OT - Fishing Contest ;-)

Point taken and respected. Joe Z.
"Rich Pierro" wrote in message
...
I guess I shouldn't get so worked up but I just lost my business and I'm
probably a little bitter right now. Some of the foreign and economic
policies of this administration have directly impacted my economy sensitive
industry and I can't help but think a change is needed. I'm not doing
nearly as well as I was under Clinton.

And Joe, for the record, I'd rather a man had the courage to change his mind
based on the evolving climate of a situation. I seems unwise to me to set a
course and put your blinders on and trudge ahead regardless of how changing
terms can alter the situation. This world is constantly changing, every
minute, and global leadership needs to adapt if we are to survive and
prosper.

Plus, I feel strongly about the separation of church and state,being an
agnostic.

Rich P

Hey Rich
Sorry to hear about your business loss.

Steve


"Rich Pierro" wrote in message
...
I guess I shouldn't get so worked up but I just lost my business and I'm
probably a little bitter right now. Some of the foreign and economic
policies of this administration have directly impacted my economy
sensitive
industry and I can't help but think a change is needed. I'm not doing
nearly as well as I was under Clinton.

And Joe, for the record, I'd rather a man had the courage to change his
mind
based on the evolving climate of a situation. I seems unwise to me to set
a
course and put your blinders on and trudge ahead regardless of how
changing
terms can alter the situation. This world is constantly changing, every
minute, and global leadership needs to adapt if we are to survive and
prosper.

Plus, I feel strongly about the separation of church and state,being an
agnostic.

Rich P

Hey Rich
Sorry to hear about your business loss.

Steve


"Rich Pierro" wrote in message
...
I guess I shouldn't get so worked up but I just lost my business and I'm
probably a little bitter right now. Some of the foreign and economic
policies of this administration have directly impacted my economy
sensitive
industry and I can't help but think a change is needed. I'm not doing
nearly as well as I was under Clinton.

And Joe, for the record, I'd rather a man had the courage to change his
mind
based on the evolving climate of a situation. I seems unwise to me to set
a
course and put your blinders on and trudge ahead regardless of how
changing
terms can alter the situation. This world is constantly changing, every
minute, and global leadership needs to adapt if we are to survive and
prosper.

Plus, I feel strongly about the separation of church and state,being an
agnostic.

Rich P

Hi Rich.

Sorry to hear about your loss and I hope things work out. My guess is
though that would Bush and the administration's policies were not
responsible for that. The economy goes in cycles. I do not believe any
current president can really take credit for the state of the economy given
that what happens was already set into motion prior to taking office. Also,
if Al Gore had been elected, things might have been much worse after 9/11
from an economy standpoint as I do believe Bush's leadership (right or
wrong) has helped to hold this country together. Bad decisions are always
better than no decisions which is a trait I see from prevailing Democrats.
In my opinion though, I think Bush has demonstrated exceptional leadership
and made the right decisions based upon known information.

Regarding separation of church and state, what do you think that means?
When you think of separation, who was the "architect" that defined this? It
was Thomas Jefferson of course. Given that, here are some things to
consider:
- Jefferson attended church at a location with the largest congregration.
That location was the Capital.
- Jefferson did not like the music played during the service. So, he
brought in the Marine Corp band.
- Jefferson, while president, held a second job. He was the equivalent of
the secretary of education. I do not remember the title. Essentially, he
was responsible for public education. He required two books to be taught.
Do you know what those were? It was the Bible and Isaac Watt's hymnal.

You may not like this because you are an agnostic, but too many people and
the ACLU have completely distorted what was meant by separation of church
and state. I could argue that not believing in God is a form of religion in
itself and therefore, ignoring God in relation to the government is the
ACLU's definition of violation of separation of church and state. We have
freedom in this country to not be persecuted for our beliefs. I just do not
believe that means we have to remove Christian values from our government on
which this country was founded.

Jeff


"Rich Pierro" wrote in message
...
I guess I shouldn't get so worked up but I just lost my business and I'm
probably a little bitter right now. Some of the foreign and economic
policies of this administration have directly impacted my economy
sensitive
industry and I can't help but think a change is needed. I'm not doing
nearly as well as I was under Clinton.

And Joe, for the record, I'd rather a man had the courage to change his
mind
based on the evolving climate of a situation. I seems unwise to me to set
a
course and put your blinders on and trudge ahead regardless of how
changing
terms can alter the situation. This world is constantly changing, every
minute, and global leadership needs to adapt if we are to survive and
prosper.

Plus, I feel strongly about the separation of church and state,being an
agnostic.

Rich P

Hi Rich.

Sorry to hear about your loss and I hope things work out. My guess is
though that would Bush and the administration's policies were not
responsible for that. The economy goes in cycles. I do not believe any
current president can really take credit for the state of the economy given
that what happens was already set into motion prior to taking office. Also,
if Al Gore had been elected, things might have been much worse after 9/11
from an economy standpoint as I do believe Bush's leadership (right or
wrong) has helped to hold this country together. Bad decisions are always
better than no decisions which is a trait I see from prevailing Democrats.
In my opinion though, I think Bush has demonstrated exceptional leadership
and made the right decisions based upon known information.

Regarding separation of church and state, what do you think that means?
When you think of separation, who was the "architect" that defined this? It
was Thomas Jefferson of course. Given that, here are some things to
consider:
- Jefferson attended church at a location with the largest congregration.
That location was the Capital.
- Jefferson did not like the music played during the service. So, he
brought in the Marine Corp band.
- Jefferson, while president, held a second job. He was the equivalent of
the secretary of education. I do not remember the title. Essentially, he
was responsible for public education. He required two books to be taught.
Do you know what those were? It was the Bible and Isaac Watt's hymnal.

You may not like this because you are an agnostic, but too many people and
the ACLU have completely distorted what was meant by separation of church
and state. I could argue that not believing in God is a form of religion in
itself and therefore, ignoring God in relation to the government is the
ACLU's definition of violation of separation of church and state. We have
freedom in this country to not be persecuted for our beliefs. I just do not
believe that means we have to remove Christian values from our government on
which this country was founded.

Jeff


"Rich Pierro" wrote in message
...
I guess I shouldn't get so worked up but I just lost my business and I'm
probably a little bitter right now. Some of the foreign and economic
policies of this administration have directly impacted my economy
sensitive
industry and I can't help but think a change is needed. I'm not doing
nearly as well as I was under Clinton.

And Joe, for the record, I'd rather a man had the courage to change his
mind
based on the evolving climate of a situation. I seems unwise to me to set
a
course and put your blinders on and trudge ahead regardless of how
changing
terms can alter the situation. This world is constantly changing, every
minute, and global leadership needs to adapt if we are to survive and
prosper.

Plus, I feel strongly about the separation of church and state,being an
agnostic.

Rich P

I caught a fish today, I'm going over to recreation.outdoors.politics to let
them all know. Hell, I might even post a picture.

Randy-

I caught a fish today, I'm going over to recreation.outdoors.politics to let
them all know. Hell, I might even post a picture.

Randy-

You are right. We certainly got off topic. It's Steve's fault for posting
such a funny joke! :-)

Jeff


"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...
I caught a fish today, I'm going over to recreation.outdoors.politics to
let
them all know. Hell, I might even post a picture.

Randy-

You are right. We certainly got off topic. It's Steve's fault for posting
such a funny joke! :-)

Jeff


"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...
I caught a fish today, I'm going over to recreation.outdoors.politics to
let
them all know. Hell, I might even post a picture.

Randy-

Excellent contribution to this thread, Randy!

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www.richz.com/fishing