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Tom wrote:snip One sees the same "big name"
tyers, giving essentially the same presentations which they have presented for years. I don't want to pick on any one individual, but geez, can't we see something novel anymore? It is not all that easy to come up with something truly different. I like tying the little foam spiders that I tie for bluegill, but there is nothing new there. When I started tying in the late 1980's it was already common practice to fold the foam over the back of the beetle and I am told that this is a simple variation of Jack Gartside's Gurgler. I guess that could be true, but I have often wondered who influenced Jack to use that technique or if he was the first. In our part of the country, many years ago Doug Christian of the Saint Louis area tied a fly he called the shoe fly that used a closed cell foam back with a underbody of furry foam under twisted maribou, and round rubber legs.. Kyle Moppert of Baton Rouge learned to tie it from Doug. John Peterie learned to tie it from Kyle, and started using the chrystal chenille for a body material. I learned how to do the grizzly rubber legs from Eric Schmucker who learned that technique from Al Troth. I tie the legs on the bug with a technique that I developed myself without watching anyone else, but I am not so naieve to believe that I am the first to do it that way. My latest version of the fly is called "The Psychedelic Spider," and uses the multicolored foam that Dave Mohnsen of Denver introduced us to with his Rainbow Beetle in a fly swap- a year or so ago. I also use the chrystal chenille for the body material cause the fish like it,and when I make the multi-colored legs I use at least three different colored markers using the same "grizzly rubber leg technique" that I learned from Eric. The inspiration for the fly came from comment that Day Tripper made after seeing the rainbow beetle. Did I invent anything? No. It is just a different combination of techniques. It is still a lot of fun. I have never seen Doug tie the Shoe Fly and plan to have him show me how he ties it if he is able to come to The Sowbug Roundup in a few months. I would like to get a fly tied by each of these guys and see how far back I can get flies tied by all those who influenced those with their techniques. I think it would make an excellent display of the evolution of a fly. I just have not figured out how to display all of them as I would prefer to preserve some brush or branches of trees from the area each of these guys come from so that the bugs can look like they were left in trees due to poor casting like I most often do. I tell guys to decorate trees with the bugs when I give them away. For instance, Since Kyle lives in Baton Rouge I suspect it should be a live oak branch that the fly shares with some spanish moss. Since Dave is from thje Denver area, will I need to collect some sage brush? I leave a lot of them in cat tails in East Texas. I went to a conclave a couple of years ago the the keynote speaker and featured tier used the same old tired and faded film he had used when I first say him give that presentation in a fly shop in Ft Worth 15 years before. You would think that since he had been making money off that presentation for so long he could have at least shot new film. I see more new creative thing things done with fur and feathers done by teenagers than by crusty old farts like me. I have a lot of fun learning from a dear friend's grandaughter who I have been tying with off and on since she was 6 years old and she is now 11 years old. Have fun out there. Big Dale |
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Dale notes:
I went to a conclave a couple of years ago the the keynote speaker and featured tier used the same old tired and faded film he had used when I first say him give that presentation in a fly shop in Ft Worth 15 years before that is exactly the sort of experience I was ranting about. I don't expect anything miraculous, or even truly "new". I do think, that if the attendees are shelling out 10 or 12 bucks each to show up, the featured tiers could rework the presentations for which they are paid. The fact that they do not is somewhat insulting. Tom |
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"Ernie" wrote in message om... "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message .com... Stan Gula wrote: With all due respect for your, and others' political opinions, could we please try to keep ROFFT from becoming another heap of political posts? Yeah, everybody knows that fly fishermen, (excepting Big Dale, of course) discuss politics over in roff. ;-) Ken Fortenberry I wonder if there is any chance of getting another ROFF news group for discussion of off topic items? Ernie Call the group rec.off.topic....ROT for short... Mark --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 |
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And instead of being called ROFFians, everyone would just be ROTten...
"Mark W. Oots" mark_ctc@(delete this)ameritech.net wrote in message .com... Call the group rec.off.topic....ROT for short... Mark |
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Tom wrote:that is exactly the sort of experience I was ranting about. I don't
expect anything miraculous, or even truly "new". I do think, that if the attendees are shelling out 10 or 12 bucks each to show up, the featured tiers could rework the presentations for which they are paid. The fact that they do not is somewhat insulting. Tom The sad part is that after being treated that way by that guy, the next year they booked him and his son to be the keynote speakers at the next year's conclave. How does that teach him that he has done anything wrong? The screwups that make those kind of decisions won't listen to people that make sense. Thanks for an excuse to make a serious rant. Big Dale |
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RE "I don't want to pick on any one individual, but geez, can't we see
something novel anymore?" =========== http://montana-riverboats.com/static...9-BMP_Pmd.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...al_Mayfly.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...dis/done2.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...s/Somores.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...r/92-done.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...it/5-done.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...elly_Fish.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...d_Sculpin.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...ankrobber.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...e/Twinkie.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...i_Wiggler.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...pper_done.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static...Wherewolf.html http://montana-riverboats.com/static..._Streamer.html |
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Sandy,
Great examples...now, if someone could just book you for the Fly Tyer's circuit, and perhaps a couple more of your creativity, we might just have something. Happy Holidays, Tom |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message ... Dale notes: I went to a conclave a couple of years ago the the keynote speaker and featured tier used the same old tired and faded film he had used when I first say him give that presentation in a fly shop in Ft Worth 15 years before that is exactly the sort of experience I was ranting about. I don't expect anything miraculous, or even truly "new". Indian Joe offers--not much different from fly fishing clinics where Joe Humphery shows film he made 10 years ago and Jim Casonva (?) talks about fishing streams he has not seen in 10 years. |
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