Watusi Worms

That would get you a citation in Oregon. Here's the definition from the
ODFG regulations.

"Artifactual Fly: A fly is a hook, dressed with conventional fly tying
materials. The affixed material many be natural or synthetic. Tied in
conjunction with other materials, the following items may be part of the
fly: wire (lead other metal) used for weighing the fly, dumbbell eyes or
beads (metal, glass or plastic). A fly is not a hook to which sinkers.,
molded weights, spinners, spoons of similar attractors are attached."
I have heard of people being busted for using MR Twisters in the Norht
Umpqua.



"Salmo Bytes" wrote in message
om...
No photos yet.
Photos will happen this comming weekend, or soon
thereafter.

And this is a *troll* question, of sorts.
But I am curious about the answers.

What I'm about to describe will generate
(at least a few) "this isn't fly fishing"
comments which, in fact, may well be true.
But if the following isn't fly fishing,
what is it? That's the question.

=====Watusi Worms=======
CA glue (aka super glue) doesn't adhere
well to most plastics. The key word here
is most. CA glue does adhere very well to
the soft flexible plastic rubber worms
and Mr Twister tails are made from. CA
glue also adheres well to any hard plastic
that has been scored (scratched) with sandy paper.
So here's the deal:

Buy a bag of Mr Twister Tails or Berkeley Power Baits.
Use a razor blade to slice the front end off
the twister body, at a flat downward slant,
approximately 30-40 degrees off horizontal.

Cut a square of clear mylar sheeting. Scuff it
up with sandpaper. Glue the Twister tail to
the flat mylar with ZapAGap.

Flatten a non-lead split shot with pliers.
Glue it to the flat mylar, just below
the worm body. Use a dremel tool and a 1/32"
drill bit to bore a hole in the middle of
the flattened split shot.

Use scissors to trim the mylar to the shape
of a crankbait diving bill.

Thread leader through the whole in the bill.
Snell the leader to a straight eye grasshopper hook.
Put a small barrel swivel at the other end of
the tippet. Tie the barrel to your leader.

Now you have a soft plasctic Mr Twister tail
that is no heavier than a lead wrapped #4
Woolly Bugger. So you can cast it with a fly rod.
When you retrieve it, it dives and wiggles
frantically. This fly or lure--whatever it is--
is way too light to cast with a spinning rod.
In fact, in the spin fishing context, it's almost
worthless, because it is too light.

So what is it?
Should it be banned at "fly fishing only" sites.
If so, what's the definition of fly fishing,
so the authorities can enforce the rules?

B J Conner wrote:

That would get you a citation in Oregon. Here's the definition from the
ODFG regulations.

"Artifactual Fly: A fly is a hook, dressed with conventional fly tying
materials. The affixed material many be natural or synthetic. Tied in
conjunction with other materials, the following items may be part of the
fly: wire (lead other metal) used for weighing the fly, dumbbell eyes or
beads (metal, glass or plastic). A fly is not a hook to which sinkers.,
molded weights, spinners, spoons of similar attractors are attached."
I have heard of people being busted for using MR Twisters in the Norht
Umpqua.

And yet on the N. Umpqua "fly only" water, you can fish your fly under a
bubble, using spinning gear. What a world!

JR

(Salmo Bytes) wrote in message . com...
No photos yet.
Photos will happen this comming weekend, or soon
thereafter.

And this is a *troll* question, of sorts.
But I am curious about the answers.

What I'm about to describe will generate
(at least a few) "this isn't fly fishing"
comments which, in fact, may well be true.
But if the following isn't fly fishing,
what is it? That's the question.

http://montana-riverboats.com/static...usi_Worms.html

Well I got a lot of interesting answers.
My personal view is that it's almost impossible and silly anway--to
try to write any rigidly defined, pigeon hole definition of a fly.
Synthetic
materials and the growning influence of sal****er fly fishing will
continue
to blur the lines between fly and lure.

But this thread did remind me that local conditions vary, and
regulations
should be decided by the folks who fish there. I wouldn't want to be
the one
to tell the North Umpqua community, for instance, that they had to let
the
seething masses of spin fishermen up above the Glide narrows.

I'll fish my fly rod lures where they are legal, and keep my mouth
shut where they aren't.

I haven't fished in Maine for about 20 years, but back then you were not
allowed to "troll", as you state, but you also could not have any weight
whatsoever associated with the fly or line. That meant, no split shot and
absolutely no weighted flies. Sinking lines were allowed, however. When I
went to Grants Camps and wanted to fish the lake with a streamer or nymph, I
had to use a sinking line and wait a loooooong time before I began a
retrieve. Caught some nice brookies that way, though. I preferred fishing
for landlocks in the river though.

Gene

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:53:04 GMT, "Hooked" wrote:

"Stan Gula" wrote in message
.. .


snip We were flyfishing on a 'flyfishing-only' lake, and some
local people thought fishing from a float tube was trolling (which is
outside the definition) because we weren't anchored. We *were*
'casting
and
retrieving in the usual manner' which is how flyfishing is defined.



I have done that many times while just drifting along. Even right in
front
of the game warden here in WI, and nothing was said because I was casting
and immediately retrieving. Which is how this law is defined here in the
Badger State.

In Maine the *convention* is you have to pull up and recast before your
boat
has traveled three lengths of itsownself. I've never looked for an actual
regulation covering this, however, but the folks at Kenebago Lake have a
real
nice telescope to make sure the patrons don't violate the convention...

/daytripper

"Gene Cottrell" wrote in message
...
I haven't fished in Maine for about 20 years, but back then you were not
allowed to "troll", as you state, but you also could not have any weight
whatsoever associated with the fly or line. That meant, no split shot and
absolutely no weighted flies. Sinking lines were allowed, however. When I
went to Grants Camps and wanted to fish the lake with a streamer or nymph,
I
had to use a sinking line and wait a loooooong time before I began a
retrieve. Caught some nice brookies that way, though. I preferred fishing
for landlocks in the river though.



Weren't the Rangeley (i.e. Carrie Stevens streamer patterns) style flies
designed in Maine for use in trolling for landlocked salmon?

Hooked wrote:
stuff about Maine flyfishing regs snipped

Weren't the Rangeley (i.e. Carrie Stevens streamer patterns) style flies
designed in Maine for use in trolling for landlocked salmon?


Yes, but they were also used for casting. Regulations vary from lake to
lake.

"Stan Gula" wrote in message
...

Weren't the Rangeley (i.e. Carrie Stevens streamer patterns) style flies
designed in Maine for use in trolling for landlocked salmon?


Yes, but they were also used for casting. Regulations vary from lake to
lake.

Thanks for straightening that out for me. I was beginning to wonder.

Regulations do vary from lake to lake. I've done most of my fishing in
Maine in the small ponds in the area of Jackman and Rockwood. In most of
those ponds the regulations say "Flyfishing Only" which, in Maine, means no
trolling, weighted flies or splitshot. (or at least meant that 20 years ago)


"Stan Gula" wrote in message
...
Hooked wrote:
stuff about Maine flyfishing regs snipped

Weren't the Rangeley (i.e. Carrie Stevens streamer patterns) style flies
designed in Maine for use in trolling for landlocked salmon?


Yes, but they were also used for casting. Regulations vary from lake to
lake.