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"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
om... What's more in a lot of parts of scotland fishing on a sunday is illegal. The scots are a god-fearing bunch. Sounds like what some of the religious fanatics here in the States want to do. Impose their self centered ideas on everyone's rights. Damn sure would be nice if they went fishing more often instead of sitting around complaining about the rest of us fishing!! |
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pmfpa wrote: That is very true. In the US, aside from many questions about stream access and trespassing, once you can get into the stream the state owns the fish and can give you a license to take them. Sounds like pinko liberal communism to me. My understanding is that in the UK, the land and the fish are private. Yessir. The Uk's a land of free enterprise and opportunity for all. At least the US appoints its head of state in the same way as the Brits do, and appoints the vastly wealthy son of a previous head of state, rather than the socialist notion of taking someone who's won the most votes at an election. Neither Charles nor George W may be very bright, but who cares? (And incidentally Charles, who as well as being Prince of Wales is also Duke of Cornwall, charges very reasonable rates for his Duchy of Cornwall waters, which include wonderful fishing on Dartmoor -- Hound of the Baskervilles territory. ) Lazarus -- Remover the rock from the email address |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 at 21:21:19 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly pmfpa wrote:
My understanding is that in the UK, the land and the fish are private. Not quite... It's complicated..! And the position is not the same throughout the UK (England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland). And the Republic of Ireland is completely different. In England and Wales the fishing rights in most waters are privately owned - usually as a result of a grant by the crown to some ******* who trampled over the land and subdued the natives almost a thousand years ago [1]. There are exceptions, such as some tidal waters, where there's a public right to fish. But normally the presumption is that the owner of the bank owns the fishing rights to the middle line. But fishing rights can be (and often are) separated from ownership of land. In many areas the fishing rights have been acquired by clubs for their members. Fishing is usually available in most areas for a modest fee, but it's necessary to make enquiries and get permission. It's not a good idea to fish without seeking permission. The fish themselves (in running water) belong to no-one. But it's an offence to fish in private waters. As noted below, everywhere you fish requires a permit. "Permit" is the word usually used to describe the permission obtained from the owner of the fishing rights. It's different from and additional to the "rod licence" which everyone has to obtain from the Environment Agency before fishing anywhere. While this may seem quite a hassle, there are many instances where you can buy a week long permit for a river of some size for not too much money. Yes. Seek and ye shall find. Google the area and ask in uk.rec.fishing.game The legal position in Scotland is explained at http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/?pageID=99 [1] The rights on my local river can be traced back to a grant by King John in 1203 to one of his Norman cronies. :-( -- Nogood Boyo |
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"Nogood Boyo" wrote in message
... (snip) In England and Wales the fishing rights in most waters are privately owned - usually as a result of a grant by the crown to some ******* who trampled over the land and subdued the natives almost a thousand years ago [1]. (snip) [1] The rights on my local river can be traced back to a grant by King John in 1203 to one of his Norman cronies. :-( Sounds to me like the British Empire needs to suffer defeat from another Revolution. One by it's own citizens!! |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Lazarus Cooke wrote:
And incidentally Charles, who as well as being Prince of Wales is also Duke of Cornwall, charges very reasonable rates for his Duchy of Cornwall waters, which include wonderful fishing on Dartmoor chuckle Mu |
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A good many salmon rivers here in Eastern Canada have privately owned
sections that were accorded to families when Canada was first colonized. -- http://www.bluezone.best.cd/ "Nogood Boyo" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 at 21:21:19 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly pmfpa wrote: My understanding is that in the UK, the land and the fish are private. Not quite... It's complicated..! And the position is not the same throughout the UK (England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland). And the Republic of Ireland is completely different. In England and Wales the fishing rights in most waters are privately owned - usually as a result of a grant by the crown to some ******* who trampled over the land and subdued the natives almost a thousand years ago [1]. There are exceptions, such as some tidal waters, where there's a public right to fish. But normally the presumption is that the owner of the bank owns the fishing rights to the middle line. But fishing rights can be (and often are) separated from ownership of land. In many areas the fishing rights have been acquired by clubs for their members. Fishing is usually available in most areas for a modest fee, but it's necessary to make enquiries and get permission. It's not a good idea to fish without seeking permission. The fish themselves (in running water) belong to no-one. But it's an offence to fish in private waters. As noted below, everywhere you fish requires a permit. "Permit" is the word usually used to describe the permission obtained from the owner of the fishing rights. It's different from and additional to the "rod licence" which everyone has to obtain from the Environment Agency before fishing anywhere. While this may seem quite a hassle, there are many instances where you can buy a week long permit for a river of some size for not too much money. Yes. Seek and ye shall find. Google the area and ask in uk.rec.fishing.game The legal position in Scotland is explained at http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/?pageID=99 [1] The rights on my local river can be traced back to a grant by King John in 1203 to one of his Norman cronies. :-( -- Nogood Boyo |
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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
... A friend of mine owns a house on the Spey, but she does not have the right to fish it: someone else owns the fishing rights. I do believe that I would have to get to know my neighbors real good. Or is this "someone else" some sort of "Duke of Something" with a rod up his ass? |
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Hooked wrote:
"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... A friend of mine owns a house on the Spey, but she does not have the right to fish it: someone else owns the fishing rights. I do believe that I would have to get to know my neighbors real good. Or is this "someone else" some sort of "Duke of Something" with a rod up his ass? I think she probably has the right to fish it for trout if she owns the land down to the bank as it is only the salmon/seatrout fishing that can be sold seperately from the land. -- Don`t Worry, Be Happy Sandy -- E-Mail:- Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk IRC:- Sandyb in #rabble uk3.arcnet.vapor.com Port:6667 #Rabble Channel Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/rabbled ICQ : 41266150 |
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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... Many of the waters in the US will eventually be controlled in a similar manner, tho I would guess there will also be a lot of access by lottery. Maybe. Fly fishing has steadily gained in popularity for the last twenty years and the trend certainly could continue, but there is no reason to suppose that it is necessarily so. Consider, for example, the likelihood that the average age of fly fishers is probably higher than that for many other outdoor activities. I mean, let's face it, this isn't going to make anyone's list of x-games. It's not unreasonable to posit that there are a lot more fly fishers today largely because there are a lot of baby boomers getting to the age at which waving a stick in the air seems a lot more appealing that launching themselves through it by one means or another. Eventually (and not all that long from now), we're going to begin pushing up daisies at a higher rate than we are currently trampling them on route to a favorite fishing hole, and there is no guarantee that new recruits will arrive fast enough to make up for attrition. Then too, fly fishing as it is practiced in the U.S. today depends pretty heavily on a general level of affluence that we have come to take for granted for a couple of generations but which recent evidence suggests may not continue indefinitely. Wolfgang |
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Wolfgang wrote:
"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... Many of the waters in the US will eventually be controlled in a similar manner, tho I would guess there will also be a lot of access by lottery. Maybe. Fly fishing has steadily gained in popularity for the last twenty years and the trend certainly could continue, but there is no reason to suppose that it is necessarily so. There is some evidence the trend has already reversed itself: http://tinyurl.com/2reol Consider, for example, the likelihood that the average age of fly fishers is probably higher than that for many other outdoor activities. I believe there are statistics to this effect, but haven't got the time to do a search. ...... It's not unreasonable to posit that there are a lot more fly fishers today largely because there are a lot of baby boomers getting to the age at which waving a stick in the air seems a lot more appealing that launching themselves through it by one means or another. And will be getting to an age at which strolling on the local golf course may seem more appealing than searching for, catching and releasing the 10,000th trout. JR |
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