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  #51  
Old November 18th, 2005, 08:28 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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"It make me someone who wants to prevent thousands of cases of
suffering per day..."

Thousands?? I bet the number is closer to the tens of millions, if you
consider all those deep see trawlers. Hmmm, where are they going to get
all that ice...

"...and the lack of support here, and lack of complaints
about people like you makes this newsgroup suck."

Soupsandwich, I suggest you don't let the swinging door hit you on the
ass on the way out. There may be a bug on it that would suffer
needlessly.

--riverman

  #53  
Old November 18th, 2005, 11:02 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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So whats the game? It didn't sell over at talk.politics.animal, so you
posted it here to see if you could get a rise?

http://tinyurl.com/cp2zw

--riverman

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Old November 18th, 2005, 11:38 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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Sorry, you'll actually have to point out something I said and argue
against it. Don't you think it's good to know that ice could
anesthetize fish? Do you think that fish suffer when they're dying
after being caught?


dude, you've spent the better part of a day making it perfectly clear that
you have no clue what we do, and how. Perhaps an ice bucket to anesthetize
you before you babble more might be an idea....no, wait,
this thread is too much fun, and the weekend reading might be priceless!g
Tom


  #55  
Old November 18th, 2005, 11:39 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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riverman wrote:
So whats the game? It didn't sell over at talk.politics.animal, so you
posted it here to see if you could get a rise?


I'm not looking for a rise. I'm just posting it in appropriate
newsgroups. I think there might be one more, but cross-posting is
frowned upon, and I've been rethinking the ideas about what's least
painful. Maybe I'd ice the fish, then cut of it's head while it's
alive, but I don't think that's what Sarah Fox suggested (I wish Google
Groups would let me review the thread as I'm replying). Too bad there's
no official word on what's best.

And yes, I give insects at least a little thought too. If I squish
them, I squish them extra hard, and I still wonder if I'm doing the
right thing. I wish that was seen as too cruel rather than too
bug-loving. I won't worry about plants until I hear that they might
suffer.

  #56  
Old November 18th, 2005, 12:09 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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wrote in message
ups.com...
Wolfgang wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.


Or much of anything else, for that matter.


I doubt that ANYONE here believes that. Certainly nobody who matters.


Well, that raises an interesting question. Who among us really does matter?
I mean, I'm perfectly willing to concede your point......nobody who believes
what I say matters. But then we find ourselves in the rather peculiar
position of having to admit that there are particular people who are worth
less than ANY fish, ALL of which we KNOW matter, else why would we be
concerned about easing their path into that good night, right? But wait!
Common sense dictates that agreeing with me on one minor issue (after all,
the nature, volume, condition, or psig of what resides between your ears is
not likely to be regarded as an issue of great import by any thinking
person) can hardly be the only test by which an individual's worth can be
determined. There must be someone....somewhere....who isn't even aware of
what I think about all of this. So, what test shall we apply in these
cases? I sure wish you would help me out here.

Maybe you could make formal introductions. That's always helped a lot in
social encounters in my experience.


Maybe you should re-read the replies in this thread. There's nothing
remotely formal about it.


Exactly! That's my point! In all of these casual encounters, nobody pays
much attention to the time honored niceties of the ettiquette of killing
precisely because they ARE casual. It's just another example of the
pervasive erosion of civility that follows inevitably from the blithe
acceptance of an increasingly permissive society. I swear to you that if
you would simply bend your considerable intellect and energies to the formal
introduction of fishermen (and women, let us not forget) to their partners
in this dance of death (the fish, in case you've lost track) you would see
an immediate difference. Implausible it may seem, but I wouldn't be a bit
surprised if, once they got to know one another as individuals, they didn't
soon cease these senseless hostilities and, recognizing one another's worth,
decided to have crumpets together instead.

If my posts don't apply to the fisherman
here,


We'll ask him......as soon as he arrives. You see, he isn't actually here
right now. As a matter of fact, we haven't heard much from him at all
lately. We're starting to get a little worried.

they're still fishing related.


Who could doubt it? Has anyone said they are not? If so, name the bounder
and I will personally see to it that he is severely chastized and/or
rebuked.

Maybe people should pass on the
information instead of calling me sandwich names.


Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but I think just about everyone
here has already passed on the information. That's sort of what they've
been trying to tell you. Oh, and a rube is not a sandwich......you're
probably confusing it with a Reuben.

As for riverman's comments below (if you're reading this by date),


I'm actually reading this by candlelight, but I don't think that should make
a great deal of difference. Please, do go on.

you'd think I was asking people to actually go out of their way for
something. Just put some freaking ice in the water and you could
prevent the pain of suffocation, or club the fish.


Actually, you ARE asking people to go out of their way. Streamside ice
machines may be a common feature where you live, but here in the upper Great
Lakes region they just haven't caught on.......yet. As things stand (by
date) a fisherman (or woman) here would have to walk all the way out of the
stream, climb up an often slippery bank (the stairs are typically in a
terrible state of repair due to budget cuts), and stumble around in the
woods for miles and hours searching for the nearest ice. Well, actually,
it's not all that bad in the winter......but in July or August scaling the
fish would be moot by the time a sufficent quantity of ice could be found.
And THEN there's still the problem of carrying sufficient loose change to
plug into the machine.....IF it's even working!

That's all I'm saying.


It's enough.....believe me. Um......oh yeah, I guess that puts us right
back where we started, huh?

Actually, I wasn't even saying anyone should do that until I
was attacked.


Attacked? Oh, dear Sparky, you ain't seen nuthin' yet.

I was just mentioning that someone said it works.


Oh.....well.....if that's all......

Wolfgang


  #57  
Old November 18th, 2005, 12:17 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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wrote in message
oups.com...
...I won't worry about plants until I hear that they might
suffer.


I can hear broccoli scream when I drop it in boiling water. This is why I
always put it in ice cold water and then heat it very slowly over a low
flame. It takes an hour or so for it to come to a boil. The broccoli never
knows what hits it.

Baby lima beans cry when I eat their parents.

Wolfgang


  #58  
Old November 18th, 2005, 12:49 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...

Dave (who has yet to devour one of his offspring)


Neptune......being ironic.

Wolfgang
goya knew.


  #59  
Old November 18th, 2005, 12:57 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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Wolfgang wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Wolfgang wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...


I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.

Or much of anything else, for that matter.


I doubt that ANYONE here believes that. Certainly nobody who matters.



Well, that raises an interesting question. Who among us really does matter?
I mean, I'm perfectly willing to concede your point......nobody who believes
what I say matters. But then we find ourselves in the rather peculiar
position of having to admit that there are particular people who are worth
less than ANY fish, ALL of which we KNOW matter, else why would we be
concerned about easing their path into that good night, right? But wait!
Common sense dictates that agreeing with me on one minor issue (after all,
the nature, volume, condition, or psig of what resides between your ears is
not likely to be regarded as an issue of great import by any thinking
person) can hardly be the only test by which an individual's worth can be
determined. There must be someone....somewhere....who isn't even aware of
what I think about all of this. So, what test shall we apply in these
cases? I sure wish you would help me out here.


Maybe you could make formal introductions. That's always helped a lot in
social encounters in my experience.


Maybe you should re-read the replies in this thread. There's nothing
remotely formal about it.



Exactly! That's my point! In all of these casual encounters, nobody pays
much attention to the time honored niceties of the ettiquette of killing
precisely because they ARE casual. It's just another example of the
pervasive erosion of civility that follows inevitably from the blithe
acceptance of an increasingly permissive society. I swear to you that if
you would simply bend your considerable intellect and energies to the formal
introduction of fishermen (and women, let us not forget) to their partners
in this dance of death (the fish, in case you've lost track) you would see
an immediate difference. Implausible it may seem, but I wouldn't be a bit
surprised if, once they got to know one another as individuals, they didn't
soon cease these senseless hostilities and, recognizing one another's worth,
decided to have crumpets together instead.


If my posts don't apply to the fisherman
here,



We'll ask him......as soon as he arrives. You see, he isn't actually here
right now. As a matter of fact, we haven't heard much from him at all
lately. We're starting to get a little worried.


they're still fishing related.



Who could doubt it? Has anyone said they are not? If so, name the bounder
and I will personally see to it that he is severely chastized and/or
rebuked.


Maybe people should pass on the
information instead of calling me sandwich names.



Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but I think just about everyone
here has already passed on the information. That's sort of what they've
been trying to tell you. Oh, and a rube is not a sandwich......you're
probably confusing it with a Reuben.


As for riverman's comments below (if you're reading this by date),



I'm actually reading this by candlelight, but I don't think that should make
a great deal of difference. Please, do go on.


you'd think I was asking people to actually go out of their way for
something. Just put some freaking ice in the water and you could
prevent the pain of suffocation, or club the fish.



Actually, you ARE asking people to go out of their way. Streamside ice
machines may be a common feature where you live, but here in the upper Great
Lakes region they just haven't caught on.......yet. As things stand (by
date) a fisherman (or woman) here would have to walk all the way out of the
stream, climb up an often slippery bank (the stairs are typically in a
terrible state of repair due to budget cuts), and stumble around in the
woods for miles and hours searching for the nearest ice. Well, actually,
it's not all that bad in the winter......but in July or August scaling the
fish would be moot by the time a sufficent quantity of ice could be found.
And THEN there's still the problem of carrying sufficient loose change to
plug into the machine.....IF it's even working!


That's all I'm saying.



It's enough.....believe me. Um......oh yeah, I guess that puts us right
back where we started, huh?


Actually, I wasn't even saying anyone should do that until I
was attacked.



Attacked? Oh, dear Sparky, you ain't seen nuthin' yet.


I was just mentioning that someone said it works.



Oh.....well.....if that's all......

Wolfgang



Never argue with a fool. Others might not be able to tell the difference.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.
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Old November 18th, 2005, 01:01 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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"rw" wrote in message
k.net...

Never argue with a fool. Others might not be able to tell the difference.


Hee, hee, hee.

Wolfgang
wondering what descriptive label one might profitably apply to one who WILL
NOT learn.


 




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