The Sport of Carp Fishing

Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.
And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...

I hope I will at least make you thinking.
"E." wrote in message
...
Rodney Long wrote:
greg wrote:

As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all
native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that
carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing
every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some
DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to
get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game
fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R
them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of
water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no
protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!!

We have the same problem here with spotty carp, AKA trout, which are about
the only large fish left in upland waterways. The original inhabitants
have been outstocked, then outbred by trout.
Suggestions of making some streams trout-free to give natives a chance is
met by howls of derision. I hope the same situation never occurs with
carp.

Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting
them in huge numbers.

They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,
E.

Greg, please go to www.rofb.org and read the charter, FAQ, and posting
guidelines for this group and stop off topic cross posting!

You are more than welcome to join into and contribute to rofb with on
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:21:43 -0500, "greg" sent
into the ether:

Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.
And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...

I hope I will at least make you thinking.
"E." wrote in message
...
Rodney Long wrote:
greg wrote:

As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all
native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that
carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing
every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some
DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to
get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game
fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R
them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of
water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no
protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!!

We have the same problem here with spotty carp, AKA trout, which are about
the only large fish left in upland waterways. The original inhabitants
have been outstocked, then outbred by trout.
Suggestions of making some streams trout-free to give natives a chance is
met by howls of derision. I hope the same situation never occurs with
carp.

Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting
them in huge numbers.

They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,
E.





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Tom G wrote:
I
always thought that fish sandwich at McDonalds had a familiar taste to it.
Tom G.

Those are 100% shark, at least they were, as I had a friend that had the
contract with supplying them shark meat 20 years ago, The reason they
used shark is because it has no bones, Think about the law suit if
someone got a carp bone stuck in their throat


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greg wrote:

Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?

In a heart beat, and it's brilliant, not stupid, would do the same for
snake heads, and all those other carp that are now taking over. It's
called PEST CONTROL, no different than killing rats, as carp are the
rats of the water. I guess you think it's cruel to set a mouse trap in
your house ? Do you teach your kids that roaches are nice and should
never be killed ?

I'm a person who will remove a rattle snake from my property without
harming it, because they control the rats, they have a place here, they
are native, plus they are just fun to catch unharmed

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.
And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?

NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and just not me, but the biologist feel the same way, the guys who
actually know, they don't let their beliefs get in the way of the facts.

In some places carp, are the only fish in the water, in many more areas
carp are over 80% of the fish Bio-mass. They had to displaced all the
native species, to get there.

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...

Non native fish, are the only ones we take out, those listed eat bass,
that improves the bass size and quality, taking out numbers that
actually need to be, to keep bass from over populating, and being
stunted, carp keep bass from spawning, eliminating them, carp also
disrupt the native food chain for bass, and other species

I hope I will at least make you thinking.

Yep, that I must now target more carp, because Stupid people like you
are C&R them, and teaching other to do it. I'm all for people catching
carp for fun,, JUST KILL THEM, there is absolutely no reason for C&R of
carp, their numbers are HUGE, and getting bigger. You release a 30 lb
female carp, and you just put half a million more carp in the water next
year. People like you, want us, to give up on all other fishing, just
like you have. It's not going to happen, without a fight.




--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Pepperoni wrote:

"E." wrote in message
...

They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,



Looking forward to April 1. Net season runs for 2 months here in Michigan,
(lower, upper has a 1 month season starting a month later)

I have a new net on the way, my ropes are ready to go,

I love killing carp in large numbers.

Did you know that netters catch as many fish on the bottom of the net as the
top? (8x8 net lays flat on the bottom)
Next carp you catch, examine the dorsal fin. There is a saw-toothed spine
that catches in the mesh and a 30 pounder can be lifted only by the spine.
You can tell when you've set your net on top of a big one. The whole
assembly starts shaking and bouncing around. Wait a few to insure the mesh
catches the barbs. Funny sight , pulling 3-4 carp up by a single fin and
all hanging below the net.

I'll post some pictures in a few weeks.


Pepperoni

Many useful tactics are banned in many waterways here. Bow/spear fishing
is also totally banned.
E.

greg wrote:

Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?

Yes. I'd also teach them *why*, i.e. they are a pest. While i'm at it
I'd teach them correct handling and release techniques for natives.

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.

As I'm not in the US I will never 'become' a US native. Any exotic
species can *never* become native. It can become dominant or established.

And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law.

No it isn't. 1 quick smack thru the spine with a tomahawk is quick,
clean and efficient. And it's not a matter of showing off.

I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?

They will never be native. They are also a pest. Also feral cats, dogs,
horses, foxes, goats, camels, pigs, rabbits, cane toads, mynahs and
starlings belong on that list.

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...

As already stated, I don't target bass. I target carp/trout exclusively
during native closed season as even a properly handled CnR native will
reabsorp it's eggs if caught during breeding season. Also carp hoover up
the natives eggs, so the less carp in a particular waterway, the better.

I hope I will at least make you thinking.
Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should
be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible.
This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught.
E.

The people who complain loudest are the same ones who fished out the Grand
Banks (now working on the North Sea)
At least Killing Carp allows edible fish a chance. A 3 pound carp (if you
can find one that small) Will smack a crawler like a 10 pound bass, streak
off like a bonefish and jump 4-5 times. At 10 pounds and over they are all
shoulders and brute strength with a blistering first run. On the river he
will head down current and you have to turn him before your line gives out.
Get him headed upcurrent and he's yours, play him like a salmon, just
enough weight to turn him onto the beach on his own power.

Yeah, I like 'em, but about 90% of them have got to go.

I have some pictures of carp spawning against a wall dam. The flatheads
feed on the spawn and a good time is had by all.
http://home.comcast.net/~thuxton/gonefishin02.htm

Pepperoni




"Brendan" wrote in message ...
Our best largemouth bass water here in the Western Cape in South Africa
was destroyed after carp established themselves. (Theewaterskloof.) A 400
million cubic meter dam that was once slightly tea stained is now a
mud-bowl and where it was once possible to land five or ten two kilo +
bass you are lucky if you catch one or two of 500 grams.

A male bass of a kilo doesn't stand a chance against a 10 kg carp intent
on rooting up the bottom thus covering the nest in silt.

If you care about bass fishing in your area you will kill every single
carp you catch.

Carp are as bad as some people say.

"
They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,



Looking forward to April 1. Net season runs for 2 months here in
Michigan, (lower, upper has a 1 month season starting a month later)

I have a new net on the way, my ropes are ready to go,

I love killing carp in large numbers.

Did you know that netters catch as many fish on the bottom of the net as
the top? (8x8 net lays flat on the bottom)
Next carp you catch, examine the dorsal fin. There is a saw-toothed
spine that catches in the mesh and a 30 pounder can be lifted only by
the spine. You can tell when you've set your net on top of a big one.
The whole assembly starts shaking and bouncing around. Wait a few to
insure the mesh catches the barbs. Funny sight , pulling 3-4 carp up by
a single fin and all hanging below the net.

I'll post some pictures in a few weeks.


Pepperoni

Many useful tactics are banned in many waterways here. Bow/spear fishing
is also totally banned.
E.


No Dynamite, huh?

They let us kill carp and very few rough fish. Suckers are running, though.
In that cold water, they are firm and sweet. They actually seem to trust us
a lot. We often pull game fish and just lower them gently. (maybe take a
quick picture without removing from the net.) Pulled a female bass over 15
pounds once. Guy walking past nearly had a heart attack. Big female with
the V belly full of eggs and tiny looking tail. At least I had a witness,
for about 15 seconds for a look. Another 15 second and I would have been
plotting taxidermy. Close call. State record walleye? We see a couple a
year. They are out there, boys.

Dip netting will teach you how fish move in the river.

Pepperoni

It would be much appreciated if you guys would notice the reply address and
remove R.O.F.B. from the return reply. Cross posting is a major accepted
No-No.


"Pepperoni" wrote in message
. ..

"
They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,



Looking forward to April 1. Net season runs for 2 months here in
Michigan, (lower, upper has a 1 month season starting a month later)

I have a new net on the way, my ropes are ready to go,

I love killing carp in large numbers.

Did you know that netters catch as many fish on the bottom of the net as
the top? (8x8 net lays flat on the bottom)
Next carp you catch, examine the dorsal fin. There is a saw-toothed
spine that catches in the mesh and a 30 pounder can be lifted only by
the spine. You can tell when you've set your net on top of a big one.
The whole assembly starts shaking and bouncing around. Wait a few to
insure the mesh catches the barbs. Funny sight , pulling 3-4 carp up by
a single fin and all hanging below the net.

I'll post some pictures in a few weeks.


Pepperoni

Many useful tactics are banned in many waterways here. Bow/spear fishing
is also totally banned.
E.


No Dynamite, huh?

They let us kill carp and very few rough fish. Suckers are running,
though. In that cold water, they are firm and sweet. They actually seem
to trust us a lot. We often pull game fish and just lower them gently.
(maybe take a quick picture without removing from the net.) Pulled a
female bass over 15 pounds once. Guy walking past nearly had a heart
attack. Big female with the V belly full of eggs and tiny looking tail.
At least I had a witness, for about 15 seconds for a look. Another 15
second and I would have been plotting taxidermy. Close call. State
record walleye? We see a couple a year. They are out there, boys.

Dip netting will teach you how fish move in the river.

Pepperoni

"E." wrote in message
...
Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should
be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible.
This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught.
E.


counterpoint:
Carp in Australia do not have the reputation that they do in Europe. In fact
they are positively hated in many areas. A lot of misinformation has created
this situation. The Carp has become a scape goat, bad farming and irrigation
practises have increased salt levels and nutrient levels poisoning the land
and subsequently the waterways. The Carp is blamed for...Muddying the
water...undermining the banks.... killing all the weed....killing the native
species.... causing trees to fall in the waterways. The list of its
diabolical actions is legion but at the end of the day man is to blame for
the problem.

That said...it must be pointed out that there were and still are areas that
suffer from what amounts to be infestation. Huge numbers of Carp have at
times congregated in waterways that do not have a hope of supporting the
biomass. Unfortunately these gatherings have been interpreted as breeding,
the chances are that the majority of these fish perished in a fight for
survival. Native species like Murray Cod are in some areas making a come
back. They are using the Carp as a food source.......Don't you just love
mother nature.....she'll be right....given time!!!!

http://www.coarsefishing.ws/carpage.htm