Carp

Terry Lomax wrote:


If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely.


To many to use
Your cooking
skills not good enough to eat them?

I've never cooked them,, but have tried them cooked by people who claim
they cook them the best,, and they are still awful
Find someone who can utilize them
(any Asians in your community?)

No one wants them

The reason Carp flourish in the reservoirs is humans who dammed the
reservoirs.

Well everyone claims global warming,, dams produce energy with ZERO
pollution

If you want to see the true villain species, just look in the mirror.

It's good to have no limits on non-native Eurasian minnows (Carp, Grass
Carp, Bighead Carp, Silver Carp, Black Carp, and any similar species I
may have forgotten in this list), but in the very least, use them as
fertilizer.

We do ,, lake fertilizer

With all the poverty and the bad US economy, there are bound to be
people who would gladly eat Carp rather than starve.

What planet do you live on ?? the US economy is the best in the world
and the best it has ever been, find me one story, anywhere, where
someone starved to death in the US, in the last 12 months. It would be
in every news paper in the US.

Scoring, pickling, adding lots of spice.

I once caught a large Carp and took it to an Asian family. The husband
and I cleaned the Carp, the wife cooked it and showed me some pointers
on preparation, and it didn't taste bad.

The main problem I have with consuming Carp around where I live is the
Carp might have industrial pollutants from eating the gunk on the
bottom of polluted rivers. Once again, homo sapiens is to blame for my
not harvesting more Carp.

Bighead Carp seem to be the biggest danger to the environment where I
live, so I try not to release any I catch. Unlike Carp, who tend to
eat abundant stuff many native fish wouldn't consume in the first
place, Bighead Carp eat the plankton that are needed by baby fish and
by Paddlefish, thus Bighead Carp (and their close relative the Silver
Carp) destroy the entire food chain.

So do the common carp, they replace over 80% of all the native fish in a
body of water



--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney Long wrote:

No one wants them

Correction: nobody you know wants them.

The reason Carp flourish in the reservoirs is humans who dammed the
reservoirs.

Well everyone claims global warming,, dams produce energy with ZERO
pollution

Wrong. And the dams have varying water levels which cause the Carp
population highs. When water is high and gets backed up, there's ample
spawning ground. Typical of a hypocrite to bitch about Carp and
condone the dams that allow Carp to flourish. It would be best if dams
were decomissioned. It costs enormous amounts of money to maintain
dams.

Late last year an electric reservoir in Missouri failed, causing
catastrophic damage. This shows hydro dams are unsafe.

Dams also block fish migration, killing off nearly 100% of Salmonoids
in the Pacific Northwest. Hydro dams have killed off most of the
native Paddlefish in the Midwest.

We do ,, lake fertilizer

It's a sin to kill an animal without utilizing it. Perhaps some of the
killed Carp are eaten by turtles or crawdads, but many just rot and
smell and cause bacteria to multiply.

What planet do you live on ?? the US economy is the best in the world
and the best it has ever been, find me one story, anywhere, where
someone starved to death in the US, in the last 12 months. It would be
in every news paper in the US.

The USA has an extremely high rate of malnutrition and starvation. You
Bush apologists create a lot of this by going to war and creating
hundreds of thousands of homeless veterans. In addition, you Bu****es
favor the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer. The US
economy is terrible, with an alltime high of debt. Most Americans have
a negative net worth. Joblessness and underemployment are extremely
high. Most jobs are moved overseas. Why don't you walk down a street
in New Orleans or a similar Gulf city and see how great the conditions
are.

So do the common carp, they replace over 80% of all the native fish in a
body of water

They don't replace anything. You meathogs and murderers of "rough
fish" cause the increase in Carp population by:

1) Being meathogs and keeping large predators such as big Bass and huge
Catfish. Giant Catfish can put a dent in Carp overpopulations, but
most people who fish for Cat keep every Cat they catch. Good Cat
anglers release every Cat over a certain size, knowing the small/medium
Cat taste better and that the key to a good ecosystem is the release of
the top predators.

2) Murdering the biggest predators of Carp. The fish that keep Carp in
line the most are the Gars. Gar are extremely important to the
ecosystem, thinning out rough fish such as Shad and Carp. Gar get big,
so they can eat big rough fish too big for a Bass to eat.
Unfortunately, the same a-holes who murder some Carp also murder every
Gar they see. It's rare to see a bank without the carcasses of Gar who
were thrown on the bank by a-holes. Cracker rednecks often shoot Gar
with guns. Every time a Gar is killed, thousands of Carp and Gizzard
shad survive, and the sick and weak of all species stay alive and use
up oxygen, stunt all the fish, and the gene pool is worsened.

You Republicans also caused Carp overpopulation by killing off nearly
all the birds of prey with DDT, a substance your kind claims isn't
harmful. Were it not for DDT, eagles and hawks would remove a decent
number of Carp. Rednecks also shoot eagles and hawks on a regular
basis.

The main reason Carp "replace" other species is people pollute and
destroy a body of water, so the native species (who tend to be not as
tough as Carp) die out and the few fish that survive include Carp.
Some waters are so polluted, the only species who can survive are Carp,
Bullheads, and Green Sunfish.

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Terry Lomax wrote:


We do ,, lake fertilizer


It's a sin to kill an animal without utilizing it. Perhaps some of the
killed Carp are eaten by turtles or crawdads, but many just rot and
smell and cause bacteria to multiply.

You don't even know the food chain, and how even bacteria is absolutely
necessary in it,, man just open your eyes and look at the salmon run,
where "ALL" of them die at one time in their streams after they spawn


Are you not the very person,, who just posted they killed all big head
carp ? Talk about being a hypocrite,, your talking about yourself,

What planet do you live on ?? the US economy is the best in the world
and the best it has ever been, find me one story, anywhere, where
someone starved to death in the US, in the last 12 months. It would be
in every news paper in the US.


The USA has an extremely high rate of malnutrition and starvation.

I said show me,, you can't !!!!!! total left wing B.S. with no proof
and the rest of this post is not even worth wasting my time on,, all I
can say is get educated instead, of listening to propaganda. The left
wing news media would be all over a "single" person starving to death in
the US. Malnutrition is here, but it is due ""100%"" to people spending
what they have on illegal drugs, instead of feeding their kids, or
themselves, most homeless as well, are there for the same reason, or too
lazy to go out and get a job, wanting the government to support them,,
and guess what, the government does. I have never seen a hungry person
in the US not get a free meal "ANYWHERE", and EVERYWHERE, no one turns
down a person who needs a meal,, and the "I will work for food scam" is
just that, a scam, I watched a guy a few years ago take over 50
donations from motorist, and his girl friend (or wife) picked him up in
a "NEW" camaro, I know she was with him , because he opened the door and
jumped in before the car hardly stopped.

The Other B.S. is just that.

P.S.

You bet I am for the rich, I have never had a poor man, give me a job.
without the rich, we would indeed have starvation, and a ZERO economy

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Terry Lomax" wrote in message
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Rodney Long wrote:
MR Ed wrote:
Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

Ideally you don't condone wanton waste. Would guess you won't get any
business in Europe where Carp are appreciated.

If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely. Your cooking
skills not good enough to eat them? Find someone who can utilize them
(any Asians in your community?)


Yea, the Chinese eat carp. Probably tastes good too.
But, the people who I run into specifically fishing for carp
are almost always eastern Europeans,...Yugoslavians, Hungarians, etc.
Last time I fished for carp (just for kicks) I had thes people come up
to me and ask me if they could have the fish if I wasn't keeping it. Be my
guest.
Plus, a good Jewish Grandmother will turn a carp into gefilte fish.
I've also heard from alot of people that carp is actually good when smoked.
This I believe since smoking seems to make otherwise not-so-tasty fish
pretty edible. Those who adovacte eating carp tell me that carp caught in
winter are the best because they don't taste as muddy as in the warmer
months.
This makes perfect sense but I don't think I've ever seen a carp in
wintertime.
The same folks tell me that a carp should be kept alive in a bucket of water
for
a few days to get the "muddiness" taste out of the fish.
Anyway, I do think that we don't utilize the carp as much as we probably can
since
it's an important food fish in many parts of the world, even farmed in some
places.
I also think there is an incredible prejudice against this fish, apart from
the valid scientific
reasons as to why we ought to get rid of them.

Harold wrote:


MR Ed wrote:

If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely.

That's like saying, if you kill a cock roach, you must eat them, or give
them to someone to eat, same for coyotes (non native for this area).

I utilize carp completely,, I return them to the food chain, from which
they stole from, dead carp work great for adding nutrition back to the
water ecosystem


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney,

I myself had tasted carp in Russia when both my wife and I picked
our daughter. They
usually smoked them. Our hosts had told us to
cut out the mud vein or keep them alive for a
couple of days. The carp that they had tasted
very good.
I myself usually kill the carp and let the rest
of nature take care of it. I do enjoy the good
fight that they put up. Especially on a flyrod when a large one is
hooked. Try catching carp
on a flyrod or ultra light spinning rod.



Trouter

David Norris wrote:


I myself usually kill the carp and let the rest
of nature take care of it. I do enjoy the good
fight that they put up. Especially on a flyrod when a large one is
hooked. Try catching carp
on a flyrod or ultra light spinning rod.

I do both,, great, fun way, to get rid of vermin.

CARP are the enemy of all natural fishes, in any body of water,
uncontrolled, they become 80% (or more) of a body of water's, fish
bio-mass. Kill every carp you catch,, kill every carp you can get a shot
at :-),, you can have fun doing it, but "NEVER C&R A CARP", your doing
nothing good for the environment, if you do.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Having caught carp while fishing for other species, and fished just for
them, found they are excellent fighters as they get bigger. What turned me
off eating them was they felt mushy when handling them after being in the
fish bucket. I have had friends smoke Carp for me and surprisingly it is
not bad at all.

Have used live Carp about four pounds for bait in Lake Mead NV fishing for
large Catfish and Striped Bass. Caught a couple of Carp 20+ pounds and
thought I had the lake monster on the line. Most of the catch was returned
with maybe a few smaller ones brought home for fertilizer. Roses love Carp.

Yes they tend to disturb the bottom while feeding but found they would
survive in waters that would not support a lot of other more desirable fish.
Carp sure kept my interest in fishing as a kid in NY who had only a bicycle
to get anywhere. Everything has its place.


Rick



"David Norris" wrote in message
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Rodney,

I myself had tasted carp in Russia when both my wife and I picked
our daughter. They
usually smoked them. Our hosts had told us to
cut out the mud vein or keep them alive for a
couple of days. The carp that they had tasted
very good.
I myself usually kill the carp and let the rest
of nature take care of it. I do enjoy the good
fight that they put up. Especially on a flyrod when a large one is
hooked. Try catching carp
on a flyrod or ultra light spinning rod.



Trouter

Richard Eklund wrote:


Yes they tend to disturb the bottom while feeding but found they would
survive in waters that would not support a lot of other more desirable fish.


Carp "make" the waters so the more desirable fish can't survive

Carp sure kept my interest in fishing as a kid in NY who had only a bicycle
to get anywhere. Everything has its place.

I AGREE 1000%,, carp's place is Asia


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

I do agee that carp do tend disturb the bottom
of a lake,pond or river,when they feed on the
roots of aquatic plants. That tend to make the
water muddy.
I don't eat carp here,in the U.S.,I usually
kill the carp and feed the rest of wildlife on their
bodies. Also I seen people who use jugs for
going after large catfish,used small to meduim
sized carp for bait.
That is all that they are good for. Other than
than colored varieties known as Koi,for the pet
trade. And food for the otters,raccoons and
minks along the shores of our waterways.

Trouter