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Watusi Worms ...two photos
Tom Nixon would have got the biggest grin on his face if he had seen some of
Sandy's creations. Then he would have tied one on his old fly rod and caught the biggest bass caught in the lake that day with one of them. Big Dale |
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Watusi Worms ...two photos
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Watusi Worms
"Gene Cottrell" wrote in message ...
It's not a fly. We all know what a fly is and is not. It's kind of like pornography - I can't give you a specific definition, but I know it when I see it. I don't necessarily disagree. I have a vague sense of what a fly is, and a vague sense that what I've made is a "fly rod lure," whatever that means. Yellowstone Park has several waters that have been designated "fly fishing only." I stopped in at the ranger headquarters in Mammoth Hot springs (several years ago) and asked "how do I know what fly fishing is? How do I know whether I'm breaking the rules or not?" The ranger said this question had come up numerous times, and after much debate, they settled on "not bait fishing" as their working definition of fly fishing. Other waters I've heard about mention diving lips as off limits, but for some reason that prohibition doesn't apply to Dahlberg Divers. I'm not really taking a position here. In my home waters (Yellowstone Park and southwest Montana) I can fish with any not-bait thing I want. So it's a non issue for me. But it is an interesting subject. |
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Watusi Worms
Salmo Bytes wrote:
... And this is a *troll* question, of sorts. But I am curious about the answers. ... So what is it? Should it be banned at "fly fishing only" sites. If so, what's the definition of fly fishing, so the authorities can enforce the rules? If you want to call it a fly, that's fine with me. You could call it a ice cream cone for all I care, but it's not a fly in my book and flinging it isn't fly fishing. Just Googling around I found the following definition from the state of Pennsylvania: Fishing may be done with artificial flies and streamers constructed of natural or synthetic materials, so long as all flies are constructed in a normal fashion on a single hook with components wound on or about the hook. Specifically prohibited is the use of molded facsimiles or replicas of insects, earthworms, fish eggs, fish or any invertebrate or vertebrate either singly or in combination with the other materials. Also prohibited are other lures commonly described as spinners, spoons, or plugs made of metals, plastic, wood, rubber or like substances or a combination thereof. So, if that "fly fishing only" regulation is still valid, using a Watusi Worm in Pennsylvania "fly fishing only" water would be illegal. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Watusi Worms ...two photos
Stan Gula writes:
We were flyfishing on a 'flyfishing-only' lake, and some local people thought fishing from a float tube was trolling (which is outside the definition) because we weren't anchored. We *were* 'casting and retrieving in the usual manner' which is how flyfishing is defined. You can not troll in fly fishing only waters in Maine, but constantly casting like you did, it NOT considered trolling, regardless your "vessel". Dave http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html |
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Watusi Worms ...two photos
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
... Stan Gula writes: We were flyfishing on a 'flyfishing-only' lake, and some local people thought fishing from a float tube was trolling (which is outside the definition) because we weren't anchored. We *were* 'casting and retrieving in the usual manner' which is how flyfishing is defined. You can not troll in fly fishing only waters in Maine, but constantly casting like you did, it NOT considered trolling, regardless your "vessel". I totally agree, but the angry group at the boat launch when we were leaving did not. |
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Watusi Worms ...two photos
Stan Gula wrote:
I've seen some bizarre regulations (to me, obviously, and not the people who wrote them) in Maine. We were flyfishing on a 'flyfishing-only' lake, and some local people thought fishing from a float tube was trolling (which is outside the definition) because we weren't anchored. We *were* 'casting and retrieving in the usual manner' which is how flyfishing is defined. That's a shame. "Wind drifting", watching the scenery and the the sky, with the fly trailing, is one of the very most relaxing and pleasing forms of fishing a fly. I figure if you cast once every half hour, it's fly fishing. JR |
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Watusi Worms ...two photos
Scott wrote:Can catch some pretty big fish with garden hackle too, but that
doesn't make it a fly. You seem to have a pretty narrow idea of what a fly is. You need to be open to ideas and flies that have been around and catching fish on fly rods for over 50 years. Big Dale |
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Watusi Worms ...two photos
hooked wrote
That's not a fly. That's a lure. And you could cast that with a spinning rod if you had the right rod. It would need to have a light tip section. Would also help if you use light line. scott wrote Agreed. That's worth a citation if you fish it in a fly fishing only area in NY stan wrote How does NY define 'fly'? And how do they define 'fly fishing'? Strangely, Massachusetts has two flyfishing-only areas, but the F&W Abstracts (and all regs published on their web site) do not define flyfishing or fly. Your question motivated me to ask the head of F&W enforcement (I figure the guy who can bust you is the guy you should listen to). I'll let you know what I find out. I would call Sandy's plastic worm a 'fly' and have used similar lures for bass and bluegill fishing (on open regulation ponds). My definition of a fly, which I've stated before, is anything light enough to cast effectively on fly gear (I'm not going to define that...), not made out of living or recently living animals (like a dead shiner). Of course, what I think doesn't matter - the regulations matter, and thus my inquiry. I've seen some bizarre regulations (to me, obviously, and not the people who wrote them) in Maine. We were flyfishing on a 'flyfishing-only' lake, and some local people thought fishing from a float tube was trolling (which is outside the definition) because we weren't anchored. We *were* 'casting and retrieving in the usual manner' which is how flyfishing is defined. and scott wrote NY is a little loose. The regs define artificial fly as "Artificial Fly means a hook with no more than two points dressed with feathers, hair, thread, tinsel or any similar material to which no hooks, spinners, spoons or similar devices have been added." Is a Mr Twister a "similar material"?? A fine question, and the answer is probably "what does Mr. CO think?" and that's probably got more to do with the attitude of the angler he's talking to at the moment than what's on the end of the line. Of course, a disagreement with a CO can be resolved in a court, but is it worth a day in court just to use a fly that might not be a fly? I'm anxious to find out what your F&W guy says. I just heard back from Major Roger Arduini, Mass. F&W Inland Enforcement Bureau Chief, that we only define fly fishing, and not fly. Fly fishing is: "use of a conventional fly rod and fly line". Both of the flyfishing-only areas are also C&R, artificial lure only, so you can use anything on your fly line except live or dead bait. Sandy's worm (and my own Mr Twister experiments) can be legally used in flyfishing-only water. |
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Watusi Worms ...two photos
"Hooked" wrote in message ...
"Salmo Bytes" wrote in message om... http://montana-riverboats.com/static...usi_Worms.html That's not a fly. That's a lure. And you could cast that with a spinning rod if you had the right rod. It would need to have a light tip section. Would also help if you use light line. I agree on this being a lure, but what is your definition of a fly? I believe most streamers in use today are more properly called lures, are they not? |
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