the elephant in the room

Since you guys are obsessed with your own local elections, here's the
elephant:

http://tinyurl.com/4hgyuh

It's sad that no-one's talking about it.

L

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:34:53 +0100, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

Since you guys are obsessed with your own local elections, here's the
elephant:

http://tinyurl.com/4hgyuh

It's sad that no-one's talking about it.

Well, first, pocketbook issues are dominating the news cycles here, and have
been for weeks.

Second, that the White House was directly responsible for torturing captives -
or that they actually observed same in real time on their video monitors - is
not news to anyone that has been paying attention.

Finally, Obama long ago let it be known where he stood on such issues, and -
to his great credit - so did McCain. Thus, toture is not a differentiator in
this election...

/daytripper

Lazarus Cooke wrote:
Since you guys are obsessed with your own local elections, here's the
elephant:

http://tinyurl.com/4hgyuh

It's sad that no-one's talking about it.

Our own local elections ? Hardly.

As everyone, but you apparently, has come to realize presidential
elections in the US are of global import. When condos in Florida
go belly-up, Iceland goes bankrupt. When folks default on their
mortgages in Cincinnati the Brits have to socialize their banks.
The Swiss, *THE SWISS* fer cryin' out loud, are having a banking
crisis. Local election, my ass.

The reason we're not talking about Guantanamo is because the
Bush administration is over. The story broke in the Washington Post,
we saw it, we're concerned, it will be addressed in November.
Now is not the time to deflect attention away from the economic
crisis.

--
Ken Fortenberry

daytripper wrote:

Finally, Obama long ago let it be known where he stood on such issues, and -
to his great credit - so did McCain. Thus, toture is not a differentiator in
this election...

When it came to votes, McCain totally flip-flopped on torture. He talked
the talk, he but didn't walk the walk.

Understandably, Obama isn't raising this explosive issue. He's kicking
McCain's ass without it.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw wrote in
m:

When it came to votes, McCain totally flip-flopped on torture. He talked
the talk, he but didn't walk the walk.

He was pretty good on the military side of things. I think he flip-flopped
on the CIA, though, as well as with contractors. I would expect him to be
somewhat more resolute.

--
Scott
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On Oct 16, 3:34*pm, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:
Since you guys are obsessed with your own local elections, here's the
elephant:

http://tinyurl.com/4hgyuh

It's sad that no-one's talking about it.

L

Has anybody been punished for authorising or being a member of the
death squads the British used to execute Irish dissidents in Northern
Ireland? Or participants in the Israeli assassination program who hold
dual citizenship and even have book and speaking tours in the US and
Europe? Or the CIA personnel who acceded to the execution of their
fellow American citizens in Chile? Or the Dutch troops who stood aside
while the Serbs executed at least 7000 Muslims in Bosnia? Or the
European businessmen who supplied both sides in the Congo wars that
have killed something like 2 million people? Etc etc.

I believe that what the US has done is wrong and the purps need to be
put on trial. However, the US doesn't hold a monopoly on extra
judicial proceedings as some in Europe seem to believe nowadays.

Dave
General Washington himself established the doctrine in the
Revolutionary Army that, unlike the British and their German
hirelings, the Revolutionary Army would not execute or torture
prisoners. This policy became a significant advantage as word spread
that surrendered Brits and Hessians could become Americans and build a
new life in the new world.

On Oct 17, 7:55*am, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 16, 3:34*pm, Lazarus Cooke

wrote:
Since you guys are obsessed with your own local elections, here's the
elephant:

http://tinyurl.com/4hgyuh

It's sad that no-one's talking about it.

L

Has anybody been punished for authorising or being a member of the
death squads the British used to execute Irish dissidents in Northern
Ireland? Or participants in the Israeli assassination program who hold
dual citizenship and even have book and speaking tours in the US and
Europe? Or the CIA personnel who acceded to the execution of their
fellow American citizens in Chile? Or the Dutch troops who stood aside
while the Serbs executed at least 7000 Muslims in Bosnia? Or the
European businessmen who supplied both sides in the Congo wars that
have killed something like 2 million people? Etc etc.

I believe that what the US has done is wrong and the purps need to be
put on trial. However, the US doesn't hold a monopoly on extra
judicial proceedings as some in Europe seem to believe nowadays.

Dave
General Washington himself established the doctrine in the
Revolutionary Army that, unlike the British and their German
hirelings, the Revolutionary Army would not execute or torture
prisoners. This policy became a significant advantage as word spread
that surrendered Brits and Hessians could become Americans and build a
new life in the new world.

Here´s the elephant, and considering their leanings, the perfect job
for dirty dicky or dumbo dave;

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...r/elephant.jpg

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:55:13 -0700 (PDT), DaveS
wrote:

On Oct 16, 3:34*pm, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:
Since you guys are obsessed with your own local elections, here's the
elephant:

http://tinyurl.com/4hgyuh

It's sad that no-one's talking about it.

Are you friggin' serious? This isn't even a mouse in a football
(either version) stadium...

L

Has anybody been punished for authorising or being a member of the
death squads the British used to execute Irish dissidents in Northern
Ireland? Or participants in the Israeli assassination program who hold
dual citizenship and even have book and speaking tours in the US and
Europe? Or the CIA personnel who acceded to the execution of their
fellow American citizens in Chile? Or the Dutch troops who stood aside
while the Serbs executed at least 7000 Muslims in Bosnia? Or the
European businessmen who supplied both sides in the Congo wars that
have killed something like 2 million people? Etc etc.

I believe that what the US has done is wrong and the purps need to be
put on trial. However, the US doesn't hold a monopoly on extra
judicial proceedings as some in Europe seem to believe nowadays.

Well, now fair's fair - can you really compare something as mundane as
7000 or even 2 million innocent people being slaughtered to the horror
of waterboarding a few hardcore terrorism suspects? Sheesh. It's not
like they were using cattle prods, vice grips and a drill to find out
where some kid got his few joints' worth of grass. And to save time,
yes, I think it ought to be OK to waterboard certain suspects under
controlled and very limited circumstances because it works in controlled
and very limited circumstances.

Dave
General Washington himself established the doctrine in the
Revolutionary Army that, unlike the British and their German
hirelings, the Revolutionary Army would not execute or torture
prisoners. This policy became a significant advantage as word spread
that surrendered Brits and Hessians could become Americans and build a
new life in the new world.

EUREKA! That's it, there's the answer - the US should just offer bin
Laden "American" citizenship and maybe a hack license or a nice little
bodega in a lively Manhattan neighborhood or a 10k gold jewelry cart in
a busy mall or something and he'll forget all about that "DEATH TO
INFIDELS!!" shtick...

Sheesh,
R

On Oct 17, 5:37*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:55:13 -0700 (PDT), DaveS
wrote:

On Oct 16, 3:34*pm, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:
Since you guys are obsessed with your own local elections, here's the
elephant:

http://tinyurl.com/4hgyuh

It's sad that no-one's talking about it.

Are you friggin' serious? * This isn't even a mouse in a football
(either version) stadium...







L

Has anybody been punished for authorising or being a member of the
death squads the British used to execute Irish dissidents in Northern
Ireland? Or participants in the Israeli assassination program who hold
dual citizenship and even have book and speaking tours in the US and
Europe? Or the CIA personnel who acceded to the execution of their
fellow American citizens in Chile? Or the Dutch troops who stood aside
while the Serbs executed at least 7000 Muslims in Bosnia? Or the
European businessmen who supplied both sides in the Congo wars that
have killed something like 2 million people? Etc etc.

I believe that what the US has done is wrong and the purps need to be
put on trial. However, the US doesn't hold a monopoly on extra
judicial proceedings as some in Europe seem to believe nowadays.

Well, now fair's fair - can you really compare something as mundane as
7000 or even 2 million innocent people being slaughtered to the horror
of waterboarding a few hardcore terrorism suspects? *Sheesh. *It's not
like they were using cattle prods, vice grips and a drill to find out
where some kid got his few joints' worth of grass. *And to save time,
yes, I think it ought to be OK to waterboard certain suspects under
controlled and very limited circumstances because it works in controlled
and very limited circumstances.



Dave
General Washington himself established the doctrine in the
Revolutionary Army that, unlike the British and their German
hirelings, the Revolutionary Army would not execute or torture
prisoners. This policy became a significant advantage as word spread
that surrendered Brits and Hessians could become Americans and build a
new life in the new world.

EUREKA! *That's it, there's the answer - the US should just offer bin
Laden "American" citizenship and maybe a hack license or a nice little
bodega in a lively Manhattan neighborhood or a 10k gold jewelry cart in
a busy mall or something and he'll forget all about that "DEATH TO
INFIDELS!!" shtick...

Sheesh,
R- Hide quoted text -

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"Torture them all, let the CIA sort them out"?

Next thing, you'll be supporting the idea of 'if you have nothing to
hide, why do you oppose wiretapping?'

Hell, why even have courts....we can all recognize a guilty person a
mile off.

--riverman

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:53:41 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

On Oct 17, 5:37*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:55:13 -0700 (PDT), DaveS
wrote:

On Oct 16, 3:34*pm, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:
Since you guys are obsessed with your own local elections, here's the
elephant:

http://tinyurl.com/4hgyuh

It's sad that no-one's talking about it.

Are you friggin' serious? * This isn't even a mouse in a football
(either version) stadium...

L

Has anybody been punished for authorising or being a member of the
death squads the British used to execute Irish dissidents in Northern
Ireland? Or participants in the Israeli assassination program who hold
dual citizenship and even have book and speaking tours in the US and
Europe? Or the CIA personnel who acceded to the execution of their
fellow American citizens in Chile? Or the Dutch troops who stood aside
while the Serbs executed at least 7000 Muslims in Bosnia? Or the
European businessmen who supplied both sides in the Congo wars that
have killed something like 2 million people? Etc etc.

I believe that what the US has done is wrong and the purps need to be
put on trial. However, the US doesn't hold a monopoly on extra
judicial proceedings as some in Europe seem to believe nowadays.

Well, now fair's fair - can you really compare something as mundane as
7000 or even 2 million innocent people being slaughtered to the horror
of waterboarding a few hardcore terrorism suspects? *Sheesh. *It's not
like they were using cattle prods, vice grips and a drill to find out
where some kid got his few joints' worth of grass. *And to save time,
yes, I think it ought to be OK to waterboard certain suspects under
controlled and very limited circumstances because it works in controlled
and very limited circumstances.



Dave
General Washington himself established the doctrine in the
Revolutionary Army that, unlike the British and their German
hirelings, the Revolutionary Army would not execute or torture
prisoners. This policy became a significant advantage as word spread
that surrendered Brits and Hessians could become Americans and build a
new life in the new world.

EUREKA! *That's it, there's the answer - the US should just offer bin
Laden "American" citizenship and maybe a hack license or a nice little
bodega in a lively Manhattan neighborhood or a 10k gold jewelry cart in
a busy mall or something and he'll forget all about that "DEATH TO
INFIDELS!!" shtick...

Sheesh,
R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Torture them all, let the CIA sort them out"?

Er, no.

Next thing, you'll be supporting the idea of 'if you have nothing to
hide, why do you oppose wiretapping?'

I will? That's amazing...if I may - who won tomorrow in the 7th at the
Fairgrounds, and what are next Saturday's Powerball numbers, please?

Hell, why even have courts....we can all recognize a guilty person a
mile off.

Come on, now, admit it, you went out and bought one of those killfiles
like Lazarus' that let's you see a post, but prevents you from actually
reading it, right...?

Sheesh,
R

--riverman