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How to pack waders for travel?
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:29:57 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: "Tom Littleton" wrote: just a matter of luck, IMHO. No. It's how many falls on rocks and deadfalls you can survive. No luck involved. I think it's more a matter of how many falls you *avoid*. I've got the same pair of LLBean cheapies I bought 20 years ago and even though they've shrunk ;-) they're still my backups for a new pair of LLBean cheapies I bought last year. Well, hell, if I AVOIDED as many as I have taken, I would have gone through the G3s by now. Contrary to what Dickie thinks, I didn't buy the G3s as a status symbol (Hell, I didn't even *know* they were a status symbol. His, I imagine, are tailor made.) I have neuropathy in my feet and legs - I fall whether I am wearing waders or not. Fell this mornig walking the dog. Thankfully it was on the lawn of the motel. I did not realize how sturdy the G3s were until I wore them one season without repairs. *Five* seasons without repair *should* be impossible, but isn't. I guess neuropathy in the legs, along with its associated pain, is far better than Dickie's neuropathic head. I never wear waders in the summer and I perform almost all of my pratfalls in the summer. When I'm wearing waders in the winter I hardly ever take a tumble. Yeah, but you fish warm water. Believe me, if you do not wear waders and the water is 62 degrees (the Rapid on Monday morning), the old bones start to ache. Try the Bighorn with the air temp at 106 and the water temp 53. I waded without waders and lasted ten minutes and was not brave eough to get the family jewels wet. Try the Antikanak in July with an air temp in the low fifties, matching the water temp, and you'll wear waders just to keep warm when you are NOT wading. The same in Alaska, Russia, and Patagonia. If I fished water warmer than 70 degrees, I too would not wear waders. Believe me, for me to own a set of waders that do not leak after five years and almost 500 days in them, is a miracle. If only my legs and hips were as sturdy! Back in Maine..... for my grandson's wedding. No fishing......sigh I don't know, a good wedding reception is almost as fun as fishing. Great wedding. Some fun dancing and I didn't fall. Grand kids are wonderful inventions. |
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How to pack waders for travel?
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote: On Jul 11, 9:43*pm, wrote: On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: On Jul 7, 8:40*am, wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: I figure the best way to store goretex waders is to hang them, but what about packing them for travel? Do folks roll them up (if so, do you do from the feet, or from the waist), or do you fold them, stuff them in a pack, or just lay them haphazard in your travel bag? I know that tents, for example, want to be stuffed to avoid putting consistent folds in the same place, potentially causing a leak. But what do folks do with waders? --riverman Geez, if you had a pair of Louiesque Simms G47 1/2 Superdupersportastic waders, you could just hit the button above the one labeled "Better Caster," which is the teleport button...don't let the "**** Off" label on it fool you...Simms just labels it that way for knowledgeable guides...and they'd beam themselves where you want 'em...just don't let a guide push it, or you'll find yourself pallbearing at Michael Jackson's funeral or something... HTH, R What waders do you use, rdean? --riverman *I have a variety for various purposes...(snip) Irony Meter I...I...I...I ^ --riverman His "fashion" pair are made in Milano (err, that's Milan, Italy for all of you plebeians, me included) by dwarfs, and his *sporting* pair are made in London by fairies (yes, *that* kind of fairy), and come with a zipper fly copied from Simms G4s. I understand they have knee pads for some strange reason. d;o) |
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How to pack waders for travel?
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
On Jul 11, 9:43*pm, wrote: On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: On Jul 7, 8:40*am, wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: I figure the best way to store goretex waders is to hang them, but what about packing them for travel? Do folks roll them up (if so, do you do from the feet, or from the waist), or do you fold them, stuff them in a pack, or just lay them haphazard in your travel bag? I know that tents, for example, want to be stuffed to avoid putting consistent folds in the same place, potentially causing a leak. But what do folks do with waders? --riverman Geez, if you had a pair of Louiesque Simms G47 1/2 Superdupersportastic waders, you could just hit the button above the one labeled "Better Caster," which is the teleport button...don't let the "**** Off" label on it fool you...Simms just labels it that way for knowledgeable guides...and they'd beam themselves where you want 'em...just don't let a guide push it, or you'll find yourself pallbearing at Michael Jackson's funeral or something... HTH, R What waders do you use, rdean? --riverman *I have a variety for various purposes...(snip) Irony Meter I...I...I...I ^ --riverman Um, "irony meter?" How so - would you duck hunt in, say, neoprene FFing-type waders? Or would you FF in duck-hunting waders? Having the proper "tool" for the job, and needing several different tools, say, hammers, for several different purposes, is completely different than having a gold-plated Gucci hammer with a rhinestone grip. Of the ones I've bought, I've not spent over about 100USD, nor would I. I've been given a coupla-three pairs over the years and I have no idea what they were new, retail, but if they were $300-400.00, whoever bought them at retail got screwed. HTH, R |
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How to pack waders for travel?
On Jul 11, 11:54*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: On Jul 11, 9:43*pm, wrote: On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: On Jul 7, 8:40*am, wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: I figure the best way to store goretex waders is to hang them, but what about packing them for travel? Do folks roll them up (if so, do you do from the feet, or from the waist), or do you fold them, stuff them in a pack, or just lay them haphazard in your travel bag? I know that tents, for example, want to be stuffed to avoid putting consistent folds in the same place, potentially causing a leak. But what do folks do with waders? --riverman Geez, if you had a pair of Louiesque Simms G47 1/2 Superdupersportastic waders, you could just hit the button above the one labeled "Better Caster," which is the teleport button...don't let the "**** Off" label on it fool you....Simms just labels it that way for knowledgeable guides...and they'd beam themselves where you want 'em...just don't let a guide push it, or you'll find yourself pallbearing at Michael Jackson's funeral or something... HTH, R What waders do you use, rdean? --riverman *I have a variety for various purposes...(snip) Irony Meter I...I...I...I * * * * * ^ --riverman Um, "irony meter?" *How so - would you duck hunt in, say, neoprene FFing-type waders? *Or would you FF in duck-hunting waders? * Heavens, no. So why the handmade vest? Are the off-the-rack ones so completely unsuitable? --riverman |
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How to pack waders for travel?
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:52:24 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote: BTW, got the G3s. It was a screaming deal, so all my cost-benefit analyses were for naught. :-) Great! You will enjoy the G3s, especially the fit of the bootie. Try to avoid the green gasses, however. Maine is finally in sunshine after almost 4 weeks of rain in June. The wedding was outside and the day was perfect. Dave |
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How to pack waders for travel?
On Jul 12, 2:51*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:52:24 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: BTW, got the G3s. It was a screaming deal, so all my cost-benefit analyses were for naught. *:-) Great! *You will enjoy the G3s, especially the fit of the bootie. *Try to avoid the green gasses, however. Maine is finally in sunshine after almost 4 weeks of rain in June. The wedding was outside and the day was perfect. Dave I've heard that the sun finally came out. I'll be back stateside on Monday night; headed up to the American Museum of FF in Vermont for Tuesday morning, then coming across to Maine by Tuesday night. I'll pretty much have that week, Tuesday until Tuesday, to get free for some fishing. Are you free during that time? I already like the G3s...the booties themselves are a tad big, but I really like how the legs fit like pants, so I get a lot less tired hiking over rocks and trees, and man, are they durable! They already survived getting stabbed by a razor-sharp sheath knife, poked by umpteen trees and gouged by tons of sharp rocks. I also have stopped wearing my fishing vest in some cases, as the extra pockets and zinger come in incredibly useful. Also, the high top pretty much saved my life when I went through the muskeg last week...my Orvis waders are about 3 inches lower, and they would have filled with water while I was hanging by my armpits. --riverman |
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How to pack waders for travel?
Dave LaCourse wrote: G3s are good. For $400 five years ago, they
can not be beat. In the same length of time prior to the G3s, I went through two of Orvis' crap and a set of Patagonias. Davey ok...i bought my simms in 99 or 2000...9 years later, still going strong, though they have some odd stains...i paid about $360 when i bought them from appalachian angler fly shop located on hwy 105 between boone and foscoe...hayden and theo copeland recommended the simms based on their use and abuse of them fishing and guiding in carolina/tennessee and alaska. don't know about alaska, but i think nc use and abuse is the real measure of a wader...wading out west, in pa, and in maine isn't comparable in my opinion and experience. rock/boulder hopping and climbing, rhodo-smigoling, snake-slithering among rocks and rocky banks, and the ass-whip hikes and falls in carolina freestone streams has convinced me simms can't be beat for quality and durability. i've even worn them in sal****er during the winter. for waders, they are comfortable too. i'm sure the newer models are probably even more comfortable. like others, i mainly wet wade during warm weather now ....but the simms always go along to fishing destinations and are still used from time to time. there are probably other waders as good now, certainly many cheaper...but on a cost to use/durability/comfort analysis, i agree with dave and will stick with simms as long as i can afford them. don't care what anyone else chooses, and don't think less of them because (or even think about) the name of their wader. my friend jim used to wade in things that looked like plastic garbage bags. worked for him, not what i'd choose, and didn't affect his fishing as best i could tell. odd how some react to the simms brand though. i get the cost issue. ....but, during the rock creek gathering some years back, i got a simms hat in the clave raffle, and wore it when warren and i went fishing the next day on upper rock creek, and then on the travel back to camp...which included a couple of bars. while in phillipsburg (?) - the place with a two-lane bowling alley on the second floor, some guy at the bar - a tourist like me - made a stupid and unsolicited comment about the hat related to the name, and said he hoped i didn't fish in their waders too. i think he was an allen bailey guy. my rejoinder, and the exchange following it, wasn't pleasant... though he could easily have whipped me had he chosen that approach, and though i probably deserved a good whack in the mouth, i reckon i had that crazed, rabid look after a full day of fishing, a snoot full of alkyhaul, and just enough stream dirt n slime still on me, that made him decide it wasn't worth the effort. likewise, while i enjoy knowing other's experiences with products, and value the opinions and recommendations of some, i figure i'm like most - i'll look around and make my own mistakes, ultimately finding what suits me best. jeff |
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How to pack waders for travel?
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:55:24 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
Heavens, no. So why the handmade vest? Are the off-the-rack ones so completely unsuitable? Absolutely...they don't show off the green in my eyes... HTH, R --riverman |
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