Tuna salad anyone? Death of a Tuna and Deathof a Whale

In article , Rodney Long wrote:
pearl wrote:
:-)



We assessed the effect of a diet high in leafy and green vegetables,
fruit, and nuts on serum lipid risk factors for cardiovascular disease.
Ten healthy volunteers (seven men and three women aged 33 +/- 4
years

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Some study

7 men and 3 women

ROTFLMAO

You imagine that they were all exceptions to the rule somehow?

The jokes on you, clown.



Ok I eat meat, LOTS of meat, my cholesterol level is under 100, been
there forever.

What's your level ?

My 80 year old Dad was taken off of meat three years ago, trying to
lower his cholesterol, they also added walking, and a bunch of other
things, for him to change, his levels dropped from 310 to 270, they then
put him on drugs to lower it, it dropped to 250, still too damn high
according to your researchers

My wife works with a person who eats like you do, ZERO MEAT, been doing
it for 20 years, their cholesterol level is 290

Why is their level not lower than mine ?????????????????????

Where the hell is their cholesterol coming from ?????????

Are me, my dad, and this person exceptions to the rule ??????????????????

Show me a study where low levels of cholesterol have extended life, even
1 single day over those who have high levels. If they don't die from
heart disease, they may die from cancer, or diabetes, but they still die.

I say we need to outlaw process sugar, and flower, now those are the
killers of man, so is margarine, and shortening ) all made from your
"holy" vege's, How about French fries.

I have fairly low cholesterol. My dad had high cholestrol. Cholestrol is also
increased by improper heart function, arrhythmias. Heridity is the major cause of
vast level changes, but in my case I guess my mother offset that. Its
got to be said somewhere that high LDL increases chances for heart attact.
Atkins diest high meat can reduce the bad cholestrol. Many vegatables
act creating the chance of blod clots. Hoe about carrots. You better NOT eat
carrots and green leafy vegetables. For me a blanced protien, carb, fat, diet is
the best way to go, including excercise. For those with high LDL, I would want
to be on drugs. Diet has a minimum effect on changing levels.
My dad even though on cholestrol medication and blood thinners, still
had heart failure and total blockage of the lower extremidies.

Rodney Long wrote:

Why are you not condemning, them along with meat ?
Because you don't want man to utilize animals, your looking for anything
to help further your cause,

YOU COULD CARE LESS, ABOUT THE HEALTH OF MANKIND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW,,,, ADMIT THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That ended this cholesterol "crap", and if it didn't, I am well armed ,
Obesity is the number one cause of heart disease, diabetes, and many
cancers. Plants, and the way they are processed into food that people
eat "CAUSE obesity", many plants increase cholesterol levels in humans,
because humans "produce" cholesterol from "plant products they eat",
even if they eat "ZERO" animal fat.

Hydrogenated fats (made from plants) are the most dangerous fat people
can eat.

There are thousands of research studies on these facts, and they are
accepted by 99% of the doctors.

H'mmmm maybe we need to eat nothing but meat, like the "old" Eskimo
diet, they sure didn't have the diet related medical problems people
have today

Whale blubber, anyone ? :-)

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:31:35 -0600, Rodney Long wrote:

ya know_
Even a freaking moron would know that it is hopeless to engage in any
discussions with ****ing assholes like these peta scum_ Just put a ****ing
bullet in their heads and move on to the next one. Hey Rodney why don't you
freaking wise up and stop answering these assholes_ you are an ignorant **** for
getting sucked into this bull**** to begin with. Now please shut the **** up and
stop spewing this crap all over a dozen newsgroups.

"GregS" wrote in message ...
In article , Rodney Long wrote:
pearl wrote:
:-)



We assessed the effect of a diet high in leafy and green vegetables,
fruit, and nuts on serum lipid risk factors for cardiovascular disease.
Ten healthy volunteers (seven men and three women aged 33 +/- 4
years

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Some study

7 men and 3 women

ROTFLMAO

You imagine that they were all exceptions to the rule somehow?

The joke's on you, clown.



Ok I eat meat, LOTS of meat, my cholesterol level is under 100, been
there forever.

What's your level ?

My 80 year old Dad was taken off of meat three years ago, trying to
lower his cholesterol, they also added walking, and a bunch of other
things, for him to change, his levels dropped from 310 to 270, they then
put him on drugs to lower it, it dropped to 250, still too damn high
according to your researchers

My wife works with a person who eats like you do, ZERO MEAT, been doing
it for 20 years, their cholesterol level is 290

Why is their level not lower than mine ?????????????????????

Where the hell is their cholesterol coming from ?????????

Are me, my dad, and this person exceptions to the rule ??????????????????

Anecdotes are not *evidence*.

Show me a study where low levels of cholesterol have extended life, even
1 single day over those who have high levels.

Done. Read what you've snipped. Yes... *all* of it, from the beginning!

If they don't die from
heart disease, they may die from cancer, or diabetes, but they still die.

I say we need to outlaw process sugar, and flower, now those are the
killers of man, so is margarine, and shortening ) all made from your
"holy" vege's, How about French fries.

I have fairly low cholesterol. My dad had high cholestrol. Cholestrol is also
increased by improper heart function, arrhythmias. Heridity is the major cause of
vast level changes, but in my case I guess my mother offset that. Its
got to be said somewhere that high LDL increases chances for heart attact.
Atkins diest high meat can reduce the bad cholestrol. Many vegatables
act creating the chance of blod clots. Hoe about carrots. You better NOT eat
carrots and green leafy vegetables. For me a blanced protien, carb, fat, diet is
the best way to go, including excercise. For those with high LDL, I would want
to be on drugs. Diet has a minimum effect on changing levels.
My dad even though on cholestrol medication and blood thinners, still
had heart failure and total blockage of the lower extremidies.

'Atkins Distorted His Record on Cholesterol

Although ketogenic diets have caused a number of "serious
potentially-life-threatening complications,"[317] perhaps the
greatest danger of the Atkins Diet, according to the American
Medical Association, lies in the heart.

Atkins claimed a worsening of cholesterol levels typically only
occurs "when carbohydrates are a large part of the diet."[318]
We've known this to be false since 1929 when the Institute of
American Meatpackers paid to see what would happen if people
lived on an all-meat diet. The blood plasma of the unfortunate
subjects was so filled with fat it "showed a milkiness" and one
of the subjects' cholesterol shot up to 800![319]

In the head-to-head comparisons of the four popular weight-loss
diets, Ornish's vegetarian diet was the only one that showed a
significant decrease in LDL levels--the so-called "bad" cholesterol.
Even researchers paid by Atkins concede that high saturated fat
diets like Atkins' tend to increase LDL cholesterol.[321] These
researchers have to concede the truth since they publish their
work in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Dr. Atkins, though, died
without ever publishing a single paper in any scientific journal about
anything, and thus had more freedom to bend the truth.

"The truth," Atkins wrote, "is that every one of a score of studies
on [very low carb diets] showed a significant improvement in
cholesterol." He accused those who say otherwise of simply not
doing their homework. Any claim that cholesterol doesn't
significantly improve in "every one of scores of studies" is, he
wrote in the last edition, "one of the many examples of untruths
being perpetrated because the accusers don't bother to read the
scientific literature."[322] He then goes on to recommend no
less than 17 supplements for the "prevention of cholesterol
elevations" on his diet.[323]

But what about his claim that "every one of a score of studies
showed a significant improvement in cholesterol." When the
AMA and the American Heart Association question this "fact,"
is it just because they "don't bother to read the scientific
literature?" That statement of his, in the latest edition of his
book and in essence repeated to this day on the Atkins website,
[537], presents a clear opportunity to test the veracity of his claims.
And the actual truth is almost the exact opposite.

Unfortunately, Dr. Atkins didn't include citations to back up his
"score of studies" statement. In fact, when pressed for a list of
citations in general, Dr. Atkins told an interviewer that "It and the
papers I quoted were in a briefcase I lost some time ago."[324]
Researchers have located about a dozen studies, though, that
measured the effects of low carb diets on cholesterol levels. Did
they all "show a significant improvement in cholesterol?" No. In
fact, with only one exception, every single controlled study
showed just the opposite--LDL cholesterol either stagnated or
was elevated by a low carb diet, even in those that showed
weight loss.[325-338]

During active weight loss--any kind of weight loss (whether
from chemotherapy, cocaine use, tuberculosis or the Atkins
Diet)--cholesterol synthesis temporarily decreases[339] and
LDL cholesterol levels should go down.[340] Yet, all the
saturated animal fat in the Atkins Diet tends to instead push
levels up, and in most studies the bad cholesterol doesn't fall
as it should with weight loss. The saturated fat in effect
cancelled the benefit one would expect while losing weight
and cutting out trans fats.[522] And what happens when
people on the Atkins Diet stop losing weight? People can't
lose weight forever (Stephen King novels aside). The fear is
that their LDL cholesterol level might then shoot through the
roof.[341-342]

"There is no doubt that you lose weight initially," Dr Jim
Mann, an endocrinology specialist from the University of
Otago, New Zealand, told the 2003 meeting of the European
Society of Cardiology, "but there is a grave risk of a dramatic
rise in cholesterol levels during the maintenance phase [of the
Atkins Diet]. "When weight loss is maintained--or as often
happens, there is weight gain [on the Atkins Diet]," Mann
continued, "we have observed that a lot of people experience
a rise in cholesterol to levels greater than when they started
the diet."[1159]

Sometimes even during the active weight loss, however, LDL
cholesterol levels became elevated on the Atkins Diet. One
study of women, for example, showed that just two weeks on
the Atkins Diet significantly elevated average LDL levels over
15%.[343] In a trial of men on the Atkins Diet, even though
they lost an average of 17 pounds after 3 months, their LDL
cholesterol jumped almost 20%.

The May 2004 Annals of Internal Medicine study showed that
a third of Atkins dieters suffered a significant increase in LDL
cholesterol. The goal is to have a double digit LDL--an LDL
under 100 (mg/dl).[344] In the study, one person's LDL shot
from an unhealthy 184 to a positively frightening 283 (which
means their total cholesterol was probably somewhere over 350).
[345] With so many people on these diets, that could mean
Atkins is endangering the health of millions of Americans.[346]
LDL cholesterol is, after all, the single most important diet
related risk factor for heart disease,[527] the number one killer
in the United States for both men and women.[347]

In another clinical trial, despite statistically significant weight loss
reported in the Atkins group, every single cardiac risk factor
measured had worsened after a year on the Atkins Diet. The
investigator concludes "Those following high fat [Atkins[526]]
diets may have lost weight, but at the price of increased
cardiovascular risk factors, including increased LDL cholesterol,
increased triglycerides, increased total cholesterol, decreased
HDL cholesterol, increased total/HDL cholesterol ratios, and
increased homocysteine, Lp(a), and fibrinogen levels. These
increased risk factors not only increase the risk of heart disease,
but also the risk of strokes, peripheral vascular disease, and
blood clots."[523]

While the LDL in the Atkins group increased 6%, the LDL
cholesterol levels in the whole-foods vegetarian group was
cut in half--dropping 52%.[523] This kind of drop would
theoretically make your average American[528] almost
heart-attack proof.[529]

When the pro-Atkins journalist who wrote the misleading
New York Times Magazine piece was confronted as to why
he didn't include the results of this landmark study, which
directly contradicted what he wrote in the article, all he could
do was to accuse the researchers of just making the data up.
[348]

It's interesting to note that the one exception --a published
study of the Atkins Diet showing a statistically significant
reduction in LDL--had no control group, put subjects on
cholesterol-lowering supplements and was funded by the
Atkins Corporation itself. Even in that study though, the
drop was modest--only a 7% drop (compared, for example,
to the 52% drop on the vegetarian diet)--and didn't include
two subjects who quit because their cholesterol levels went
out of control.[349]

Yet studies like this have been heralded as a vindication of
the Atkins Diet by the mainstream media.[350] As journalist
Michael Fumento, co-author of Fat of the Land, pointed out,
"How peculiar when the most you can say for the best-selling
fad-diet book of all time is that it probably doesn't kill people."
[351] To which I might add, "in the short-term." Based on an
analysis of the Atkins Diet, long-term use of the Atkins Diet
is expected to raise coronary heart disease risk by over 50%.
[352] "The late Dr. A," Fumento quips, "still gets an F."[353]

Less often reported in the media is the fact that one of the
research subjects placed on the Atkins Diet in the 2003
"vindication" study was hospitalized with chest pain and
another died.[354] Similarly, in the widely publicized
May 2004 study, less widely publicized was the fact that two
people in the low carb-diet arm of the study couldn't
complete the study because they died. One slipped into a
coma; the other dropped dead from heart disease.[355] As
the Director of Nutrition at the Harvard School of Medicine
has written, "there is still much danger in the widespread fad
enthusiasm for these diets."[356]

The Atkins Corporation boasts about the supposed ability
of the Atkins Diet to significantly raise the level of HDL, or
"good" cholesterol on a consistent basis.[357] HDL
transports cholesterol out of one's arteries to the liver for
disposal or recycling. Though it is actually only a minority
of controlled studies on Atkins-like diets that have shown
such an effect,[358-371] it is important to note that the type
of HDL increase sometimes seen on these diets is not
necessarily healthful.[372] When one eats more garbage
(saturated fat and cholesterol) one may need more metabolic
garbage trucks (like HDL) to get rid of it. Eating a stick of
butter may raise one's HDL, but that doesn't mean chewing
one down is good for one's heart. In any case, significantly
lowering one's LDL seems more important than significantly
raising one's HDL,[373] though the studies done on low carb
diets typically show neither.

Because of these "well-known hazards," when Atkins' book
was originally published the Chair of the Nutrition Department
at Harvard warned physicians that recommending the Atkins
Diet "borders on malpractice."[374]

http://www.atkinsexposed.org/atkins/...ethod=allWords

"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
Rodney Long wrote:

Why are you not condemning, them along with meat ?
Because you don't want man to utilize animals, your looking for anything
to help further your cause,

YOU COULD CARE LESS, ABOUT THE HEALTH OF MANKIND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW,,,, ADMIT THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are the one promoting an unhealthy diet, not me.

'Am J Clin Nutr 1999 Sep;70(3 Suppl):532S-538S
Associations between diet and cancer, ischemic heart disease,
and all-cause mortality in non-Hispanic white California
Seventh-day Adventists.
Fraser GE. Center for Health Research and the Department of
Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Loma Linda University, CA USA.

Results associating diet with chronic disease in a cohort of 34192
California Seventh-day Adventists are summarized. Most Seventh-day
Adventists do not smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol, and there is a wide
range of dietary exposures within the population. About 50% of those
studied ate meat products 1 time/wk or not at all, and vegetarians
consumed more tomatoes, legumes, nuts, and fruit, but less coffee,
doughnuts, and eggs than did nonvegetarians. Multivariate analyses
showed significant associations between beef consumption and fatal
ischemic heart disease (IHD) in men [relative risk (RR) = 2.31 for
subjects who ate beef or =3 times/wk compared with vegetarians],
significant protective associations between nut consumption and fatal
and nonfatal IHD in both sexes (RR approximately 0.5 for subjects
who ate nuts or =5 times/wk compared with those who ate nuts
1 time/wk), and reduced risk of IHD in subjects preferring whole-grain
to white bread. The lifetime risk of IHD was reduced by approximately
31% in those who consumed nuts frequently and by 37% in male
vegetarians compared with nonvegetarians. Cancers of the colon and
prostate were significantly more likely in nonvegetarians (RR of 1.88
and 1.54, respectively), and frequent beef consumers also had higher
risk of bladder cancer. Intake of legumes was negatively associated
with risk of colon cancer in nonvegetarians and risk of pancreatic
cancer. Higher consumption of all fruit or dried fruit was associated
with lower risks of lung, prostate, and pancreatic cancers.
Cross-sectional data suggest vegetarian Seventh-day Adventists have
lower risks of diabetes mellitus, hypertension, and arthritis than
nonvegetarians. Thus, among Seventh-day Adventists, vegetarians are
healthier than nonvegetarians but this cannot be ascribed only to the
absence of meat. - PMID: 10479227'

That ended this cholesterol "crap", and if it didn't, I am well armed ,
Obesity is the number one cause of heart disease, diabetes, and many
cancers.

'New Scientific Review Shows Vegetarian Diets Cause
Major Weight Loss Without Exercise or Calorie Counting
31-03-2006 05:01
WASHINGTON, March 31 /PRNewswire/ --

- Controlled Research Trials Prove Diet's Efficacy

A scientific review in April's Nutrition Reviews shows that a
vegetarian diet is highly effective for weight loss. Vegetarian
populations tend to be slimmer than meat-eaters, and they
experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood
pressure, and other life-threatening conditions linked to
overweight and obesity. The new review, compiling data from
87 previous studies, shows the weight-loss effect does not
depend on exercise or calorie-counting, and it occurs at a
rate of approximately 1 pound per week.

Rates of obesity in the general population are skyrocketing,
while in vegetarians, obesity prevalence ranges from 0 percent
to 6 percent, note study authors Susan E. Berkow, Ph.D.,
C.N.S., and Neal D. Barnard, M.D., of the Physicians
Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM).

The authors found that the body weight of both male and
female vegetarians is, on average, 3 percent to 20 percent
lower than that of meat-eaters. Vegetarian and vegan diets
have also been put to the test in clinical studies, as the
review notes. The best of these clinical studies isolated the
effects of diet by keeping exercise constant. The researchers
found that a low-fat vegan diet leads to weight loss of about
1 pound per week, even without additional exercise or limits
on portion sizes, calories, or carbohydrates.

"Our research reveals that people can enjoy unlimited
portions of high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables, and
whole grains to achieve or maintain a healthy body weight
without feeling hungry," says Dr. Berkow, the lead author.

"There is evidence that a vegan diet causes an increased
calorie burn after meals, meaning plant-based foods are
being used more efficiently as fuel for the body, as
opposed to being stored as fat," says Dr. Barnard. Insulin
sensitivity is increased by a vegan diet, allowing nutrients
to more rapidly enter the cells of the body to be converted
to heat rather than to fat.

Earlier this month, a team of researchers led by Tim Key
of Oxford University found that meat-eaters who switched
to a plant-based diet gained less weight over a period of
five years. Papers reviewed by Drs. Berkow and Barnard
include several published by Dr. Key and his colleagues,
as well as a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish
women showing that meat-eaters are more likely to be
overweight than vegetarians and vegans.
...
http://media.netpr.pl/notatka_54444.html

Plants, and the way they are processed into food that people
eat "CAUSE obesity", many plants increase cholesterol levels in humans,
because humans "produce" cholesterol from "plant products they eat",
even if they eat "ZERO" animal fat.

Nonsense.

Hydrogenated fats (made from plants) are the most dangerous fat people
can eat.

'Scientific evidence shows that consumption of saturated fat,
trans fat, and dietary cholesterol raises low-density lipoprotein
(LDL), or "bad cholesterol," levels, which increases the risk
of coronary heart disease (CHD). According to the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute of the National Institutes of
Health, more than 12.5 million Americans have CHD, and
more than 500,000 die each year. That makes CHD one of
the leading causes of death in the United States.
...
Trans fat, like saturated fat and dietary cholesterol, raises the
LDL cholesterol that increases your risk for CHD. Americans
consume on average 4 to 5 times as much saturated fat as
trans fat in their diets.

Although saturated fat is the main dietary culprit that raises LDL,
trans fat and dietary cholesterol also contribute significantly.
....'
http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2003/503_fats.html

'January 27, 2005
Scientists discover molecular "switch" in liver that triggers
harmful effects of saturated and trans fats
......'
http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/abo/news...2005-01-27.asp

There are thousands of research studies on these facts, and they are
accepted by 99% of the doctors.

But not by you. lol.

H'mmmm maybe we need to eat nothing but meat, like the "old" Eskimo
diet, they sure didn't have the diet related medical problems people
have today

"Really now. Virtually every credible account you will ever read
that describes the Eskimo way of life will describe them eating
vegetable matter and great efforts they go to in collecting it
during the months when it is available.

(Plants) made up a *significant* portion of the diet in all Arctic
and sub-Arctic regions. Specifically they made up a significant
portion of Eskimo diets. There is one small area in central
Canada where that was less true than in all other areas, and the
main point to consider is that even in that area Eskimos did eat
vegetable matter on a regular basis.

You've never seen berries preserved in seal oil, or dried leaves
to make tea, or eaten soup made from a mouse nest, or picked
rose hips in the winter, or seen willows on the tundra, or eaten
salmon berries with Pilot Bread?"
- Written by Floyd L. Davidson, Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska).

Whale blubber, anyone ? :-)

That would certainly explain a lot.

'Pibloktoq (hysteria) and Inuit nutrition: possible implication
of hypervitaminosis A.
Landy D.
The hysterical reaction among Eskimo peoples known
as pibloktoq, one of a group of aberrant behaviors
occurring among Arctic and Circumarctic societies termed
'arctic hysterias', has been explained by a variety of theories:
ecological, nutritional, biological-physiological, psychological-
psychoanalytic, social structural and cultural. This study
hypothesizes the possible implication of vitamin intoxication,
namely, hypervitaminosis A, in the etiology of some cases of
pibloktoq. Its biocultural approach implicates elements of
several explanatory classes, which are not mutually exclusive.
Experimental and clinical studies of nonhumans and humans
reveal somatic and behavioral effects of hypervitaminosis A
which closely parallel many of the symptoms reported for
Western patients diagnosed as hysterical and Inuit sufferers
of pibloktoq. Eskimo nutrition provides abundant sources of
vitamin A and lays the probable basis in some individuals for
hypervitaminosis A through ingestion of livers, kidneys, and
fat of arctic fish and mammals, where the vitamin often is
stored in poisonous quantities. Possible connections between
pibloktoq and hypervitamonosis A are explored. A
multifactorial framework may yield a more compelling model
of some cases of pibloktoq than those that are mainly unicausal,
since, among other things, the disturbance has been reported
for males and females, adults and children, and dogs.

PMID: 4049004 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/5qw7

"Rodney Long" wrote in message:

You can't reason with a vegetarian, they have lost the protein in their
diet, that allows their brains to function properly. Prime example, they
complain about people killing animals, yet they can no longer, see animals
killing animals, animals even torturing other animals.... (etc., from
earlier message)

and (to pearl);

You have convinced no one on these fishing groups, not a single person, I
have convinced no one on your nut case groups, because you can't reason
with those who's brains fail to function properly due to the lack on
animal protein in their diets, they suffer from a chemical imbalance and
the Prozac, Zanax, and other drugs "all" of you take, can't cure that.
-------------------------------------

But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians? Unlike the vegans, they do get
animal protein in their diets. So according to what you say their brains
will not fail to function properly and will not have this "chemical
imbalance" from lack of animal protein in their diets, since they do eat
dairy products and eggs, both good sources of animal proteins - yet these
people still refuse to eat meat. How could that possibly be, if what you
say is correct?

-dr

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of
life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Albert
Einstein
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/38115.html

"dangrang" wrote

But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians?

They aren't vegetarians, except according to a sloppy, self-serving
misnomer.

"Dutch" wrote in message
...
"dangrang" wrote

But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians?

They aren't vegetarians, except according to a sloppy, self-serving
misnomer.
----------------------------

For Dutch's sake, my original message (to Rodney) is restated below....

---------------

"Rodney Long" wrote in message:

You can't reason with a vegetarian, they have lost the protein in their
diet, that allows their brains to function properly. Prime example, they
complain about people killing animals, yet they can no longer, see animals
killing animals, animals even torturing other animals.... (etc., from
earlier message)

and (to pearl);

You have convinced no one on these fishing groups, not a single person, I
have convinced no one on your nut case groups, because you can't reason
with those who's brains fail to function properly due to the lack on
animal protein in their diets, they suffer from a chemical imbalance and
the Prozac, Zanax, and other drugs "all" of you take, can't cure that.
-------------------------------------

But what about those who follow a meatless diet, yet still consume dairy
products and eggs? Unlike the vegans, they do get animal protein in their
diets. So according to what you say their brains will not fail to function
properly and will not have this "chemical imbalance" from lack of animal
protein in their diets, since they do eat dairy products and eggs, both good
sources of animal proteins - yet these people still refuse to eat meat. How
could that possibly be, if what you say is correct?

-dr

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of
life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Albert
Einstein
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/38115.html

dangrang wrote:


But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians? Unlike the vegans, they do get
animal protein in their diets. So according to what you say their brains
will not fail to function properly and will not have this "chemical
imbalance" from lack of animal protein in their diets, since they do eat
dairy products and eggs, both good sources of animal proteins - yet these
people still refuse to eat meat. How could that possibly be, if what you
say is correct?

Lacking animal fat, in your diet, is not the only reason for mental
illness, yet it is a major cause of it, among those who don't eat meat

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
dangrang wrote:


But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians? Unlike the vegans, they do get
animal protein in their diets. So according to what you say their brains
will not fail to function properly and will not have this "chemical
imbalance" from lack of animal protein in their diets, since they do eat
dairy products and eggs, both good sources of animal proteins - yet these
people still refuse to eat meat. How could that possibly be, if what you
say is correct?

Lacking animal fat, in your diet, is not the only reason for mental
illness, yet it is a major cause of it, among those who don't eat meat

How many times a week do you recommend that people eat an average
portion of meat (animal protein and fat), in order to enjoy maximum
benefit to brain function and mental health, and avoid mental illness?