How to pack waders for travel?

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:29:57 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote:
just a matter of luck, IMHO.

No. It's how many falls on rocks and deadfalls you can survive. No
luck involved.

I think it's more a matter of how many falls you *avoid*. I've got
the same pair of LLBean cheapies I bought 20 years ago and even
though they've shrunk ;-) they're still my backups for a new pair
of LLBean cheapies I bought last year.

Well, hell, if I AVOIDED as many as I have taken, I would have gone
through the G3s by now. Contrary to what Dickie thinks, I didn't buy
the G3s as a status symbol (Hell, I didn't even *know* they were a
status symbol. His, I imagine, are tailor made.) I have neuropathy
in my feet and legs - I fall whether I am wearing waders or not. Fell
this mornig walking the dog. Thankfully it was on the lawn of the
motel. I did not realize how sturdy the G3s were until I wore them
one season without repairs. *Five* seasons without repair *should* be
impossible, but isn't. I guess neuropathy in the legs, along with its
associated pain, is far better than Dickie's neuropathic head.


I never wear waders in the summer and I perform almost all of my
pratfalls in the summer. When I'm wearing waders in the winter I
hardly ever take a tumble.

Yeah, but you fish warm water. Believe me, if you do not wear waders
and the water is 62 degrees (the Rapid on Monday morning), the old
bones start to ache. Try the Bighorn with the air temp at 106 and the
water temp 53. I waded without waders and lasted ten minutes and was
not brave eough to get the family jewels wet. Try the Antikanak in
July with an air temp in the low fifties, matching the water temp, and
you'll wear waders just to keep warm when you are NOT wading. The
same in Alaska, Russia, and Patagonia. If I fished water warmer than
70 degrees, I too would not wear waders. Believe me, for me to own a
set of waders that do not leak after five years and almost 500 days in
them, is a miracle. If only my legs and hips were as sturdy!

Back in Maine..... for my grandson's wedding. No fishing......sigh

I don't know, a good wedding reception is almost as fun as fishing.

Great wedding. Some fun dancing and I didn't fall. Grand kids are
wonderful inventions.

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

On Jul 11, 9:43*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
On Jul 7, 8:40*am, wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
I figure the best way to store goretex waders is to hang them, but
what about packing them for travel? Do folks roll them up (if so, do
you do from the feet, or from the waist), or do you fold them, stuff
them in a pack, or just lay them haphazard in your travel bag?

I know that tents, for example, want to be stuffed to avoid putting
consistent folds in the same place, potentially causing a leak. But
what do folks do with waders?

--riverman

Geez, if you had a pair of Louiesque Simms G47 1/2 Superdupersportastic waders,
you could just hit the button above the one labeled "Better Caster," which is
the teleport button...don't let the "**** Off" label on it fool you...Simms just
labels it that way for knowledgeable guides...and they'd beam themselves where
you want 'em...just don't let a guide push it, or you'll find yourself
pallbearing at Michael Jackson's funeral or something...

HTH,
R

What waders do you use, rdean?
--riverman

*I have a variety for various purposes...(snip)

Irony Meter
I...I...I...I
^
--riverman


His "fashion" pair are made in Milano (err, that's Milan, Italy for
all of you plebeians, me included) by dwarfs, and his *sporting* pair
are made in London by fairies (yes, *that* kind of fairy), and come
with a zipper fly copied from Simms G4s. I understand they have knee
pads for some strange reason.

d;o)

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:

On Jul 11, 9:43*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
On Jul 7, 8:40*am, wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
I figure the best way to store goretex waders is to hang them, but
what about packing them for travel? Do folks roll them up (if so, do
you do from the feet, or from the waist), or do you fold them, stuff
them in a pack, or just lay them haphazard in your travel bag?

I know that tents, for example, want to be stuffed to avoid putting
consistent folds in the same place, potentially causing a leak. But
what do folks do with waders?

--riverman

Geez, if you had a pair of Louiesque Simms G47 1/2 Superdupersportastic waders,
you could just hit the button above the one labeled "Better Caster," which is
the teleport button...don't let the "**** Off" label on it fool you...Simms just
labels it that way for knowledgeable guides...and they'd beam themselves where
you want 'em...just don't let a guide push it, or you'll find yourself
pallbearing at Michael Jackson's funeral or something...

HTH,
R

What waders do you use, rdean?
--riverman

*I have a variety for various purposes...(snip)

Irony Meter
I...I...I...I
^
--riverman

Um, "irony meter?" How so - would you duck hunt in, say, neoprene FFing-type
waders? Or would you FF in duck-hunting waders? Having the proper "tool" for
the job, and needing several different tools, say, hammers, for several
different purposes, is completely different than having a gold-plated Gucci
hammer with a rhinestone grip. Of the ones I've bought, I've not spent over
about 100USD, nor would I. I've been given a coupla-three pairs over the years
and I have no idea what they were new, retail, but if they were $300-400.00,
whoever bought them at retail got screwed.

HTH,
R

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:04:33 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:09:23 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:51:24 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:51:40 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

just a matter of luck, IMHO.

No. It's how many falls on rocks and deadfalls you can survive. No
luck involved.

Back in Maine..... for my grandson's wedding. No fishing......sigh

That ought to be Simms new tagline:

"If you're a stumblebum klutz**** and a conspicuously-consuming statusweenie,
buy our waders!"

Whereas sensibly-priced companies can use,

"If you have at least half a brain and are capable of remaining upright,
these'll work pretty darned well..."

HTH,
R

You are such a putz, Dickie. I stumble because of health reasons.
Never did until I reached 65 some years ago. Conspicuously-consuming
statusweeie? Lol. Funy. I fish with an old Orvis rod and reel.
Lots of status there. G3s are good. For $400 five years ago, they
can not be beat. In the same length of time prior to the G3s, I went
through two of Orvis' crap and a set of Patagonias. Think I'll buy a
set of G4s just to **** you off. d;o) You are sooooo easy, Dickie.

Well, maybe, but I'm not the one who has spent about 100 posts of 50 lines
trying to rationalize his $400.00 rubber pants...

HTH,
R
....lessee - 100 posts X 50 lines...why, ****, it's almost like they're FREE!!!!

Davey

On Jul 11, 11:54*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
On Jul 11, 9:43*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
On Jul 7, 8:40*am, wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
I figure the best way to store goretex waders is to hang them, but
what about packing them for travel? Do folks roll them up (if so, do
you do from the feet, or from the waist), or do you fold them, stuff
them in a pack, or just lay them haphazard in your travel bag?

I know that tents, for example, want to be stuffed to avoid putting
consistent folds in the same place, potentially causing a leak. But
what do folks do with waders?

--riverman

Geez, if you had a pair of Louiesque Simms G47 1/2 Superdupersportastic waders,
you could just hit the button above the one labeled "Better Caster," which is
the teleport button...don't let the "**** Off" label on it fool you....Simms just
labels it that way for knowledgeable guides...and they'd beam themselves where
you want 'em...just don't let a guide push it, or you'll find yourself
pallbearing at Michael Jackson's funeral or something...

HTH,
R

What waders do you use, rdean?
--riverman

*I have a variety for various purposes...(snip)

Irony Meter
I...I...I...I
* * * * * ^
--riverman

Um, "irony meter?" *How so - would you duck hunt in, say, neoprene FFing-type
waders? *Or would you FF in duck-hunting waders? *

Heavens, no. So why the handmade vest? Are the off-the-rack ones so
completely unsuitable?

--riverman

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:58:18 -0500, wrote:

Well, maybe, but I'm not the one who has spent about 100 posts of 50 lines
trying to rationalize his $400.00 rubber pants...

Yeah! Ain't happiness great?

Putz!

Davey

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:52:24 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

BTW, got the G3s. It was a screaming deal, so all my cost-benefit
analyses were for naught. :-)

Great! You will enjoy the G3s, especially the fit of the bootie. Try
to avoid the green gasses, however.

Maine is finally in sunshine after almost 4 weeks of rain in June.
The wedding was outside and the day was perfect.

Dave

On Jul 12, 2:51*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:52:24 -0700 (PDT), riverman

wrote:
BTW, got the G3s. It was a screaming deal, so all my cost-benefit
analyses were for naught. *:-)

Great! *You will enjoy the G3s, especially the fit of the bootie. *Try
to avoid the green gasses, however.

Maine is finally in sunshine after almost 4 weeks of rain in June.
The wedding was outside and the day was perfect.

Dave

I've heard that the sun finally came out. I'll be back stateside on
Monday night; headed up to the American Museum of FF in Vermont for
Tuesday morning, then coming across to Maine by Tuesday night. I'll
pretty much have that week, Tuesday until Tuesday, to get free for
some fishing. Are you free during that time?

I already like the G3s...the booties themselves are a tad big, but I
really like how the legs fit like pants, so I get a lot less tired
hiking over rocks and trees, and man, are they durable! They already
survived getting stabbed by a razor-sharp sheath knife, poked by
umpteen trees and gouged by tons of sharp rocks. I also have stopped
wearing my fishing vest in some cases, as the extra pockets and zinger
come in incredibly useful. Also, the high top pretty much saved my
life when I went through the muskeg last week...my Orvis waders are
about 3 inches lower, and they would have filled with water while I
was hanging by my armpits.

--riverman

Dave LaCourse wrote: G3s are good. For $400 five years ago, they
can not be beat. In the same length of time prior to the G3s, I went
through two of Orvis' crap and a set of Patagonias.

Davey



ok...i bought my simms in 99 or 2000...9 years later, still going
strong, though they have some odd stains...i paid about $360 when i
bought them from appalachian angler fly shop located on hwy 105 between
boone and foscoe...hayden and theo copeland recommended the simms based
on their use and abuse of them fishing and guiding in carolina/tennessee
and alaska. don't know about alaska, but i think nc use and abuse is
the real measure of a wader...wading out west, in pa, and in maine isn't
comparable in my opinion and experience. rock/boulder hopping and
climbing, rhodo-smigoling, snake-slithering among rocks and rocky banks,
and the ass-whip hikes and falls in carolina freestone streams has
convinced me simms can't be beat for quality and durability. i've even
worn them in sal****er during the winter. for waders, they are
comfortable too. i'm sure the newer models are probably even more
comfortable. like others, i mainly wet wade during warm weather now
....but the simms always go along to fishing destinations and are still
used from time to time. there are probably other waders as good now,
certainly many cheaper...but on a cost to use/durability/comfort
analysis, i agree with dave and will stick with simms as long as i can
afford them. don't care what anyone else chooses, and don't think less
of them because (or even think about) the name of their wader. my friend
jim used to wade in things that looked like plastic garbage bags.
worked for him, not what i'd choose, and didn't affect his fishing as
best i could tell.

odd how some react to the simms brand though. i get the cost issue.
....but, during the rock creek gathering some years back, i got a simms
hat in the clave raffle, and wore it when warren and i went fishing the
next day on upper rock creek, and then on the travel back to
camp...which included a couple of bars. while in phillipsburg (?) - the
place with a two-lane bowling alley on the second floor, some guy at
the bar - a tourist like me - made a stupid and unsolicited comment
about the hat related to the name, and said he hoped i didn't fish in
their waders too. i think he was an allen bailey guy. my rejoinder, and
the exchange following it, wasn't pleasant... though he could easily
have whipped me had he chosen that approach, and though i probably
deserved a good whack in the mouth, i reckon i had that crazed, rabid
look after a full day of fishing, a snoot full of alkyhaul, and just
enough stream dirt n slime still on me, that made him decide it wasn't
worth the effort.

likewise, while i enjoy knowing other's experiences with products, and
value the opinions and recommendations of some, i figure i'm like most -
i'll look around and make my own mistakes, ultimately finding what suits
me best.

jeff

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:55:24 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:


Heavens, no. So why the handmade vest? Are the off-the-rack ones so
completely unsuitable?

Absolutely...they don't show off the green in my eyes...

HTH,
R


--riverman