually done this my question is sincere. Anyone out there fish a four weight line on their five weight rods when they need a "faster" action for longer distance work? I know that fly rods will ALL cast a variety of line weights. I have used an 8wt. line on my 6wt. rod for up close and personal bass fishing under certain circumstances to great affect. The rod didn't seem to mind and it loaded like a dream at 20'. Made dropping deer hair bugs in pockets of weeds an easy chore (keeping in mind that on that particular trip I didn't - and couldn't- effectively fish more than 25' or so away because of dense cover). Looking forward to the responses. Joe C. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
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