Catch & Release

"Todd Copeland" wrote in
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in
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Did you happen to watch Dubya on the Roland Martin show ?

Seems our Chief Executive catches bass and then lets his
dog chew them to death instead of releasing them.

...and eats them? If the dog eats them, I feel sorry for the dog. I
can see this creating potential health threats. On the other hand, as
long as the fish gets eaten when not thrown back I don't see a problem
with not releasing the fish.

If a person eats it for food or it's a dog that eats it, it's still
being eaten. Being eaten, for the most part, has always been an
acceptable reason for not releasing fish. In _many_ cases, releasing
all caught fish actually does more harm then good.




There's got to be some metaphor for trickle down economics in here
someplace, but damned if I can't phrase it right? Little help?

Scott

RGarri7470 wrote:

Kill the bass, eat the bass, cull the bass, whatever, but have
a little respect in the process. I would, and I suspect most
here would too.

--
Ken Fortenberry


Would you say the same thing about bluegill? How about carp or gar?

Sure, wouldn't you ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

BassMr wrote:

I didn't see any bass dying a "slow and painful death",that must be the
Democrats take on the scene though.By the end of the week the Kerry lovers
will be saying that the dog was gutting the fish w/ his teeth,with blood and
scales flying everywhere while the President looked on with glee.Long live
the Democrats,right minded conservative AMERICANS enjoy the slapstick
politics.
Ken,is your next post going to attack Jerry McGinnis and his little
Dachsund? KILLFILE (and you are my very first)

Goodness gracious, Mr. BassMr, you seem to be going off the
deep end just a bit, don't you think ?

Most of us have been taught the ethics of sportsmanship and
most of us know that ethical sportsmen do not toss live fish
onto the deck of the boat so the dog can play with it. Those
are the actions of a thoughtless and clueless man and not
those of an ethical sportsman. At some level you too must know
this which is why you are the first one in this thread to
utter the word "Democrats."

Methinks thou dost protesteth way too damn much.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:


Goodness gracious, Mr. BassMr, you seem to be going off the
deep end just a bit, don't you think ?

Most of us have been taught the ethics of sportsmanship

SOrry but there is no such thing, "ethics of sportsman", a writen set of
ethical rules that all real sportsmen should follow

Instead this is a personal thing, complaining because someone else does
not follow what you "think" is ethical, is crap, as each sportsman has
their own level of "ethics" Each one, feels theirs is right

Your is not the same as a person who is a sportsman that loves the out
doors but is a member of PETA, oh but they are left wingers, as you and
I know, but to them you have no ethics.

Then we have the You must not in any way harm the fish, they are looking
to replace hooks with lasso's

Then we have the C&R everything, you don't need to kill fish for any
reason, they yell at anyone who keeps and eat fish

Then we have the C&R bass only, you absolutely must C&R every bass or
your un ethical, you must never "waste" any fish if you need to remove
all little bass you must eat the three inch ones.

SOme people think it's OK to keep some bass,, only if your going to eat
them that night, you must throw back all the big bass and only eat the
smaller ones

The list of ethics just keeps going on and on,, some don't believe that
any fishermen who uses live bait is ethical, they're not a sportsman,
they're a harvester.

B.S. to all of this, if what another sportsman does is "legal" I should
not complain about what I think his ethics should be, it's none of my
business, if I don't like something,, then I should get the "law"
changed, States have limits, because they want to maintain the fishery,
they decide what should be kept and what "must" be released. I have no
right to tell another what must be released.

That's one of the biggest problems in this country, people telling
others what they must do to be "Ethical",, this fighting among our
selves over what is ethical, is what the PETA folks want, they don't
want us united, they want us divided, and they want to get other
sportsmen to help chip away at our rights, until everyone has their
"Ethics" after all, they think they are the real People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals




and
most of us know that ethical sportsmen do not toss live fish
onto the deck of the boat so the dog can play with it.

WHy not,, what difference is this than, you playing with it, on the end
of a line with a hook impelled through it. Now you justify that against
the dog playing with it, now explain the difference to a member of PETA
see if you can convince them.

What's the difference of this than a mink or otter playing with his
catch ? This occurs in nature, it's natural



--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
snip
Most of us have been taught the ethics of sportsmanship

SOrry but there is no such thing, "ethics of sportsman", a writen set of
ethical rules that all real sportsmen should follow

It may not be written down, but there is such a thing.

and
most of us know that ethical sportsmen do not toss live fish
onto the deck of the boat so the dog can play with it.

WHy not,, what difference is this than, you playing with it, on the end
of a line with a hook impelled through it. ...

You're right in that we all have to interpret the "ethics" of what
we do as sportsmen for ourselves. In general I agree with you, if
it's legal, others can't really bitch about it. But I said most of
us wouldn't toss a dink bass onto the deck of the boat and I think
that's true. While it may be legal, I was taught differently.

I think casually tossing a dink bass to the dog demonstrates a lack
of character, but I am not suggesting that anyone should be arrested
or fined for lacking character.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Rodney wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
snip
Most of us have been taught the ethics of sportsmanship

SOrry but there is no such thing, "ethics of sportsman", a writen set of
ethical rules that all real sportsmen should follow

It may not be written down, but there is such a thing.

and
most of us know that ethical sportsmen do not toss live fish
onto the deck of the boat so the dog can play with it.

WHy not,, what difference is this than, you playing with it, on the end
of a line with a hook impelled through it. ...

You're right in that we all have to interpret the "ethics" of what
we do as sportsmen for ourselves. In general I agree with you, if
it's legal, others can't really bitch about it. But I said most of
us wouldn't toss a dink bass onto the deck of the boat and I think
that's true. While it may be legal, I was taught differently.

I think casually tossing a dink bass to the dog demonstrates a lack
of character, but I am not suggesting that anyone should be arrested
or fined for lacking character.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Yes. Do not make any animal suffer for long periods of time when it is
avoidable.
Bill

"RGarri7470" wrote in message
...
Kill the bass, eat the bass, cull the bass, whatever, but have
a little respect in the process. I would, and I suspect most
here would too.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Would you say the same thing about bluegill? How about carp or gar?
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

Craig wrote:
In Michigan, my pond or my lake means I own the hole, but once water enters
that hole, the state of Michigan has regulation over the water and the
wildlife that is in it or on it. I can maintain it (meaning I can stock it
how I please), but if the state HAS any knowledge of that pond, limit laws
can be enforced and it can never be drained without DEQ's permission - under
the laws that govern wetlands.

WEll I could not find the information on the internet,, but I did find
the right phone number to call

1 906 293 5131

I talked to Chuck Payment, fish biologist for the state of Michigan DNR.

Here are the FACTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I asked him did I need to follow state limit laws on a private
pond, his response was

"WHat ????????????????

I have never had anyone actually ask me that question"

He went on to say

"A private pond, is just that, private. The fish belong to the pond
owner, he can harvest them anyway he wishes, when ever he wishes. No
state size limits or creel limits apply"

"The only problem that "could" happen is when transporting more than
daily limit of public waters, (taking them to a church fish fry or
something similar) you would need some kind of proof they came from your
pond, instead of public waters, this would be handled on a case by case
bases."

"On draining a private pound, if it is a dug pond you can drain it
without permit, if it has a damn, and the drain water will run into a
stream you need a permit to drain it, to make sure your not putting
pollution into the stream (ponds on industrial sites is the reason for
this, that could be contaminated)"

End quotes

*Of course if you drain a dug pond, to me, I would think the water would
run into a stream somewhere :-)

So Crig,, you were believing an Urban myth about private ponds, you
evidently over heard someone saying this,, nothing wrong with being
wrong, if you admit it :-)

This is how we learn sometimes, we don't know until we ask, and many
times what we believe, is not how it really is.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Craig wrote:
In Michigan, my pond or my lake means I own the hole, but once water enters
that hole, the state of Michigan has regulation over the water and the
wildlife that is in it or on it. I can maintain it (meaning I can stock it
how I please), but if the state HAS any knowledge of that pond, limit laws
can be enforced and it can never be drained without DEQ's permission - under
the laws that govern wetlands.

WEll I could not find the information on the internet,, but I did find
the right phone number to call

1 906 293 5131

I talked to Chuck Payment, fish biologist for the state of Michigan DNR.

Here are the FACTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I asked him did I need to follow state limit laws on a private
pond, his response was

"WHat ????????????????

I have never had anyone actually ask me that question"

He went on to say

"A private pond, is just that, private. The fish belong to the pond
owner, he can harvest them anyway he wishes, when ever he wishes. No
state size limits or creel limits apply"

"The only problem that "could" happen is when transporting more than
daily limit of public waters, (taking them to a church fish fry or
something similar) you would need some kind of proof they came from your
pond, instead of public waters, this would be handled on a case by case
bases."

"On draining a private pound, if it is a dug pond you can drain it
without permit, if it has a damn, and the drain water will run into a
stream you need a permit to drain it, to make sure your not putting
pollution into the stream (ponds on industrial sites is the reason for
this, that could be contaminated)"

End quotes

*Of course if you drain a dug pond, to me, I would think the water would
run into a stream somewhere :-)

So Crig,, you were believing an Urban myth about private ponds, you
evidently over heard someone saying this,, nothing wrong with being
wrong, if you admit it :-)

This is how we learn sometimes, we don't know until we ask, and many
times what we believe, is not how it really is.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Rodney wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

snip
Most of us have been taught the ethics of sportsmanship


SOrry but there is no such thing, "ethics of sportsman", a writen set
of ethical rules that all real sportsmen should follow


It may not be written down, but there is such a thing.

and
most of us know that ethical sportsmen do not toss live fish
onto the deck of the boat so the dog can play with it.


WHy not,, what difference is this than, you playing with it, on the
end of a line with a hook impelled through it. ...


You're right in that we all have to interpret the "ethics" of what
we do as sportsmen for ourselves. In general I agree with you, if
it's legal, others can't really bitch about it. But I said most of
us wouldn't toss a dink bass onto the deck of the boat and I think
that's true. While it may be legal, I was taught differently.

I think casually tossing a dink bass to the dog demonstrates a lack
of character, but I am not suggesting that anyone should be arrested
or fined for lacking character.



So now you say anyone without your ethics has no character,, or is it
just George has none? :-)
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com