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Old February 22nd, 2004, 10:25 PM
G. M. Zimmermann
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To anyone from Pennsylvania, partiularly the southeast portion of the state.
I was just out fishing on the Delayed Harvest ALO section of the Tulpehocken
when a gentlemen approched me and we struck up a convesation. He informed me
that he was a member of the loacl chapter of trout unlimited and that the PA
Fish & Boat commission was proposing changesing the reulations of the stream to
allow the use of bait during the period of time. Such a change would be
disasterous to the resident population of fish. Every other stream or lake
with trout in it in this area is basicly fished out during the spring trout
season, because most of the guys around here are only interested in catching as
many keepers as they can. The Tulpehocken is the one place where most of the
fishing pressure is from guys interested in catch and release. If any of you
are intersted in preserving this fishery and its current regulation, please let
the PA F&BC how you feel.
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Old February 22nd, 2004, 10:45 PM
just al
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I fish the Little Lehigh and Lehigh, among others in the Lehigh Valley
(redundant?). I drive 5+ hours from Upstate NY to do so. Education is the
key. A snelled hook with worm, corn, or bread with kill a fish. Teach the
bait fisherman to pinch barbs and use methods that hook lips rather than
gills is the key.

Perhaps a mandatory fisherman safety course (like hunter saftey) would be in
order nationwide?

"G. M. Zimmermann" wrote in message
...
To anyone from Pennsylvania, partiularly the southeast portion of the

state.
I was just out fishing on the Delayed Harvest ALO section of the

Tulpehocken
when a gentlemen approched me and we struck up a convesation. He informed

me
that he was a member of the loacl chapter of trout unlimited and that the

PA
Fish & Boat commission was proposing changesing the reulations of the

stream to
allow the use of bait during the period of time. Such a change would be
disasterous to the resident population of fish. Every other stream or

lake
with trout in it in this area is basicly fished out during the spring

trout
season, because most of the guys around here are only interested in

catching as
many keepers as they can. The Tulpehocken is the one place where most of

the
fishing pressure is from guys interested in catch and release. If any of

you
are intersted in preserving this fishery and its current regulation,

please let
the PA F&BC how you feel.



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Old February 23rd, 2004, 12:02 AM
Tom Littleton
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Default Attention Pa Fisherman: Special Regulations change

Ok, here I go again.......
GM Zimmerman writes:
Fish & Boat commission was proposing changesing the reulations of the stream
to
allow the use of bait during the period of time. Such a change would be
disasterous to the resident population of fish.


see prior post: "A Plea for Help". Beyond that, let me say merely...bull****!

Every other stream or lake
with trout in it in this area is basicly fished out during the spring trout
season, because most of the guys around here are only interested in catching
as
many keepers as they can.


really? I fish at least 5 or 6 other Berks county streams, and on all of them,
have caught trout in February and in August.
None have restrictive regulations, you just have to know what you are doing.

he Tulpehocken is the one place where most of the
fishing pressure is from guys interested in catch and release.


won't argue that, but doesn't make the Tully a superior stream.....not that I
would name any in the county better, but several have substantial streambred
populations, despite regs and stocking.

Tom

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Old February 23rd, 2004, 03:09 AM
Wolfgang
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"just al" wrote in message
...
...A snelled hook with worm, corn, or bread with kill a fish.


Lemme guess.....you really don't have a ****ing clue what the adjective
"snelled" means, do you?

Teach the
bait fisherman to pinch barbs and use methods that hook lips rather than
gills is the key.

Perhaps a mandatory fisherman safety course (like hunter saftey) would be

in
order nationwide?


Well, wherever you live would probably be a good place to start.

Wolfgang
so, why can't johnny read?


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Old February 23rd, 2004, 05:56 PM
John Lindsey
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Are they also planning on requiring circle hooks to be used with the bait?
California DF&G is starting to require circle hooks when bait fishing in
some salmon fisheries. CA DF&G claims circle hooks have far less mortality
than regular bait hooks. I haven't seen any studies that support circle
hooks.

Good luck!

John


"G. M. Zimmermann" wrote in message
...
To anyone from Pennsylvania, partiularly the southeast portion of the

state.
I was just out fishing on the Delayed Harvest ALO section of the

Tulpehocken
when a gentlemen approched me and we struck up a convesation. He informed

me
that he was a member of the loacl chapter of trout unlimited and that the

PA
Fish & Boat commission was proposing changesing the reulations of the

stream to
allow the use of bait during the period of time. Such a change would be
disasterous to the resident population of fish. Every other stream or

lake
with trout in it in this area is basicly fished out during the spring

trout
season, because most of the guys around here are only interested in

catching as
many keepers as they can. The Tulpehocken is the one place where most of

the
fishing pressure is from guys interested in catch and release. If any of

you
are intersted in preserving this fishery and its current regulation,

please let
the PA F&BC how you feel.



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Old February 23rd, 2004, 08:37 PM
Mike Connor
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"John Lindsey" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Are they also planning on requiring circle hooks to be used with the bait?
California DF&G is starting to require circle hooks when bait fishing in
some salmon fisheries. CA DF&G claims circle hooks have far less

mortality
than regular bait hooks. I haven't seen any studies that support circle
hooks.

Good luck!

John


Circle hooks were specifically devised for longline fishing, in order to
guarantee a mortality rate of 100%. They actually come close.

TL
MC


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Old February 23rd, 2004, 09:18 PM
Wayne Knight
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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Circle hooks were specifically devised for longline fishing, in order to
guarantee a mortality rate of 100%. They actually come close.


Perhaps you are thinking of something else? A quick google returned:

http://home.att.net/~sarasotadon/circle-hook.htm
http://www.ccact.org/circle_hooks.htm
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries...onal/crsb.html
http://www.floridamarine.org/feature...e.asp?id=20414


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Old February 23rd, 2004, 10:17 PM
Mike Connor
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"Wayne Knight" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

Circle hooks were specifically devised for longline fishing, in order to
guarantee a mortality rate of 100%. They actually come close.


Perhaps you are thinking of something else? A quick google returned:

http://home.att.net/~sarasotadon/circle-hook.htm
http://www.ccact.org/circle_hooks.htm
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries...onal/crsb.html
http://www.floridamarine.org/feature...e.asp?id=20414



Nope, do a search on "Longline hooks", or "Circle Longline Hooks".

Apart from which, I used them for a while. For some fly-fishing. Practically
all the fish I caught ( predominantly cod) ,were hooked in the throat, and
impossible to release unharmed. The main reason for commercial fishermen
using the circle hooks was that the fish was less likely to bleed, and
consequently did not die on the line. A dead fish which may have been dead
for a while, is not worth as much as live fish which can be freshly killed.

These hooks were used on stationary unmanned lines. Quite a few studies
have shown that the mortality rate on the lines when using such hooks is
very low when compared to "J" hooks. This is true. The hook up and hold
rates are also much higher, which in a commercial fishery means more dead
fish. Many fish which would have escpaed from "J" hooks, are unable to
escape from circle hooks. Owing to the jaw, lip and scissor hooking, (
thought to be as high as 95% in many cases and species), the fish does not
bleed, and does not die quite so quickly on the unamnned line. Also, hook
removal is facilitated.

The properties are explained here quite well;
http://www.stripersurf.com/circlehooks.html

Some other interesting bits and pieces;
http://www.sarasota-fla-fishing.com/circle.html

For most active fly-fishing, these hooks are quite useless. They do not
depend on the skill of an angler to set the hook. They depend on the fish
moving away with the bait, and this usually causes a lip or scissor hook up.
Any action on the part of the angler, apart from slowly tightening the line
as the fish moves away will either cause the fish to eject the hook, or
result in a bad hookup, in the throat etc.

Some species of fish ( like Cod) tend to engulf their prey, and basically
suck it down into their gullets. When they move, they are hooked in the
gullet.

For stationary, or "dead drift" fishing with either flies or bait, these
hooks are incredibly efficient. This is however not really fly-fishing, it
is more like trap setting. Which is precisely what the hooks were designed
for.

Sport anglers using such hooks will most certainly cause less fish
mortality, for several reasons. If they move the hook, they either lose the
fish, or hook it badly. Usually they will just lose it, although this depnds
on the feeding habits of the species involved. If they donīt move the hook,
the fish hooks itself, and usually in the lip, jaw or scissors. This is
then easy to release undamaged.

Most types of fly-fishing depend on the angler applying motion to the fly.
This will not work with circle hooks. If the angler may not move the fly,
then about 90% of flyfishing is no longer flyfishing as such, but more or
less the same as bait fishing.

TL
MC


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Old February 23rd, 2004, 10:21 PM
just al
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Lemme guess.....you really don't have a ****ing clue what the adjective
"snelled" means, do you?


I think snelled means to have a pre-tied thinner line tied to a hook before
tying it to the line.


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Old February 23rd, 2004, 10:30 PM
Mike Connor
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"just al" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

I think snelled means to have a pre-tied thinner line tied to a hook

before
tying it to the line.



Itīs not, itīs a knot.

http://www.marinews.com/fishing/Knot...k_hooksnel.htm

A snelled hook, is a hook attached to a piece of line using this knot.

TL
MC


 




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