tying knots

Charlie Wilson wrote:

"Mike" wrote:

Line to leader.......nail knot or leader link
Leader to tippet..... Dbl Surgeons knot
Tippet to tippet.....Dble Surgeon knot
Tippet to fly.....Improved clinch knot


Those are all the knots I ever use,
'cept for the ones that tie my shoes.


I use three too, but I use a barrel knot instead of a double surgeons
just because that what I started with and I've been tying it a long
time. I did have to learn some new knots when we went fishing in the Keys.

Willi

"riverman" wrote in message
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What about Perfection Knots here? Loop-to-loop works for me.


Perfection loops are for people using poly leaders, interchangeable heads,
or people who's arthritic fingers make tying knots too painful or time
consuming. for anything else they're just something to use when one is too
lazy to do it right.

Designing web pages to illustrate knot tying is one of the more popular
activities on the internet. A couple of them have been referenced on roff
in the past. One of them by a roffian if I remember correctley. Next time
your in Qal-Mart check over by the fishing line dept. and see if they have
some of the little cards that illustrate knot tying. Berkly has a pretty
good one. The links below are pretty good and you can google up many many
more. If you study them you'll know all you need to know without
overexposure to rodents. %^)


http://www.sea-fishing.org/modules.p...=Fishing_Knots
http://www.marinews.com/fishing/Knot...k_albright.htm
http://www.tnoutdoorsmen.com/knots.htm

"snakefiddler" wrote in message
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spent way fu*&#$@ too much time last night trying to tie a blood know with
which to secure some new tippet to my leader, so i went in to see the nice
folks at appalachian angler today, to see if they might be of assistance.
the nice young man behind the counter spent about half an hour showing me
a
couple of different knots. we practiced with some threads, and then when
he
thought i might have the hang of it, he let me do the job with a double
surgeon's knot. I'm pretty sure that was the name of it. anyway, he
showed
me a couple of other knots, including a nail knot. i just hope i can
remember how to do them again when the time comes. he also tipped me off
on
how long my leader should be and how long my tippet should be, and showed
me
a nifty double loop kind of thing that allows changing leader with quite
so
much fuss. this knot tying stuff is not easy. he did show me a neat
little
knot tying tool. any recommendations for favorites?

snakefiddler

snakefiddler wrote:

now see, if one of the guys made a request for a fellow roffian to show him
how to tie a knot, i'm pretty sure it would have been met with a response
similar to something like, "yeah sure, i'll show ya at the next clave,or if
whatever next fishin event we attend."
but when i make a similar request, it is met with such silliness, and
disdain, as was offered up by forty- what gives?

Here's what any self respecting novice flyfisherman should do. Buy a
damn knot book. Sosin & Kreh is the best, IMO. Don't post some absurdly
vague question about knots on ROFF until you have at least some slight
clue about it. Practice, practice, practice. Don't practice on the
stream. Practice at home. Isn't that what everyone does when they're
first learning? Do you suppose there's some royal road to knot tying
through the Internet? How can you even go flyfishing without some basic,
rudimentary knowledge of knots? (Beyond the improved clinch knot, that
is, Wayno notwithstanding.)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:12:03 -0400, "snakefiddler"
wrote:


"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
.com...

"snakefiddler" wrote


this knot tying stuff is not easy. he did show me a neat little
knot tying tool. any recommendations for favorites?

i have fished for trout for the last 34 years, with more than a little
success, knowing how to tie exactly one knot: the improved clinch.

yfitp
wayno


maybe you can show it to me in october?

yifitm-
snake

Aw, shucks an' a cracklin' bread...shoo fly pie (just because, IMO,
sweet 'tater pie isn't either Southern OR sticky enough for THIS...which
is reaching out there big, brother, let me tell you...) and hush my
mouth...

Holyfuthermuckingawd! ROFF has become Ned Beatty gets it in the...fern
bar! All we need is some plaque-brained codswallop plonking out
"Khum-ba-yajh" on a goddamned dulcimer and a little "Tennessee Flat
Top...er, well, OK, so light on the box talk... It has evolved into
Alan Alda...it has Darwinized into Phil Donahue...well, let me be the
fly in the ointment, the fox in the henhouse, or, OBROFF, the stink in
the shi..Gink: Daisy Mae, snake, opie, or who- or whatever, if you
can't find the batteries, the KY, or whatever else you might need, be a
standup broad and take it dry...

....and lest you think I'm a sexist, a misogynist, or even worse,
sensitive, hell, no, I'd **** the ugliest gal you could fi...well, OK,
no, I wouldn't even talk to her after a quart of JW Blue and a gross of
oysters, but, sure as ****, you produce any one of, or, several
supermodels, and I'll have them bowlegged within 24 hours....

And, hey, I'll apologize to one and all (including cyli, who at least
seems to have a pair): I'm deeply sorry that whoever cut off most of
y'alls balls didn't keep right on cutting...now all we need is ol' MC
lecturing about gentlemanly behavior...oh, wait, are you a nun?

Not shiving a git if this helps one little bit,
R

snakefiddler any recommendations for favorites?

Last autumn I did a bit of research on different knots. This was
motivated by the fact that my favorite knot until then - the improved
clinch knot - does not always tighten properly. I hate that. Anyway,
here's the thread where I reported the results of my experiments:

http://smallurl.com?i=13560

As you can see, the end result was that I stayed with the same old
improved clinch knot I had used since then. However, this spring Mike
(Connor) mentioned in passing that uni-knot might be the knot I had
been looking for:

http://www.in-fisherman.com/magazine...003Sp_Uniknot/

In my opinion this is a _superb_ knot. You can use it to attach the
fly tightly or with a loop. It's relatively easy to tie, tightens
properly every time, and does not eat too much tippet.

I have not performed the strength test with this knot, but I believe
it to be very strong (but only if you use five loops, don't try to
cheat with your, I tried it). In addition to rescuing flies from
different obstacles, I also did manage to land a 4.5kg (10lb) pike,
which I at first thought was a huge trout.

For attaching the leader to the fly line, I use the nail knot (with I
tie with a tool), and for making the leader I use the blood knot. But
these are of course not necessary if you use loop systems and buy
tapered leaders. The tippet can be extended easily with the double
surgeon's knot, which is very easy to tie.

--
Jarmo Hurri

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"riverman" wrote in message
..

You can find out how to tie all these online with a google search.
Practice
with a piece of rope, if you have one. Also, don't forget the arbor knot
for
connecting the backing to the spool, and the one for connecting the
backing
to the line, which I cannot remember the name of.



An Albright Knot. That's it!

Also, instead of the Improved Clinch Knot, which puts a curlyque in your
tippet, try learning the Uni Knot (what some call the Grinner). Its as easy
to tie, tightens up without burning your tippet, and can be left with an
open loop for times you want more action in your fly.

--riverman

From: (Willi)

I don't believe it's because you're a woman (well it is but not JUST
because of that). At least as I read it, you "flirt" at times. I think
what you're seeing is a natural response to that. Cyli, for example,
doesn't flirt and she gets a different type of response than you do.

So Cyli has a different personality than Snake. Are you defending some
of these responses to her questions? She seems to have a genuine
interest in FF and appears to be a good hearted soul, which is good
enough for me.

The Uniknot is just about the only knot I use. For fly fishing,
spinning, connecting two lines of either similar or different
diameter, etc. I also have used it to connect leader to tippet. I
even use it to tie decoy anchors on my duck decoys, and to snell
hooks. I think Infisherman talked about it some time ago and said it
was right up there with the best of them for knot strength. It is
easy to tie, and does a great job.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:37:33 +0300, Jarmo Hurri
wrote:


snakefiddler any recommendations for favorites?

Last autumn I did a bit of research on different knots. This was
motivated by the fact that my favorite knot until then - the improved
clinch knot - does not always tighten properly. I hate that. Anyway,
here's the thread where I reported the results of my experiments:

http://smallurl.com?i=13560

As you can see, the end result was that I stayed with the same old
improved clinch knot I had used since then. However, this spring Mike
(Connor) mentioned in passing that uni-knot might be the knot I had
been looking for:

http://www.in-fisherman.com/magazine...003Sp_Uniknot/

In my opinion this is a _superb_ knot. You can use it to attach the
fly tightly or with a loop. It's relatively easy to tie, tightens
properly every time, and does not eat too much tippet.

I have not performed the strength test with this knot, but I believe
it to be very strong (but only if you use five loops, don't try to
cheat with your, I tried it). In addition to rescuing flies from
different obstacles, I also did manage to land a 4.5kg (10lb) pike,
which I at first thought was a huge trout.

For attaching the leader to the fly line, I use the nail knot (with I
tie with a tool), and for making the leader I use the blood knot. But
these are of course not necessary if you use loop systems and buy
tapered leaders. The tippet can be extended easily with the double
surgeon's knot, which is very easy to tie.

snakefiddler wrote:

spent way fu*&#$@ too much time last night trying to tie a blood know with
which to secure some new tippet to my leader, so i went in to see the nice
folks at appalachian angler today,....

You've got a fly shop near, so until you know what you're doing, let
them do knots you won't need on the water (reel to backing and backing
to line).

Put a Leader Link on the end of your line (you only need to know how to
tie an overhand knot), and a leader into the other end of the Leader
Link (another overhand knot) http://tinyurl.com/38mga

Learn the double surgeon's knot (essentially two overhand knots) for
tying on tippet,

http://www.killroys.com/knots/surgeon.htm

and the clinch knot for tying on flies,

http://www.killroys.com/knots/clinch.htm

and you're good to go.

This ain't rocket science, and tools are for wimps.

JR