Catch & Release

Calif Bill wrote:

Yes. Do not make any animal suffer for long periods of time when it is
avoidable.
Bill

Now Bill many people (not those on this list nor me) you hooking the
fish in the first place does this.

Get my point :-)

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Calif Bill wrote:

Yes. Do not make any animal suffer for long periods of time when it is
avoidable.
Bill

Now Bill many people (not those on this list nor me) you hooking the
fish in the first place does this.

Get my point :-)

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
But I said most of
us wouldn't toss a dink bass onto the deck of the boat and I think
that's true. While it may be legal, I was taught differently.

I think casually tossing a dink bass to the dog demonstrates a lack
of character, but I am not suggesting that anyone should be arrested
or fined for lacking character.

So now you say anyone without your ethics has no character,,

I said no such thing. I have left what I did say right there
on your screen. Do not put words in my mouth.

or is it
just George has none? :-)

I'll leave that alone.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Rodney . wrote in news:10hksu1lfqh7g64
@corp.supernews.com:

So Crig,, you were believing an Urban myth about private ponds, you
evidently over heard someone saying this,, nothing wrong with being
wrong, if you admit it :-)

Well, here's the law in NY
*********
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...l?frame=right2
&code=NY&ls=claws&law=37&art=33

" 2. The department may issue to the owner or lessee of a farm fish pond
a license, effective for a period of five years, entitling the holder to
manage such fish pond for the production of fish. The department shall
fix the terms of each such license and may include therein (a)
permission to control undesirable fish, aquatic vegetation and insect
life, interfering with the production of fish and (b) permission,
notwithstanding any other provisions of this chapter to the contrary, to
release, stock and propagate fish in the licensed pond. The department
may specify in the license methods of control to be used and the manner
of taking and type, size and mesh of gear to be used in taking fish. The
department may, for cause, revoke or suspend any license issued pursuant
to this section."
***********
Without a permit like this, the owner has to abide by everyday regs. You
couldn't keep largemouth under a foot, if you cull a legal fish, it
counts
toward your limit of five, and "wanton waste" might apply if you leave it
on the ground--depends on if you **** off the conservation officer.

Also, note that the size limit of such a pond is 10 acres, pretty small.
If bigger, an owner needs to apply for a "fishing preserve" permit, which
costs money and is more heavily regulated.


I don't know what procedure, if any, you need to go through to kill off
the fish and drain the pond. I would venture a guess that you should
have your management license modified to reflect the kill off before you
drain the pond. If it were my pond, that's how I would do it.

Scott

Rodney . wrote in news:10hksu1lfqh7g64
@corp.supernews.com:

So Crig,, you were believing an Urban myth about private ponds, you
evidently over heard someone saying this,, nothing wrong with being
wrong, if you admit it :-)

Well, here's the law in NY
*********
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...l?frame=right2
&code=NY&ls=claws&law=37&art=33

" 2. The department may issue to the owner or lessee of a farm fish pond
a license, effective for a period of five years, entitling the holder to
manage such fish pond for the production of fish. The department shall
fix the terms of each such license and may include therein (a)
permission to control undesirable fish, aquatic vegetation and insect
life, interfering with the production of fish and (b) permission,
notwithstanding any other provisions of this chapter to the contrary, to
release, stock and propagate fish in the licensed pond. The department
may specify in the license methods of control to be used and the manner
of taking and type, size and mesh of gear to be used in taking fish. The
department may, for cause, revoke or suspend any license issued pursuant
to this section."
***********
Without a permit like this, the owner has to abide by everyday regs. You
couldn't keep largemouth under a foot, if you cull a legal fish, it
counts
toward your limit of five, and "wanton waste" might apply if you leave it
on the ground--depends on if you **** off the conservation officer.

Also, note that the size limit of such a pond is 10 acres, pretty small.
If bigger, an owner needs to apply for a "fishing preserve" permit, which
costs money and is more heavily regulated.


I don't know what procedure, if any, you need to go through to kill off
the fish and drain the pond. I would venture a guess that you should
have your management license modified to reflect the kill off before you
drain the pond. If it were my pond, that's how I would do it.

Scott

Depends on the state. Licensed bird clubs here (Calif.) can shoot about 9
months a year. They also have to release some amount more of the birds than
they shoot.
Bill

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
That's not exactly true. Look at what pheasant farms do for dog training.
You can hunt pheasant on those farms all year long. Deer can be hunted
the
same way with a fence if you bought and paid for the deer assuming no deer
were in place to begin with. It is possible that these laws very from
state
to state. I am pretty certain that in Ohio, if the pond does not drain
into
public waters, you can do whatever you want.

Jeff


"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
news
I believe the same thing applies to farmlands and hunting. So if I own
500
acres... can I legally harvest deer from there 365 days a year? Nope!


"Craig" wrote in message
news:ACWRc.100687$8_6.30108@attbi_s04...
In Michigan, my pond or my lake means I own the hole, but once water
enters
that hole, the state of Michigan has regulation over the water and the
wildlife that is in it or on it. I can maintain it (meaning I can
stock
it
how I please), but if the state HAS any knowledge of that pond, limit
laws
can be enforced and it can never be drained without DEQ's permission -
under
the laws that govern wetlands.




--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

Depends on the state. Licensed bird clubs here (Calif.) can shoot about 9
months a year. They also have to release some amount more of the birds than
they shoot.
Bill

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
That's not exactly true. Look at what pheasant farms do for dog training.
You can hunt pheasant on those farms all year long. Deer can be hunted
the
same way with a fence if you bought and paid for the deer assuming no deer
were in place to begin with. It is possible that these laws very from
state
to state. I am pretty certain that in Ohio, if the pond does not drain
into
public waters, you can do whatever you want.

Jeff


"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
news
I believe the same thing applies to farmlands and hunting. So if I own
500
acres... can I legally harvest deer from there 365 days a year? Nope!


"Craig" wrote in message
news:ACWRc.100687$8_6.30108@attbi_s04...
In Michigan, my pond or my lake means I own the hole, but once water
enters
that hole, the state of Michigan has regulation over the water and the
wildlife that is in it or on it. I can maintain it (meaning I can
stock
it
how I please), but if the state HAS any knowledge of that pond, limit
laws
can be enforced and it can never be drained without DEQ's permission -
under
the laws that govern wetlands.




--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

Depends on the state. Licensed bird clubs here (Calif.) can shoot about 9
months a year. They also have to release some amount more of the birds than
they shoot.
Bill

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
That's not exactly true. Look at what pheasant farms do for dog training.
You can hunt pheasant on those farms all year long. Deer can be hunted
the
same way with a fence if you bought and paid for the deer assuming no deer
were in place to begin with. It is possible that these laws very from
state
to state. I am pretty certain that in Ohio, if the pond does not drain
into
public waters, you can do whatever you want.

Jeff


"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
news
I believe the same thing applies to farmlands and hunting. So if I own
500
acres... can I legally harvest deer from there 365 days a year? Nope!


"Craig" wrote in message
news:ACWRc.100687$8_6.30108@attbi_s04...
In Michigan, my pond or my lake means I own the hole, but once water
enters
that hole, the state of Michigan has regulation over the water and the
wildlife that is in it or on it. I can maintain it (meaning I can
stock
it
how I please), but if the state HAS any knowledge of that pond, limit
laws
can be enforced and it can never be drained without DEQ's permission -
under
the laws that govern wetlands.




--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

"Rodney" . wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:

Yes. Do not make any animal suffer for long periods of time when it is
avoidable.
Bill

Now Bill many people (not those on this list nor me) you hooking the
fish in the first place does this.

Get my point :-)

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com


You are right about certain people, but there is a hell of a lot of
difference between catching a fish and bonking it on the head, and putting
it in the cooler or to the dog, than throwing a live fish to the same dog.
Something about being a caring person. As to GWB. He is a lousy president.
Unfortunately, Kerry is also a piece of crap as to presidential material.
We, as a country, are screwed either way.
Bill

Calif Bill wrote:
"Rodney" . wrote in message


You are right about certain people,


He is a lousy president.
Unfortunately, Kerry is also a piece of crap as to presidential material.
We, as a country, are screwed either way.
Bill

I will not argue that point, Bush could be better, no doubt about it.

WE as a country, have had to vote for the least of two evils for many,
many, years,, too bad the least has not always won



--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com