Are riveted jon boats okay?

I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only
way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small
lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank
you.

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop
wrote:

I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only
way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small
lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank
you.

Riveted boats are just fine. Far less expensive than a 100% welded
model - if you can even find one. Most flat-bottom jon boats (never
seen any other kind) are very stable, and ideal for small bodies of
water. NEVER exceed any of the manufacturer's "limits"....# of
people, weight, horsepower, etc. for ANY boat. When shopping for one,
it wouldn't hurt to get "a little more than you need".....a bit
longer, more capacity etc .... unless of course you have to carry or
drag it to your fishing hole.

Leaks? The seam sealants used today are far superior to what they
were ... even 10 years ago, and with proper use, should easily outlast
the owner. Never use any type of solvent to clean the boat as some
solvents may "attack" the sealant. Riveted seams can be more durable
than welded seams in that they will "flex" a little more than a welded
seam, which has to be PERFECT. If a weld is not perfect, it can crack
or even tear with repeated flexings.

Have fun shopping!
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On Mar 27, 4:50*am, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop

wrote:
I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. *Is that they only
way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? *I just want one for small
lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? *Thank
you.

Riveted boats are just fine. *Far less expensive than a 100% welded
model - if you can even find one. *Most flat-bottom jon boats (never
seen any other kind) *are very stable, and ideal for small bodies of
water. *NEVER exceed any of the manufacturer's "limits"....# of
people, weight, horsepower, etc. for ANY boat. *When shopping for one,
it wouldn't hurt to get "a little more than you need".....a bit
longer, more capacity etc .... unless of course you have to carry or
drag it to your fishing hole.

Leaks? *The seam sealants used today are far superior to what they
were ... even 10 years ago, and with proper use, should easily outlast
the owner. *Never use any type of solvent to clean the boat as some
solvents may "attack" the sealant. *Riveted seams can be more durable
than welded seams in that they will "flex" a little more than a welded
seam, which has to be PERFECT. *If a weld is not perfect, it can crack
or even tear with repeated flexings.

Have fun shopping!
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Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old?
You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks.

I started out in a riveted jon boat. It now belongs to my son who uses
regularly. If you remain seated you'll never have a problem. If you and a
passenger move to the same side at the same time, then you risk being
swamped and when a metal jon boat takes on water it sinks like, well like a
big chunk of metal. Nuff said.

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On Mar 27, 4:50 am, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop

wrote:
I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only
way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small
lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank
you.

Riveted boats are just fine. Far less expensive than a 100% welded
model - if you can even find one. Most flat-bottom jon boats (never
seen any other kind) are very stable, and ideal for small bodies of
water. NEVER exceed any of the manufacturer's "limits"....# of
people, weight, horsepower, etc. for ANY boat. When shopping for one,
it wouldn't hurt to get "a little more than you need".....a bit
longer, more capacity etc .... unless of course you have to carry or
drag it to your fishing hole.

Leaks? The seam sealants used today are far superior to what they
were ... even 10 years ago, and with proper use, should easily outlast
the owner. Never use any type of solvent to clean the boat as some
solvents may "attack" the sealant. Riveted seams can be more durable
than welded seams in that they will "flex" a little more than a welded
seam, which has to be PERFECT. If a weld is not perfect, it can crack
or even tear with repeated flexings.

Have fun shopping!
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Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old?
You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks.

Da Chief wrote:
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Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old?
You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks.

If you already have a canoe, there are companies that make outrigger type
devices that can prevent children from tipping you. Use google for more;

http://www.castlecraft.com/stabilizers.htm

http://www.castlecraft.com/canoe_stabilizer.htm even has a picture of someone
doing a headstand... which reminds me of this;

http://www.chicagopaddling/org/potc/Marge2a.jpg Marge passed away last year
but was famous for doing headstands in canoes while whitewater canoeing,
we don't all have her sense of balance...

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Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
Da Chief wrote:
snip

Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old?
You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks.

If you already have a canoe, there are companies that make outrigger type
devices that can prevent children from tipping you. Use google for more;



http://www.castlecraft.com/stabilizers.htm

Those are canoe training wheels :-)


A very small child can't tip a John boat, if an adult is sitting in it,
but always put a FD on all children in boats
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On Mar 27, 4:50 am, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop

wrote:
I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. Is that they only
way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? I just want one for small
lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? Thank
you.

Riveted boats are just fine. Far less expensive than a 100% welded
model - if you can even find one. Most flat-bottom jon boats (never
seen any other kind) are very stable, and ideal for small bodies of
water. NEVER exceed any of the manufacturer's "limits"....# of
people, weight, horsepower, etc. for ANY boat. When shopping for one,
it wouldn't hurt to get "a little more than you need".....a bit
longer, more capacity etc .... unless of course you have to carry or
drag it to your fishing hole.

Leaks? The seam sealants used today are far superior to what they
were ... even 10 years ago, and with proper use, should easily outlast
the owner. Never use any type of solvent to clean the boat as some
solvents may "attack" the sealant. Riveted seams can be more durable
than welded seams in that they will "flex" a little more than a welded
seam, which has to be PERFECT. If a weld is not perfect, it can crack
or even tear with repeated flexings.

Have fun shopping!
--
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Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"

Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old?
You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks.

You want at least a 14' boat. The 12' boats are very common, but do not
carry as much weight and are not as seaworthy. My 14' Valco was about 12#
more than the 12' model, but had about 170# extra cargo capacity. I had
rivets leak. You can reset the rivets or replace them, and can even cover
the bottom with Gluvit if lots are leaking.

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:16:36 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop
wrote:

On Mar 27, 4:50*am, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT), jmDesktop

wrote:
I knew a guy that said his leaked at the rivets. *Is that they only
way flat bottom boats are made, "riveted"? *I just want one for small
lake fishing, What are the limits of one, do they tip easily? *Thank
you.

Riveted boats are just fine. *Far less expensive than a 100% welded
model - if you can even find one. *Most flat-bottom jon boats (never
seen any other kind) *are very stable, and ideal for small bodies of
water. *NEVER exceed any of the manufacturer's "limits"....# of
people, weight, horsepower, etc. for ANY boat. *When shopping for one,
it wouldn't hurt to get "a little more than you need".....a bit
longer, more capacity etc .... unless of course you have to carry or
drag it to your fishing hole.

Leaks? *The seam sealants used today are far superior to what they
were ... even 10 years ago, and with proper use, should easily outlast
the owner. *Never use any type of solvent to clean the boat as some
solvents may "attack" the sealant. *Riveted seams can be more durable
than welded seams in that they will "flex" a little more than a welded
seam, which has to be PERFECT. *If a weld is not perfect, it can crack
or even tear with repeated flexings.

Have fun shopping!
--
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"

Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old?
You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? Thanks.

Jim, as the others have stated, they are far more stable than a canoe.
They are pretty much ideal for young "fisher-folk" in that you are
pretty close to the water, and what kid isn't enthralled with the
water? If the waters that you plan on fishing in are cold, some type
of floor matting is suggested to keep your feet from getting cold - I
used to fish in Lake Huron in the spring (14ft aluminum boat),
literally pushing small ice floes away from the boat, and my feet were
constantly cold on that bare metal bottom. As "John B" stated, you
have to make SURE that the kids KNOW THE RULES. And, since they
sometimes forget, and may lean too far to the side, one of your
responsibilities as Captain is to use your superior weight and sense
of balance to keep the vessel on an even keel.

I have to disagree with "Da Chief" on the sinking part - most of
today's boats have foam-filled bench seats that will keep the boat
afloat, (not necessarily totally above water, but off of the bottom of
the lake anyway) even if you manage to swamp it.....provided of course
that you don't have it loaded with a BUNCH of gear. Even if the seats
are not foam-filled, you can have them filled by almost any company
that installs spray-in expanding foam insulation. Here is a link to a
14ft Tracker that is offered by Bass Pro -
http://www.trackerboats.com/boat/gallery.cfm?boat=2863 (trailer shown
is not included, but an option)

BTW ..... A hearty Thank You for introducing a Kid to fishing!!!
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Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old?
You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? *Thanks.- Hide quoted text -

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I saw a guy in a jon boat try to sit on his ice chest in the center of
the boat facing to the side. When he sat on the ice chest it slide
backwards and the boat just rolled over and pitched him in the water.
He came up and jumped back in so fast it was pretty comical.

I would buy a two or three man molded "pontoon" type boat before I
would ever buy another jon boat. You can stand on the edge of one of
those things and they won't flip. They don't leak either. Put a
trolling motor and battery on them and off you go. They also fit in
the back of a pickup better IMHO.

Just don't drag them across concrete.

On Mar 28, 11:52*am, will_gamble wrote:
Could small children sit in it and fish, like about five years old?
You don't have to be super still like a canoe do you? *Thanks.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I saw a guy in a jon boat try to sit on his ice chest in the center of
the boat facing to the side. *When he sat on the ice chest it slide
backwards and the boat just rolled over and pitched him in the water.
He came up and jumped back in so fast it was pretty comical.

I would buy a two or three man molded "pontoon" type boat before I
would ever buy another jon boat. *You can stand on the edge of one of
those things and they won't flip. *They don't leak either. *Put a
trolling motor and battery on them and off you go. *They also fit in
the back of a pickup better IMHO.

Just don't drag them across concrete.

Do you have a link to that kind of boat? I can't find molded pontoon
boat. Thanks.