Free SST Maps

You know, you have yet to link to the NG's charter saying his free adverts
are worse than your free adverts.

You know what else? Frankly I didn't know what an SST map was last week but
ended up using his this last weekend on a wade fishing trip in christmas
bay.

If you are going to complain, you should mention it is hard to find what he
posts about because he has too much free stuff on his website...not that his
free adverts are more noticeable than yours. It isn't apples and oranges, it
is green vs red apples.

:)

John
in Houston (and too far from yellow chaser to get paid for or even use his
local forums)

"Tex John" wrote in message
...
| You know, you have yet to link to the NG's charter saying his free adverts
| are worse than your free adverts.
|
| You know what else? Frankly I didn't know what an SST map was last week but
| ended up using his this last weekend on a wade fishing trip in christmas
| bay.
|
| If you are going to complain, you should mention it is hard to find what he
| posts about because he has too much free stuff on his website...not that his
| free adverts are more noticeable than yours. It isn't apples and oranges, it
| is green vs red apples.
|
| :)
|
| John
| in Houston (and too far from yellow chaser to get paid for or even use his
| local forums)
|
|
|

The difference is, I'm not advertising *anything* !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

Sorry but even having a link to a site in your signature can be
considered as advertising, just depends on who you ask. Honestly
which pertains more to these forums, SST Maps or Virus software????

David H. Lipmanwrote:
"Tex John" wrote in message
...
| You know, you have yet to link to the NG's charter saying his free
adverts
| are worse than your free adverts.
|
| You know what else? Frankly I didn't know what an SST map was last
week but
| ended up using his this last weekend on a wade fishing trip in
christmas
| bay.
|
| If you are going to complain, you should mention it is hard to
find what he
| posts about because he has too much free stuff on his
website...not that his
| free adverts are more noticeable than yours. It isn't apples and
oranges, it
| is green vs red apples.
|
| :)
|
| John
| in Houston (and too far from yellow chaser to get paid for or even
use his
| local forums)
|
|
|

The difference is, I'm not advertising *anything* !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
Over 7,000+ Reel, Engine and Trolling Motor Schematics www.hookandsinker.com

The difference is, I'm not advertising *anything* !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm


Yes, dude, you are.

John

"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
news:weA5e.6109$ox3.1561@trnddc03...
"Tex John" wrote in message
...
| You know, you have yet to link to the NG's charter saying his free
adverts
| are worse than your free adverts.
|
| You know what else? Frankly I didn't know what an SST map was last week
but
| ended up using his this last weekend on a wade fishing trip in christmas
| bay.
|
| If you are going to complain, you should mention it is hard to find what
he
| posts about because he has too much free stuff on his website...not that
his
| free adverts are more noticeable than yours. It isn't apples and
oranges, it
| is green vs red apples.
|
| :)
|
| John
| in Houston (and too far from yellow chaser to get paid for or even use
his
| local forums)
|
|
|

The difference is, I'm not advertising *anything* !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:08:46 -0500,
lid (yellowchaser)
wrote:

Sorry but even having a link to a site in your signature can be
considered as advertising, just depends on who you ask. Honestly
which pertains more to these forums, SST Maps or Virus software????


Links in sigs, of which is yours is perfectly proper, BTW, are
generally considered acceptable on most newsgroups as long as they're
under 4 lines total. Even if commercial and whatever the subject.
There are groups whose charters don't accept them, whether for free or
commercial sites. There was a rare one I used to use that banned even
a simple repletion of one's email address and name. One must be
careful to erase any sig for those groups.

Most who object to commercial links in sig files are probably a bit
new to the 'Net and don't understand the conventions of it. Or have
been exposed to some of the 10 or 20 line gross advertising ones.

Now you do have the excuse of being sensitive about the whole thing
after being jumped on for repeated advertising in your subject lines
and posts of your Web site. It happened. It's over. Your sig file is
fine. Relax and get some more 'Net experience?

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:51:52 GMT, "Tex John"
wrote:

(snipped)

You know, you have yet to link to the NG's charter saying his free adverts
are worse than your free adverts.

Well, since the 'Net, in general, historically accepts advertising of
4 lines or less in sig files and in general, historically does not
accept advertising in the body of posts, particularly if it's all the
post is about, that's where this all started. So that's the
difference.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Actually it all started because since this is a newsgroup pertaining
to fishing and there are many companies out there that are charging
monthly fees for the same SST maps that I was offerig to people to
free, and since it did pertain to this newsgroup because many
experienced fisherman rely on them for finding temperature breaks. I
guess it was a fault on my part for assuming that being a
professional fisherman myself for many many years I would have wanted
to know if someone were offering something like that at no charge and
asking nothing in return, but some people just want something that
they can complain about in life.
Commercial or not, advertising is advertising. We reached the serious
fisherman that respected it as a valuable FREE resource that they
could use to improve their fishing without having to pay someone
every month for it. Not everyone uses SST maps, or understands how to
use them effectively as is reflected in this topic.
And I seriously doubt there are that many newbies especially in
newsgroups, now there may be more in the future as newsgroups are
being brought to the web with larger companies like Google but most
newbies have no idea how to even get to newgroups much less post on
them. Some of us have been around since the BBS days and some of us
not long at all.
Myself I have no problem with advertising as everyone wants to call
it, when it is showing someone a resource that costs them nothing to
use and pertain to the subject that the reader is researching on, as
in fishing. People aren't just in the fishing newsgroups to chat
about what color the sky is, there are here to learn and improve
their fishing skills, so if a person can't offer something to help
them do that without it causing a mess or being run around accusing
them of spamming the newsgroup then what the heck is everyone doing
on here anyway.
And how is you sig pointing to your site displaying your artwork any
different, what does artwork have to do with the fishing newsgroup
anyway? Can't we stay on the subject of the newsgroup or should
everyone just be trying to push their Viagra wares in their sigs
too.



Cyliwrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:51:52 GMT, "Tex John"

wrote:

(snipped)

You know, you have yet to link to the NG's charter saying his free
adverts
are worse than your free adverts.

Well, since the 'Net, in general, historically accepts advertising of
4 lines or less in sig files and in general, historically does not
accept advertising in the body of posts, particularly if it's all the
post is about, that's where this all started. So that's the
difference.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to
email)[/quote:6f2080227e]
Over 7,000+ Reel, Engine and Trolling Motor Schematics www.hookandsinker.com

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:22:23 -0500,
lid (yellowchaser)
wrote:


Myself I have no problem with advertising as everyone wants to call
it, when it is showing someone a resource that costs them nothing to
use and pertain to the subject that the reader is researching on, as
in fishing.

Yes, we noticed that. And you weren't snarled at the first couple of
times you did it. It was the damn repetition and this sort of
nit-picking whining that finally got me to putting my own snarl in.

You and mechanic mike over in the camping groups. Geeze. The only
difference was that he's small time commercial.

So you made your own private sandbox and you're proud of it. Fine.
So far it as that it was a good thing. A couple of times giving a
notice of it was okay. But you had to keep pounding on it. "Oh,
don't play in that dirty public place, kids, come to _my_ sandbox and
play. I'll give you free stuff if you come play in my place." And
then again and again. And when someone who's happy in the public
sandbox asked you to just go play in your own and stop nagging at him,
this started.

And your original stated objection was, I believe, to this newsgroup
being useless because of porn and advertising? Well, you've got your
very own clean place. Will you please play in it and leave us to play
in ours? A once a month announcement should be more than sufficient
for you to gather an initial group and get them going and occasionally
add a member. If it's not, maybe your sandbox isn't as much fun to
play in for them as this dirty old place? Maybe your free stuff is
hard to find or hard to use or just not good enough?

If Rodney is still here maybe he can tell you what effect relentless
advertising has on us. He calmed down a lot after a while and stopped
putting in all his plugs for his lures. When last I noticed him, he
was trying to be helpful and not interjecting his wonderful stuff
without cause more often than whenever he made a new project.

Has if occurred to you that if you make general information posts here
and if you answer any questions in a helpful way, that people will
eventually notice your sig file and go to your Web place and try it?
But if all they see here are your repetitive advertising and
complaints about your repetitive advertising and your pathetic
self-justifications that they might be just a bit leery of having
anything to do with you? No? Thought not.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:22:23 -0500,
lid (yellowchaser)
wrote:

And how is you sig pointing to your site displaying your artwork any
different, what does artwork have to do with the fishing newsgroup
anyway? Can't we stay on the subject of the newsgroup or should
everyone just be trying to push their Viagra wares in their sigs
too.




Did you even read what I wrote, newbbie? Sig files can say anything.
Yes, even have Viagra ads (though most who advertise that sort of
thing are not the least interested in posting anything but their
SPAM). As long as they're less than 4 lines total. How many months
have your been using the 'Net? If it's more than 4, you should have
learned about "Nettiquette" by now.

My art has nothing to do with any of the newsgroups I post in. I know
that. That's why I DON'T ADVERTISE IT IN THE BODY OF MY POSTS, even
if I were to post in an art group. Though it's more free than your
Web site, as I don't require that anyone register to look at it,
meaning I can't get their email addresses and any other information
about them and I have no chance of 'moderating' any of their opinions
about it. Which also means that nobody who can hack my site will get
any advantage out of it other than the possibility of destroying my
page. What can they get out of your Web site?

Cyliwrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:51:52 GMT, "Tex John"

wrote:

(snipped)

You know, you have yet to link to the NG's charter saying his free
adverts
are worse than your free adverts.

Well, since the 'Net, in general, historically accepts advertising of
4 lines or less in sig files and in general, historically does not
accept advertising in the body of posts, particularly if it's all the
post is about, that's where this all started. So that's the
difference.



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

HaHa I love messages from newbies like yourself that think that know
all about the world. I was using the internet when your parents were
still cleaning your diapers. As you can see since it is a free world
still, since you are not in charge, I can and will post in any dirty
old sandbox that I like if that is what it takes to let the genuine
people know, including your little sandbox babe.

And our security is alot better than you think babe. It keeps newbies
like yourself from messing things up for everyone else haha.

But it was nice hearing from you Oh and P.s. thanks for keeping the
topic hot by responding. The smart thing would have been to have let
it die out, but then again I can tell by your mentality that you
don't think that way.

Cyliwrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:22:23 -0500,
lid (yellowchaser)
wrote:

And how is you sig pointing to your site displaying your artwork
any
different, what does artwork have to do with the fishing newsgroup
anyway? Can't we stay on the subject of the newsgroup or should
everyone just be trying to push their Viagra wares in their sigs
too.




Did you even read what I wrote, newbbie? Sig files can say anything.
Yes, even have Viagra ads (though most who advertise that sort of
thing are not the least interested in posting anything but their
SPAM). As long as they're less than 4 lines total. How many months
have your been using the 'Net? If it's more than 4, you should have
learned about "Nettiquette" by now.

My art has nothing to do with any of the newsgroups I post in. I
know
that. That's why I DON'T ADVERTISE IT IN THE BODY OF MY POSTS, even
if I were to post in an art group. Though it's more free than your
Web site, as I don't require that anyone register to look at it,
meaning I can't get their email addresses and any other information
about them and I have no chance of 'moderating' any of their opinions
about it. Which also means that nobody who can hack my site will get
any advantage out of it other than the possibility of destroying my
page. What can they get out of your Web site?

Cyliwrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:51:52 GMT, "Tex John"

wrote:

(snipped)

You know, you have yet to link to the NG's charter saying his free
adverts
are worse than your free adverts.

Well, since the 'Net, in general, historically accepts advertising
of
4 lines or less in sig files and in general, historically does not
accept advertising in the body of posts, particularly if it's all
the
post is about, that's where this all started. So that's the
difference.



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to
email)[/quote:87f7724d13]
Over 7,000+ Reel, Engine and Trolling Motor Schematics www.hookandsinker.com