Bend Over, USA

If you'd say it on a fishin' trip, you can say it here.
Ken Fortenberry

For a brief instant in time, we agree. What is the reading on the
Apocalypse Clock?


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

"riverman" wrote in
:


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

After some five years of participation in this forum, I am STILL
unclear about just who it is that forces people to read **** that
they don't want to.

Wolfgang

It's not necessarily the 'reading' as it is the 'posting', and it's
obvious. They read something, then think their own contributing post
will somehow 'straighten everyone out', and they can strut off into
the digital landscape with spurs a-jingling, having made everything
per-fect-ly clear.

--riverman
(and that's all there is to say about THAT, tyvm.)



Aaah--

I call that "third man in", and there's a reason why that'll get you kicked
off the field in most competitive sports.

Scott

Ken Fortenberry wrote in
y.com:

If
you'd say it on a fishin' trip, you can say it here.


That's always been the rule of the roffian thumb

Scott

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"riverman" wrote in
:


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

After some five years of participation in this forum, I am STILL
unclear about just who it is that forces people to read **** that
they don't want to.

Wolfgang

It's not necessarily the 'reading' as it is the 'posting', and it's
obvious. They read something, then think their own contributing post
will somehow 'straighten everyone out', and they can strut off into
the digital landscape with spurs a-jingling, having made everything
per-fect-ly clear.

--riverman
(and that's all there is to say about THAT, tyvm.)



Aaah--

I call that "third man in", and there's a reason why that'll get you
kicked
off the field in most competitive sports.



Yup :-)

And in the case of roff, the effort to kick them off the field usually gets
a whole lotta sparks flying, to the amusement and chagrin of all who can't
tear their eyes away. And it often leads the original thread into new
directions, which also is a source of amusement or consternation.

--riverman
(who is accepting his red flag gracefully)

I'm a lot more tolerant of OT posting and general mayhem on ROFF since
a lot of us have met and shared a cold one around the fire (in the case
of Frank R., a cold one in the cold river). As a consequence my filter
group for ROFF is quite small, 1 regular user (OK and all of Muskies
alias's I find), 46 subjects and two specialty filters that filter out
the porn. Compare this with my filters for Military aviation, 385
subjects, 46 users, 10 specialty filters to filter political crap or
Military Aviation Naval with 36 subjects and 7 users or woodworking
with 390 subjects killed 15 specialty filters and 15 users killed.
If a subject ****es me off enough I'm done with it I simply right click
the mouse and select "kill this subject" but it takes a lot crap from
someone and little benefit for me to select "kill this user" and when I
do that I set the filter to expire in 60 days in case it was a rash
move. On my other groups when you'rE dead to me you're dead to me as
long as you use that addy.

I read ROFF pretty much every day and don't post a hell of a lot and I
suspect most of the folks, at least most of the vocal ones, and I have
wildely divergent opinions on the touchy subjects of the day, US
politics, environment, foreign policy, scotch and beadheads but much
like my in-laws it's just not a good idea for me to discuss them with
family or it just leads to hard feelings and someone waking up with a
whitefish head in their sleeping back at Penns.

Just my 2 cents.

Allen
Catonsville, MD

"Wolfgang" wrote...
"Tim J." wrote...
"Greg Pavlov" wrote...
Frank Church wrote:

I just counted 86 alt.politics on my newsserver..

Gee, Frank, I just counted about 400 comp. groups
on *my* server, and these aren't even alt groups, but
that doesn't stop you from posting "geek" messages
here, does it ? And there have to be hundreds of
lonely hearts groups out in usenet land, but you're
still using this forum for your divorce stories, aren't
you ?

Sorry to step on any toes here, but I see the discussion of personal
matters
involving the roffian family (as dysfunctional as it is) to be a
very different
than a political post. YMMV.

Perhaps, but as you note, opinions do vary. Meanwhile, ANY
contribution to a political thread can be seen as a political
statement in its own right.....even one decrying political statements.
Moreover, "...this small vocal core of angry lefties" can hardly be
viewed as apolitical by any reasonable standard.

Agreed. I don't see political posts as wrong, but just in a different category
from posts about personal matters. I decided quite some time ago that making my
political views known here serves no purpose other than to aggravate ME, so I've
curbed the impulse.

It can hardly escape the notice of any careful reader that diatribes
against the presence of politics in this forum are almost always
prompted not by the inclusion of politics per se, but rather by the
exposition of the WRONG politics.

Boy, ain't it the truth! (Read: "Many would agree.")

It is also worth noting that the
vast majority of objections to politics in ROFF come from individuals
whose own participation clearly marks them as what are generally (and
for reasons that are patently ludicrous) known as "conservatives", and
that these objections typically surface when their authors have their
backs to the dialectical wall.

I've noticed the wall-stance fairly equally in terms of lefties/righties.

Oh, and this exposition will doubtless sorely tempt a few to label ITS
author as a "liberal". Those individuals should, of course, not be
included in anyone's list of careful readers.

Wolfgang
whose political philosophy has been clearly and unequivocally stated
on a number of occasions.

Honestly, I (who is not assuming to place himself on the "list of careful
readers") haven't figured out much about your political bent at all. I've come
to the conclusion that there's left, right, and Wolfgang. Good job! I admire the
political enigma.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

(Greg Pavlov) wrote in news:3fd72d29.173589168
@news.cis.dfn.de:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:21:42 GMT, Frank Church
wrote:


I just counted 86 alt.politics on my newsserver..

Gee, Frank, I just counted about 400 comp. groups
on *my* server, and these aren't even alt groups, but
that doesn't stop you from posting "geek" messages
here, does it ? And there have to be hundreds of
lonely hearts groups out in usenet land, but you're
still using this forum for your divorce stories, aren't
you ?

....it is true that most all of us at one time or another have posted OT
about one thing or another, but your whining leftwing posts come on a
more or less regular basis. And no, I don't talk politics when fishing
with roffians or anyone else for that matter. Since this is an
international forum it must be boring as hell for our friends who aren't
US citizens. It's the surest way to create hard feelings and who needs
that ****? Except you and a few others that seem to thrive on discord. I
will stick around and you can enjoy your stay in my bozo bin. EOT.

Frank Church
...who is not advocating censorship, just take your political **** to the
proper forum.

Ken "7 iron" Fortenberry pounds the keyboard with this bit of wisdom

And if Big Dale wants to whine about it and storm out of here in a
snit, well hell, that's fair game too. The cuddly masseuse magnet's
love life ? Fair dinkum. This damn computer sucks ? Fair dinkum.
You leftie, flag-burning, faggot-loving, pinko, commie elitists are
leading our beloved U S of A straight to hell in a handbasket ? If
you'd say it on a fishin' trip, you can say it here.

Big Dale is not the only one Kenny, some others have just not anounced it.
I guess my point to Pavlov should have been made more clear, to wit: OT
subjects are mostly benign whines, attempts at humor, or maybe even to
elicit PC type help, jokes, what have you. The ONLY OT subject to cause
arguments and hard feelings has always been politcs. (with the possible
exception of some of GG's posts before he went tits up)

Frank Church
who ain't no leftie, flag-burning, faggot-loving, pinko, commie elitist.

"Tim J." wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote...


Wolfgang
whose political philosophy has been clearly and unequivocally
stated
on a number of occasions.

Honestly, I (who is not assuming to place himself on the "list of
careful
readers") haven't figured out much about your political bent at all.
I've come
to the conclusion that there's left, right, and Wolfgang. Good job!
I admire the
political enigma.

It was never my intention to be enigmatic......well, not about this
anyway. Quite simply, I'm an anarchist. However, as a long time
observer of political processes (and some time participant), I came to
the realization decades ago that very few people are interested in
trying anarchy and, as anarchy obviously requires near universal
acceptance, it ain't gonna happen. So, I live with the political
system we have in place, reserving the right to comment periodically
on the antics of the greedy and murderous assholes who run it, and the
even greedier and more murderous vapid assholes who lend their support
to one insufferable faction or another, all the while trying
desperately to justify their rapaciousness and boundless misanthropy.

Simple, no?

Wolfgang
who is all atwitter with anticipation over which fool of a liar will
step up to the plate first.

"Wolfgang" wrote...
snip
Wolfgang
who is all atwitter with anticipation over which fool of a liar will
step up to the plate first.

I read that challenge as:
"You're so vain, I bet you think this song is about you. Don't you?"


--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj