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Here are a few tips to prevent line twist.
First, No matter if it is a baitcaster or a spinning reel, the line must be loaded on to the reel correctly. Spinning type reels must be filled with the side plate of the line-spool facing the front of the reel's spool. The line coming off the line-spool must be coming off in the same direction as it is going onto the reel. For baitcasters reels the line should come off the spool directly, with the line on the spool facing the line on the reel. If you pull out some line and it twist around the eyelets it is not loaded correctly. This can be corrected without throwing the line away. Second, You need to use a swivel. The biggest cause of line twist while using a swivel is because the swivel does not swivel. This is usually caused by using too large of a swivel. As a rough but good guide, the diameter of the wire used to make the swivel should match the diameter of the main line you are using and not the leader. If the swivel is to big there is not enough torque in the main line to swivel the swivel. Third When using a spinning reel and you are playing a fish, stop winding when the fish starts pulling line of the reel. If you continue to wind the line while line is being pulled off the reel, every turn of the reel handle will place, on average, five twists in the line. How to get line twist out. First remove anything attached to the end of the line. Then if in a boat slowly pull off while feeding the line from the spool. After about fifty feet stop for a few minutes and let the line straighten itself out. Then slowly take off pulling another 50 feet. Do this until the entire line is empty of the spool. Then reel spool the line. If near a river slowly feed the line into the river's current. Stop about every fifty feet and let the line straighten itself out then feed another fifty feet. Do this until the entire the reel is empty the reel in the line. If you prefer not to use a swivel you may want to try a knot called a King Sling knot. It will make crankbaits more presentable. Also remember to keep your rod tip up will keep the lure in the upper portion of the water you are throwing in. Lower your rod tip will lower the lure in the water. It will also change its presentation from fluttering up then back down in between reels to a more pulling straight through the water like a spinner bait. You may also want to try adding spinner in front of the gold spoon or some type of flasher.. Sarge |
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Speed depends on conditions, Sometimes I like just fast enough to keep it
off the bottom and others I like bouncing it off the bottom. if the bottom. If I was going to attach a trailer I would attach it to the last ring where the hook attaches. I would make it about 12 to 18 inches. I f I was attaching a flasher I would make it at the point where I attached the line or at the hook location depending on the type of spoon. I have several different type of spoons I throw. Some are weedless and some are not. Some have more then one treble hook and others just one. I have no preference on type of spoon. I just look at the type of bottom I might be fishing in and choose if I want one designed to bounce of the bottom or one that is suppose to be retrieved. If their is a lot of grass in the water I will go weedless. I also fished the spoon under a cork in heavy grass locations. Using the cork helps keep the spoon above the grass and allows it to flutter up and down as you pop the cork. Every wonder what your lure may look like going through the water try throwing the lure in a swimming pool. Try different retrieve speeds and methods. Try twitching your wrist while letting the lure settle on a bump and retrieve method. Satge |
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Licker, I use a gold spoon that is weedless with one fixed hook. I've
seen a bass fishing show once where the guy had a spoon the wobbled from side to side but never 360 degrees (thus twisting). Is there any spoon out there you are aware of that only turns side to side (180 degrees)? If so, this is the one I want. They seem more presentable for the type of flats fishing I do for reds. "licker" wrote in message ... Here are a few tips to prevent line twist. First, No matter if it is a baitcaster or a spinning reel, the line must be loaded on to the reel correctly. Spinning type reels must be filled with the side plate of the line-spool facing the front of the reel's spool. The line coming off the line-spool must be coming off in the same direction as it is going onto the reel. For baitcasters reels the line should come off the spool directly, with the line on the spool facing the line on the reel. If you pull out some line and it twist around the eyelets it is not loaded correctly. This can be corrected without throwing the line away. Second, You need to use a swivel. The biggest cause of line twist while using a swivel is because the swivel does not swivel. This is usually caused by using too large of a swivel. As a rough but good guide, the diameter of the wire used to make the swivel should match the diameter of the main line you are using and not the leader. If the swivel is to big there is not enough torque in the main line to swivel the swivel. Third When using a spinning reel and you are playing a fish, stop winding when the fish starts pulling line of the reel. If you continue to wind the line while line is being pulled off the reel, every turn of the reel handle will place, on average, five twists in the line. How to get line twist out. First remove anything attached to the end of the line. Then if in a boat slowly pull off while feeding the line from the spool. After about fifty feet stop for a few minutes and let the line straighten itself out. Then slowly take off pulling another 50 feet. Do this until the entire line is empty of the spool. Then reel spool the line. If near a river slowly feed the line into the river's current. Stop about every fifty feet and let the line straighten itself out then feed another fifty feet. Do this until the entire the reel is empty the reel in the line. If you prefer not to use a swivel you may want to try a knot called a King Sling knot. It will make crankbaits more presentable. Also remember to keep your rod tip up will keep the lure in the upper portion of the water you are throwing in. Lower your rod tip will lower the lure in the water. It will also change its presentation from fluttering up then back down in between reels to a more pulling straight through the water like a spinner bait. You may also want to try adding spinner in front of the gold spoon or some type of flasher.. Sarge |
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Try the Gator LuresLLC weedless spoon.
Here is the description from a web site. Features a unique patented design which allows a worm or a skirt to be secured on the body of the spoon in such a matter that it acts as a fulcrum. This increases spoon wobble and decreases complete rotations, substantially reducing line twist. Made from the highest quality materials, a brass blade, stainless weedguard and double strength hook. Sarge |
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(Basspro*) wrote: Joe that makes sense about the ball bearing swivel. I'll give that a shot. Also, how fast do you retrieve a spoon? I have noticed the slower the retrieve the less the line twist, but if I retrieve to slowly it sinks too fast. Also, do you ever use a trailer on the spoon for redfish? Perhaps a grub tail or something similar? Would that help reduce the twist also? The retrieve speed can make a difference but I notice very little line twist with the swivel. I do typically use a braided line on my spinning reels (PowerPro or TuffLine) and they are not really as susceptible to line twist. I do have a couple of outfits with a hybrid mono that I may tie a spoon on but again twist is minimal. The retrieve speed varies. It depends on the fish and maybe the water temps. If I am not getting hits when it is known that fish are present or hits and no hook ups (nice thing about a spoon with a weed guard is that you are pretty certain you had a hit if the guard is bent) I may change the speed. I know that reds are supposed to have poor sight but I have seen then in the shallows yak fishing run 20 feet to blast my spoon on a fast retrieve. The thing my buddy/mentor keeps reminding me is to let the spoon drop to near the bottom before beginning your retrieve. I have to say though that reds will surprise you and I have seen every kind of take on the flats. Including undoing a slight bird's nest and having a fish that apparently picked up the spoon off the bottom. Usually the aim is to keep it near the bottom or at grass top. In the winter, cooler water you may want to work the spoon slower. A trailer works well for that. I have used a grub or the purpose maid trailers. There is also a 'new' product originating in Florida called 'Fish Bites' that I have used. They have a 'crab scent' that is good for reds. It will come off at some point unlike a plastic though. I have used them on several occasions and they seem to make a difference but I have no conclusive evidence. The trailer may help reduce twist as it typically changes action a little. It will also allow a slower retrieve which may be just the ticket for sluggish cool water fish. Lastly, try the silver spoon. I know everyone says gold but I can show you evidence otherwise; in the Tampa Bay area anyway. good fishing, joe -- "Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb Flats fishing is Flat Fun! Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com |
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Turns out Bass Pro Shops carries the Gator Lures LLC product line. We
have a new Bass Pro Shops in Destin, FL (about 20 minutes from my house) so I'll head over there to grab some. Thanks for the advice. I went to their website and you're right about it not twisting 360 degrees. They claim that this lure creates no line twist whatsoever. Neat product. "licker" wrote in message ... Try the Gator LuresLLC weedless spoon. Here is the description from a web site. Features a unique patented design which allows a worm or a skirt to be secured on the body of the spoon in such a matter that it acts as a fulcrum. This increases spoon wobble and decreases complete rotations, substantially reducing line twist. Made from the highest quality materials, a brass blade, stainless weedguard and double strength hook. Sarge |
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