Looks like I'm in for Penns

Unless there's an apocalypse (I mean a serious one), arrive Sunday the
24th, leave Friday the 29th, either tenting or sleeping in the back of the
truck......

This time, though, I'm not messing with no effete eastern green drake
ties. Sticking with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/ajqeb

- JR

"JR" wrote

no effete eastern green drake
ties. Sticking with this one:



First, I'm glad you get to go ... you need and deserve the trip.

Bob Quigley was the very first person to every show me how to tie a fly,
back, ... way, way back, when he had a small shop under Rick's Lodge and was
guiding on Fall River here in CA. The fly he showed me? ... his at the
time, newly developed "Quigley Cripple" tied to match a Green Drake ... the
fly in your link.

I was in my buddies fly shop a couple days ago and noticed a DVD by Quigley
.... his 'Signature Patterns" I bought it mainly from nostalgia, some
pretty nice patterns I hadn't seen before, Bob is one of the best.

As you clearly know, the 'old' Cripple is one hell of a good pattern ... the
DVD shows a new variation ( for Hexs), but the original is very difficult to
beat and retains my total confidence .... those snobby Penns trout had
better watch out, ... go get 'em, JR


Larry L ( who flashes on the fact that last season's first 20inch trout ate
a Quigley Cripple in Brown Drake colors on Silver Creek )

JR wrote:
Unless there's an apocalypse (I mean a serious one),

Oh, now *that's* funny!
--
TL,
Tim
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Larry L wrote:

As you clearly know, the 'old' Cripple is one hell of a good pattern ... the
DVD shows a new variation ( for Hexs), but the original is very difficult to
beat and retains my total confidence .... those snobby Penns trout had
better watch out, ... go get 'em, JR

The last (only) time I fished Penns was also during the GD hatch and I
threw all those weird white-bodied coffin flies at them with no luck at
all (well, one brief hook-up). Two biggest fish I caught the whole 5
days were both on the Quigley cripple. Rather fish that and sulfurs and
leave the GD spinner fall to folks who know what they're doing.

- JR

JR wrote:
Larry L wrote:

As you clearly know, the 'old' Cripple is one hell of a good pattern
... the DVD shows a new variation ( for Hexs), but the original is
very difficult to beat and retains my total confidence .... those
snobby Penns trout had better watch out, ... go get 'em, JR

The last (only) time I fished Penns was also during the GD hatch and I
threw all those weird white-bodied coffin flies at them with no luck at
all (well, one brief hook-up). Two biggest fish I caught the whole 5
days were both on the Quigley cripple. Rather fish that and sulfurs and
leave the GD spinner fall to folks who know what they're doing.

- JR

penns can be tough going, even with bugs on the water. i have been at
penns twice when the drake hatch started...both were at the very
beginning of the hatch. it was odd to see those huge mayflies, wings up
like sails, floating down the stream...but even stranger to see the fish
ignore all that "meat" for the much smaller sulphurs that were mixed in
with the drakes. tom and mike makela have a tie that works the best from
my experience...you should get a loaner from them to try as well. my
only successful hook-up, and break off, was on a bug makela "loaned" me.

i too flitted with the coffin fly hatch once...no luck...but it was
amazing to see the blizzard of white coming out of the water, spiraling
up 15 feet or more, and falling back in as darkness hit. i
involuntarily snorted into, and quite voluntarily pulled flies out of,
my mouth and nose, and tried to see through the damn things to the
water...finally gave up. i don't enjoy fishing in the dark, but it's
fun to watch folks like davePA, tom, and makela do it.

speaking of makela...anybody heard from/of him? will he be at penns
this year?

jeff

"jeff" wrote


i too flitted with the coffin fly hatch once...no luck...but it was
amazing to see the blizzard of white coming out of the water, spiraling up
15 feet or more, and falling back in as darkness hit.


The Eastern Green Drake is apparently very, very, different from those bugs
that get called GDs in the West. And I'm mystified by the whole 'coffin
fly' thing, is this the spinner stage of the EGD?.


As for fish eating the little and ignoring the big ... that is more common
than would ever happen at a human buffet.

"jeff" wrote in message
. ..
speaking of makela...anybody heard from/of him? will he be at penns this
year?

yes, and yes.
And, I guess this year's lesson will be lobbing coffin flies among the bats,
and how to stretch the evening rise into the morning hours(and still be
fishing coffin flies).
Tom

"Larry L" wrote in message
...
And I'm mystified by the whole 'coffin
fly' thing, is this the spinner stage of the EGD?.

yes, they are very pale cream color, with darker tails and mottled dark
wings on a darkish thorax. And, they are big. Aim for something around the
length of a 4xl #10
streamer hook for a reasonable imitation, and many naturals run bigger.

As for fish eating the little and ignoring the big ... that is more common
than would ever happen at a human buffet.

true, especially early in the evening. Fish will commonly key on sulfurs(#16
or so).....right up until dark. Then, in my experience, they change over and
ALL the larger fish, and most of the smaller ones eat spent Coffin Flies.
Oh, and your waders in the water will not deter them. They routinely use
anglers for cover when feeding.
Tom

Larry L wrote:
"jeff" wrote

i too flitted with the coffin fly hatch once...no luck...but it was
amazing to see the blizzard of white coming out of the water, spiraling up
15 feet or more, and falling back in as darkness hit.


The Eastern Green Drake is apparently very, very, different from those bugs
that get called GDs in the West. And I'm mystified by the whole 'coffin
fly' thing, is this the spinner stage of the EGD?.


As for fish eating the little and ignoring the big ... that is more common
than would ever happen at a human buffet.



the penns green drake is much larger than the western variety, based on
my limited experience with each. the coloring also looked different to
me. but, a beautiful bug on a trout stream anywhere i happen to be
fortunate enough to see one.

oops, you are right (as usual)...coffin flies are the drakes...don't
think i was in a drake blizzard... crane flies perhaps?? skinny, long
legged, big creamy colored flies...looks like a big mosquito i went
with the penns dusk to dark crowd once, we waded out into the water, and
as it became dark, a gazillion bugs appeared. the crane flies abundant
among them. i think tom and frank reid fished them successfully that
night. i just kept looking for the gates of hades i knew were open
somewhere nearby.

....and, in confirming my error, i was reminded of another "coffin
fly"...one i hope not to see anytime soon...

jeff

Very good news. How many of those funny little flies you going to tie
for the rest of us?
Frank Reid