A Quick Intro & Rod/Reel Question

That Aluminum Oxide Guides Suck!!! Regardless of whose blanks they are
mounted on! Shame on Shimano/G.Loomis for using them!

--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

The "rod expert" has spoken, I am taking all my sucky rods to the
dumpster and I am going to order custom rods with the finest hardware
known to man.. I will never allow a junk rod with Hardloy guides in my
boat again..

lol. . . . smart arse.

But you don't need to spend a fortune to get SiC guides, as BPS has the Rick
Clunn series on sale for $49.99 Making that rod a true bargain and one
that I would buy. I have fished this rod before and it is a nice rod for
the money ($100 at the time), so at 50% off, it would be a GREAT buy!

--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

See what I mean? ;-)

"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
I agree that this is a very nice place to be
when not on the water, but it's also like everywhere else in that you'll
find some of us are not so nice, some of the time. That's ok though
because
we're all human.

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
G. Loomis production
rods are really no better than any other production rod...

C'mon now Dave, you don't really believe this, do you? You think a $300
Loomis is no different than a $49 Bionic Blade? That's like saying that one
custom builder's rods are just as good as the next custom guy's. You know
as well as I do that there are vast differences in quality, components &
craftsmanship involved.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com

Craig, would you be kind enough to explain the difference between a high-end
Loomis & a BPS Bionic Blade rod of similar action & style? I'm not buying
Rodmaker's claim that all production rods are the same.

Thanks.

warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com

"Craig Baugher" wrote in message
news:aZ88c.66462$JL2.922796@attbi_s03...
I.F. Wrote "Well then, by who's rating can you justify any materials used
in
any rod. To me the IM rating indicates how much more Graphite being used
in
the blank. The IM6 material has less graphite and is more flexible, softer
and more forgiving, than an IM8 material. The IM6 Rating to me means that
it
will not break as easily as the IM8"

You missed the point, and your statements above are not true. A lower
modulus rating does not make a blank softer, more flexible or forgiving.
To
keep it simple, the higher the modulus rating the less material is needed
to
achieve the same stiffness per weight, thus meaning the blank is lighter
and
that is all. The action and power are determined by the design of the
taper
and wrap. A rod made with graphite rated at 54-million modulus can be
just
as flexible or more so than a rod made from graphite rated at 33-million
modulus.

In addition, a rod builder can enhance or dampen a blank's natural action
and power by the number, and method they use to wrap guides onto the
blank.

Look I.F., I'm not picking on you, or even trying to persuade you to buy a
high end rod. I just want you and others to know the facts about modulus
ratings and manufacturers identifiers and not to put too much weigh on
them
when deciding what rod you are going to buy. Nothing beats handling each
rod you want to consider for purchase and putting them through a series of
tests that includes making a cast or two with each before buying. I
cannot
stress enough the importance of making a cast with the lure weigh or
weighs
you intend to use with that rod, because a graphite rod will appear to be
much stiffer alone than it really is in use with a weighted lure, and no
two
rods manufacturers design their rods the same. Thus, a MH, fast action to
one company may be a M, extra fast to another. Sorry, there are no set of
industrial standards, guidelines or fixed rules that govern how a rod is
rated or built.

Cool?
--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

If you will just read the description of the rods you will for the most part
find that they use the same components . Surely you can't believe that they
have one grade of blank for a $49.00 Rick Clunn rod and another grade of
blank for a rod that they have a $270.00 price tag on.

Start by looking at the reelseat , "all" manufactured rods
use the same cheap reelseat. Doesn't matter if it is a Fuji.
I quit using those nasty locking hoods eight yrs.ago.It goes the same with
all of the components. They buy the cheapest they can at the best price they
can get. Whereas all rodbuilders I know but only 1st quality cork
grips,reelseats , etc.

Again, when producing thousands of rods a week , you cannot afford the
luxury of checking the spine on each blank . Time is money, the same goes
for correctly aligning guides in reference to the spine. The most common
trick of the mass producer is when they have a blank with a hook in it ,they
simply put the guides at 90 degrees to the bow. The weight of the guides
offsets the bow and will help straighten the blank. What you wind up with is
a rod that corkscrews. A real pleasure to fish with.

And technically custom builders use the same checks and balances when
building their rods. So yes technically they
will be close to the same. But where custom builders
differ is what they do "AFTER" they assembled the most perfect rod they can.
It is the personalization of the rod which helps to make it uniquely one
persons. And that you can't always put a dollar value.

Do I expect you to believe any of this Warren, maybe when pigs sprout wings
!

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
G. Loomis production
rods are really no better than any other production rod...

C'mon now Dave, you don't really believe this, do you? You think a $300
Loomis is no different than a $49 Bionic Blade? That's like saying that
one
custom builder's rods are just as good as the next custom guy's. You know
as well as I do that there are vast differences in quality, components &
craftsmanship involved.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com

The Clarus, Compre, or the Guide Series from Gander Mountain will be more
than adequate, JP. Either will suit you just fine and spinning gear is
certainly easier to cast in tight quarters. One thing that concerns me is
the heavy vegetation - it can get nasty 'round here in shallow waters, and
that creates a whole new set of problems/questions:

Remember folks, he's fishing from shore with limited room to maneuver - when
that fish dives he'll have to bring a TON of salad in with him. A MH/H rod
and a super line is in order, right?

Maybe not. That heavy action rod limits casting when you're perched beneath
the trees and within the bush. The limber tip on a M rod sure makes
flip/skip casting easier to control (as it'll take less effort), but it
might not have enough backbone to bring 'em in.

A lot depends upon what the preferred presentation(s) is, too.

JP, son, ya might consider two rigs.

-- Shawn


"J.P." wrote in message
...
I'm familiar with spinning gear and feel that it would best fit my needs
at
this time. I suppose I should have been more specific with my post. My
apologies.

J.P.

"AJH" wrote in message
...
Do you want a spinning or a baitcasting outfit?

Ah, that helps me understand why a guy can order a Loomis blank & get
another type instead, because they're exactly the same eh? The
personalization makes all the difference I guess.

Gotcha.

Warren

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
If you will just read the description of the rods you will for the most
part
find that they use the same components . Surely you can't believe that
they
have one grade of blank for a $49.00 Rick Clunn rod and another grade of
blank for a rod that they have a $270.00 price tag on.

Start by looking at the reelseat , "all" manufactured rods
use the same cheap reelseat. Doesn't matter if it is a Fuji.
I quit using those nasty locking hoods eight yrs.ago.It goes the same with
all of the components. They buy the cheapest they can at the best price
they
can get. Whereas all rodbuilders I know but only 1st quality cork
grips,reelseats , etc.

Again, when producing thousands of rods a week , you cannot afford the
luxury of checking the spine on each blank . Time is money, the same goes
for correctly aligning guides in reference to the spine. The most common
trick of the mass producer is when they have a blank with a hook in it
,they
simply put the guides at 90 degrees to the bow. The weight of the guides
offsets the bow and will help straighten the blank. What you wind up with
is
a rod that corkscrews. A real pleasure to fish with.

And technically custom builders use the same checks and balances when
building their rods. So yes technically they
will be close to the same. But where custom builders
differ is what they do "AFTER" they assembled the most perfect rod they
can.
It is the personalization of the rod which helps to make it uniquely one
persons. And that you can't always put a dollar value.

Do I expect you to believe any of this Warren, maybe when pigs sprout
wings
!

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
G. Loomis production
rods are really no better than any other production rod...

C'mon now Dave, you don't really believe this, do you? You think a $300
Loomis is no different than a $49 Bionic Blade? That's like saying that
one
custom builder's rods are just as good as the next custom guy's. You
know
as well as I do that there are vast differences in quality, components &
craftsmanship involved.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com

Welcome Jake!
Work brings me up to the Madison area every so often and the fishing
in some of the smaller ponds can be a ton of fun.

But I think for a $120 spinning combo, the debate of "are upper end
production rods as good as custom or mid price production rods" is a
little OT. But at you have probably already seen, we sometimes get
off topic. Keep in mind it is all fun (and unlike other boards/groups
we try to keep the personal attacks to a minimum). And some of the
best information that I have weaned from this group have come from
topics that took a tangent from the original course.

My only advise would be to shop the combo's from Bass Pro or Cabela's.
If you see one that you think looks good, let us know, and we will
give our opinion (good and bad).

Kurt

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:58:21 GMT, "Craig Baugher"
wrote:

lol. . . . smart arse.

But you don't need to spend a fortune to get SiC guides, as BPS has the Rick
Clunn series on sale for $49.99 Making that rod a true bargain and one
that I would buy. I have fished this rod before and it is a nice rod for
the money ($100 at the time), so at 50% off, it would be a GREAT buy!