Um, Ken..., or, suddenly, $24,000.00 for a evening out in NYC seems like a bargain...

On 2010-11-05 14:51:59 -0400, Ken Fortenberry
said:

**** snipped:

Yep, that happend. A Chinese mig was buzzing them in international
waters. The mig driver made a bad mistake and collided with the EP-3a.
The pilot of the mig died. The Navy pilot managed to land the elint
collection aircraft on a Chinese island. Very skillful driving whether
or not Fortenberry, the sexual intellect of roff, knows it.

So, let me get this right.....
A hotshot Chinese pilot flying a Sukoi Su-27 (NATO designation
Flanker), a single person, mach 2 fighter/interceper, along with
several *other* Su-27s are buzzing this EP-3a (an old Orion aircraft
from the 60's that drives veeeeeery slow). The P-3 is flying 70 miles
from the nearest Chinese land, Hainan Island. The Chinese pilot dies
(tuff ****, eh?), while the impact sends the EP-3 into a 30° dive at a
bank angle of 130°, almost inverted. It dropped 8,000*feet in
30*seconds, and fell another 6,000*feet before the pilot, Lt. Shane
Osborn got the EP-3's wings level and the nose up. In a September 2003
article in Naval Aviation News, Osborn said that once he regained
control of the plane he "called for the crew to prepare to bail out."
He then managed to control the aircraft's descent by using emergency
power on the working engines, such that an emergency landing on Hainan
became a possibility. That's what happened.

Now our sexual intellect Fortenberry, who has never flown in a military
aircraft let alone been on a ferret flight and has never served his
country in ANY way, has never risked his life nor had a tight ass
moment while in *any* military expects the crew to destroy an enormous
amount of classified equipment/documents while experience what I have
just outlined. I know Fortenberry. If he was aboard that aircraft he
would be strapped in his seat, praising the Chinese pilot while
****ting his pants. Do you think our Kenny would have been able to
destroy any equipment while the aircraft is nearly inverted (upside
down, Ken) descending very quickly at a 30 degree angle? Yeah, neither
do I?

Kenny talks a great fight, but he has nothing. Thanks to Obama? Yeah,
for putting us in a debt we will never recover from. For monitizing
almost $2 TRILLION of our debt (buying it back).

The Russians and the Chinese are not who we should worry about. People
like Fortenberry are the real enemies and fill me with more fear than
I've ever had.

Would someone on roff do me a favor, please? Copy this and paste it in
another post. It seems our coward(s) Fortenberry (and the sock Todd)
has blocked my posts, or so he says.

BTW, Kenny. Most if not all the the men I served with in the Naval
Security Group that worked for NSA on the ground, in the air, on
surface ships and submarines were bright enough to get "real" jobs when
they left the military. The ones I am in communications with are all
wealthy and retired, living the good life. Most joined the military to
get a college education. Like me they made their fortunes AFTER they
served their country. They joined out of a sense of duty, and could
not get into any of the service's security groups (Navy, Army, Air
Force) without exemplary scores and very rigid back ground checks. Ask
Frank Reid. He served in the Air Force's equivalent. They are true
patriots, not cockroaches like you.

Dave
Cryptologic Technician (Technical) Chief, USN, ret

PS Remember when this happened, Kenny? I said we should send in a
couple of Tomcats and bomb the hell out of the EP3a but you were all
concerned about "collateral damage." Whose side are you on, Kenny?
Really? Whose side are you on?

On Nov 5, 2:30*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-11-05 14:51:59 -0400, Ken Fortenberry
said:

**** snipped:

Yep, that happend. *A Chinese mig was buzzing them in international
waters. *The mig driver made a bad mistake and collided with the EP-3a.
*The pilot of the mig died. *The Navy pilot managed to land the elint
collection aircraft on a Chinese island. *Very skillful driving whether
or not Fortenberry, the sexual intellect of roff, knows it.

So, let me get this right.....
A hotshot Chinese pilot flying a Sukoi Su-27 (NATO designation
Flanker), a single person, mach 2 fighter/interceper, along with
several *other* Su-27s are buzzing this EP-3a (an old Orion aircraft
from the 60's that drives veeeeeery slow). *The P-3 is flying 70 miles
from the nearest Chinese land, Hainan Island. *The Chinese pilot dies
(tuff ****, eh?), while the impact sends the EP-3 into a 30° dive at a
bank angle of 130°, almost inverted. It dropped 8,000*feet in
30*seconds, and fell another 6,000*feet *before the pilot, Lt. Shane
Osborn got the EP-3's wings level and the nose up. In a September 2003
article in Naval Aviation News, Osborn said that once he regained
control of the plane he "called for the crew to prepare to bail out."
He then managed to control the aircraft's descent by using emergency
power on the working engines, such that an emergency landing on Hainan
became a possibility. * That's what happened.

Now our sexual intellect Fortenberry, who has never flown in a military
aircraft let alone been on a ferret flight and has never served his
country in ANY way, has never risked his life nor had a tight ass
moment while in *any* military expects the crew to destroy an enormous
amount of classified equipment/documents while experience what I have
just outlined. *I know Fortenberry. *If he was aboard that aircraft he
would be strapped in his seat, praising the Chinese pilot while
****ting his pants. *Do you think our Kenny would have been able to
destroy any equipment while the aircraft is nearly inverted (upside
down, Ken) descending very quickly at a 30 degree angle? *Yeah, neither
do I?

Kenny talks a great fight, but he has nothing. *Thanks to Obama? *Yeah,
for putting us in a debt we will never recover from. *For monitizing
almost $2 TRILLION of our debt (buying it back).

The Russians and the Chinese are not who we should worry about. *People
like Fortenberry are the real enemies and fill me with more fear than
I've ever had.

Would someone on roff do me a favor, please? *Copy this and paste it in
another post. *It seems our coward(s) Fortenberry (and the sock Todd)
has blocked my posts, or so he says.

BTW, Kenny. *Most if not all the the men I served with in the Naval
Security Group that worked for NSA on the ground, in the air, on
surface ships and submarines were bright enough to get "real" jobs when
they left the military. *The ones I am in communications with are all
wealthy and retired, living the good life. *Most joined the military to
get a college education. *Like me they made their fortunes AFTER they
served their country. *They joined out of a sense of duty, and could
not get into any of the service's security groups (Navy, Army, Air
Force) without exemplary scores and very rigid back ground checks. *Ask
Frank Reid. *He served in the Air Force's equivalent. *They are true
patriots, not cockroaches like you.

Dave
Cryptologic Technician (Technical) Chief, USN, ret

PS *Remember when this happened, Kenny? *I said we should send in a
couple of Tomcats and bomb the hell out of the EP3a but you were all
concerned about "collateral damage." *Whose side are you on, Kenny? *
Really? *Whose side are you on?

Did you read Ken's post? He was talking about the OPERATING SYSTEM,
not all the other material you focused on. Hit him on what he said,
not on what you wanted him to say.

Dave

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 20:44:51 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:

On Nov 5, 2:30*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-11-05 14:51:59 -0400, Ken Fortenberry
said:


Did you read Ken's post? He was talking about the OPERATING SYSTEM,
not all the other material you focused on. Hit him on what he said,
not on what you wanted him to say.

OK, howsabout this - if Ken (or Seymour Hersh, etc.) actually knew anything
truly important about NSA or Navy security, he wouldn't be talking about it on a
FFing NG (and Hersh wouldn't be writing about it in New Yorker). I'd merely
point out that the ability to see what is being transmitted in no way translates
into the ability to understand what it means...a fact that he (and you, et al)
proves on regular basis...

HTH,
R


Dave

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 11:15:54 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:

On Nov 4, 9:39*am, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:48:12 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
Obama is truly pathological. When I suggested it
I was not employing a rhetorical device, I mean
it *- not rational.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Man, I don't think he's pathological...oh, he may not always be rational, but I
think it is excessive for you to call him "pathological."

HTH,
R
...oh, sure, you may THINK you are saying one thing, but WE know what you REALLY
mean...

Richard, outing you on this stuff just gets easier and easier. Here is
a cite. EVEN RUPPERT MURDOCK's WSJ gagged at your lie, well lets just
say the lie you passed on. WJS says your take is bullcrap. Do you even
care?

Not in the least.

HTH,
R

On 2010-11-05 23:44:51 -0400, DaveS said:

Did you read Ken's post? He was talking about the OPERATING SYSTEM,
not all the other material you focused on. Hit him on what he said,
not on what you wanted him to say.

Kenny's pathological hatred of the U.S. military has been obvious for
years, Dave. That's is what I was hitting him on. The crew did the
best that they could under the circumstances. The same with the
Pueblo. Kenny doesn't understand *anything* about national security,
and certainly nothing about the NSG or NSA.

On Nov 6, 5:26*am, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 20:44:51 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Nov 5, 2:30*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-11-05 14:51:59 -0400, Ken Fortenberry
said:

Did you read Ken's post? He was talking about the OPERATING SYSTEM,
not all the other material you focused on. Hit him on what he said,
not on what you wanted him to say.

OK, howsabout this - if Ken (or Seymour Hersh, etc.) actually knew anything
truly important about NSA or Navy security, he wouldn't be talking about it on a
FFing NG (and Hersh wouldn't be writing about it in New Yorker). *I'd merely
point out that the ability to see what is being transmitted in no way translates
into the ability to understand what it means...a fact that he (and you, et al)
proves on regular basis...

HTH,
R


Moron.

g.

wrote:
wrote:
Did you read Ken's post? He was talking about the OPERATING SYSTEM,
not all the other material you focused on. Hit him on what he said,
not on what you wanted him to say.

OK, howsabout this - if Ken (or Seymour Hersh, etc.) actually knew anything
truly important about NSA or Navy security, he wouldn't be talking about it on a
FFing NG (and Hersh wouldn't be writing about it in New Yorker). I'd merely
point out that the ability to see what is being transmitted in no way translates
into the ability to understand what it means...a fact that he (and you, et al)
proves on regular basis...

If you could tear yourself away from the whackosphere long enough
to actually read something you'd realize that the Chinese were
able to both intercept *and* decrypt US Navy intelligence from
2003 to 2008. Hersh quotes two retired Admirals who verify this
and the Navy does not deny it.

Compare this real scandal to the silly bull**** you rant about
which has been debunked by everyone from the Pentagon to the
Wall Street Journal and you understand why you appear to be such
a nutcase.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Nov 6, 5:43*am, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-11-05 23:44:51 -0400, DaveS said:

Did you read Ken's post? He was talking about the OPERATING SYSTEM,
not all the other material you focused on. Hit him on what he said,
not on what you wanted him to say.

Kenny's pathological hatred of the U.S. military has been obvious for
years, Dave. *That's is what I was hitting him on. *The crew did the
best that they could under the circumstances. *The same with the
Pueblo. *Kenny doesn't understand *anything* about national security,
and certainly nothing about the NSG or NSA.

Yep, Ken is skeptical and less than adulatory as to the US military.
And that gets old, ****es people off, me included, and gets a general
negative reaction. If you haven't noticed its not too popular an
attitude round here. It ****es me off about as much as his anti-Mormon
slurs.

But you are blind and insultingly quick to scream commie and socialist
and treason to anyone who questions or disagrees with your take on
various subjects. Anybody snidely call you a traitor lately? Nope?
Whatever you think, it is not because they see you as a soldier hero,
but is because such tactics are borish, craven and dishonest by most
peoples standards. Ken's post is factual. Your post is emotional.

But for all your spout, you walk right on past one of the major
security **** UPS of the Bush era. You pretend that it was too much to
expect the crew to get rid of the NSA OPERATING SYSTEM. AND it was too
much to expect the govt to prevent the Chinese and who knows who else,
from reading all our ****, by dawdling for 5 years, apparently to feed
favored beltway bandits. Most on this board have little appreciation
for what a big screw up this is. It sabotages HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF
INTELL INVESTMENTS .

This is MAJOR MAJOR. If you cannot see that, if you want to pretend it
was not a major failure of the last administration, of the Pentagon,
it is not Ken's loyalty that should be in question, but your
rationality. That the Obamites quietly fixed it was just too much for
you I guess? This ****up and coverup seriously impaired our national
security, and put at risk each and every American and especially our
servicemen and women. You know that.

You don't like the mouth you heard it from, but you know it is a big
deal. I am truly sorry I feel I have to write this in a public
forum.

Dave
And I noticed you did not compare these events with the LIBERTY, where
our surviving people were destroying material even after the Israelis
strafed and napalmed them. And the coverup of that betrayal continues.

On Nov 6, 3:26*am, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 20:44:51 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
On Nov 5, 2:30*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-11-05 14:51:59 -0400, Ken Fortenberry
said:

Did you read Ken's post? He was talking about the OPERATING SYSTEM,
not all the other material you focused on. Hit him on what he said,
not on what you wanted him to say.

OK, howsabout this - if Ken (or Seymour Hersh, etc.) actually knew anything
truly important about NSA or Navy security, he wouldn't be talking about it on a
FFing NG (and Hersh wouldn't be writing about it in New Yorker). *I'd merely
point out that the ability to see what is being transmitted in no way translates
into the ability to understand what it means...a fact that he (and you, et al)
proves on regular basis...

HTH,
R





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I think Yale must have put in some kind of logic requirement for
graduation since your full time visit.

Dave

DaveS wrote:
Yep, Ken is skeptical and less than adulatory as to the US military.
And that gets old, ****es people off, me included, and gets a general
negative reaction. If you haven't noticed its not too popular an
attitude round here. It ****es me off about as much as his anti-Mormon
slurs.

The history of the US military and likewise the history of the
Latter Day Saints provides precious little which would lead me
to conclude they are deserving of adulation. The former is a
history of necessary evil and the latter a history of a racist
cult theocracy which became, for all practical purposes, the
state religion of Utah.

I am able to respect a persons service in the military but I
cannot respect the military. I can likewise respect a persons
right to worship any way they please without respecting the
cult in which they worship.

And I can respect your right to be ****ed off. You'll get
over it.

--
Ken Fortenberry