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Hopefully I won't get flamed for this post........It should be on
topic but lately even on topic post get certain people into a ****ing contest but I have broad shoulders and can take it......A gentleman that I do work for was cleaning out his attic and came acrost a Monteague(sp) Bamboo rod two tips hardly used he said his uncle gave it to him as a boy but he had forgotten about it he remembers using it a couple time but it was his uncles before that.........The rod is beautiful the cork has a little use stain on it has been in a rod tube for the last 30 or so years.......... he thinks his uncle bought the rod in the 40's any idea the worth of this rod.......All info kept confidential and you will not be held to the price you quote |
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On 21 Sep, 17:16, Mike wrote:
Hopefully I won't get flamed for this post........It should be on topic but lately even on topic post get certain people into a ****ing contest but I have broad shoulders and can take it......A gentleman that I do work for was cleaning out his attic and came acrost a Monteague(sp) Bamboo rod two tips hardly used he said his uncle gave it to him as a boy but he had forgotten about it he remembers using it a couple time but it was his uncles before that.........The rod is beautiful the cork has a little use stain on it has been in a rod tube for the last 30 or so years.......... he thinks his uncle bought the rod in the 40's any idea the worth of this rod.......All info kept confidential and you will not be held to the price you quote The rod is most likely a Montague. These are not usually very expensive, and are still fairly widely available. Some are quite nice fishing rods, depending on condition. For some general info,Have a look here; http://www.flyanglersonline.com/feat...o/part127.html If you want to know more about the specific rod, then look at what is marked on the rod itself, and then do a search on that coupled with "Montague". for more specific information. TL MC |
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"Mike" wrote in message oups.com... Hopefully I won't get flamed for this post........It should be on topic but lately even on topic post get certain people into a ****ing contest but I have broad shoulders and can take it......A gentleman that I do work for was cleaning out his attic and came acrost a Monteague(sp) Bamboo rod two tips hardly used he said his uncle gave it to him as a boy but he had forgotten about it he remembers using it a couple time but it was his uncles before that.........The rod is beautiful the cork has a little use stain on it has been in a rod tube for the last 30 or so years.......... he thinks his uncle bought the rod in the 40's any idea the worth of this rod.......All info kept confidential and you will not be held to the price you quote These sites may or may not be of help? http://vfish.net/rodsforsale1.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/feat...o/part118.html -- Try the "Bamboo Chat" with Ron Kusse. Mr. Kusse is a *well-known* bamboo rod maker http://www.flyanglersonline.com/feat...oo/part80.html and may have some info he can share with you. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Fishing-1...ue-Fly-Rod.htm http://tinyurl.com/36j9pw --Google search. Op |
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Mike wrote:
Hopefully I won't get flamed for this post........It should be on topic but lately even on topic post get certain people into a ****ing contest but I have broad shoulders and can take it......A gentleman that I do work for was cleaning out his attic and came acrost a Monteague(sp) Bamboo rod two tips hardly used he said his uncle gave it to him as a boy but he had forgotten about it he remembers using it a couple time but it was his uncles before that.........The rod is beautiful the cork has a little use stain on it has been in a rod tube for the last 30 or so years.......... he thinks his uncle bought the rod in the 40's any idea the worth of this rod.......All info kept confidential and you will not be held to the price you quote It's probably a Montague and they were/are decent 'boo. As for it's value a lot depends on the length and weight. A 9' 8wt 'boo is far less valuable these days than a 7.5' 4wt from the same manufacturer. You'll have to convert the old silk line rating (if it's written on the rod at all) to its modern equivalent to determine the rods weight. Here's one conversion chart: http://www.orvis.com/intro.asp?dir_id=758&subject=2875 Good luck. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Sep 21, 9:16 am, Mike wrote:
Hopefully I won't get flamed for this post........It should be on topic but lately even on topic post get certain people into a ****ing contest but I have broad shoulders and can take it......A gentleman that I do work for was cleaning out his attic and came acrost a Monteague(sp) Bamboo rod two tips hardly used he said his uncle gave it to him as a boy but he had forgotten about it he remembers using it a couple time but it was his uncles before that.........The rod is beautiful the cork has a little use stain on it has been in a rod tube for the last 30 or so years.......... he thinks his uncle bought the rod in the 40's any idea the worth of this rod.......All info kept confidential and you will not be held to the price you quote FWIW - I bought a Montague Rapidan for about $135 off Ebay. It had two tips and was in exceptional condition. It is a 3 piece rod and I really, really like it. TBone |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:53:36 -0400, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote: Mr. Kusse is a *well-known* bamboo rod maker http://www.flyanglersonline.com/feat...oo/part80.html and may have some info he can share with you. The first bamboo rod (a 3/4 weight) I had Ron make me came with two tips. When it arrived I noticed that it had room in the sock bag for four pieces (butt section and three tips). Ron called me and said he was sending me a third tip because he was not satisfied with the workmanship on the two tips he had sent. I got the two tips out of the sock and he showed me the "blemish" he discovered on one of the tips. It was nothing. I would not have noticed it if he didn't point it out, and even then I didn't consider it a blemish. It is a beautiful rod, very delicate and absolutely lovely for fishing small dry flies. He is a wonderful artist. Dave |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:16:08 -0700, Mike wrote:
Hopefully I won't get flamed for this post........It should be on topic but lately even on topic post get certain people into a ****ing contest but I have broad shoulders and can take it......A gentleman that I do work for was cleaning out his attic and came acrost a Monteague(sp) Bamboo rod two tips hardly used he said his uncle gave it to him as a boy but he had forgotten about it he remembers using it a couple time but it was his uncles before that.........The rod is beautiful the cork has a little use stain on it has been in a rod tube for the last 30 or so years.......... he thinks his uncle bought the rod in the 40's any idea the worth of this rod.......All info kept confidential and you will not be held to the price you quote Montague made a wide range of rods that range from economy rods to some fairly decent rods. I have a few, and the better ones are darned decent fishing tools. None have values in the range of the "classic" makers (Gillum, Payne, Dickerson, etc.), but some models do get up into the $500.00 range (and a bit more) for the "high end" 3-2, 7 1/2' or thereabouts, in the condition you describe. I would offer that AFAIR, all of the lower end models were single tip models, so yours being a 2-tip model is a clue that it might be a higher-end model, with "higher end" being relative time-wise to back then and using a 1940's meaning of "higher end" in a broad market sense - IOW, a great majority of gear from back then was affordable, plain, service-oriented gear rather than much of the, um, well, "yuppified"/"trendy"/whatever stuff sold today, and the "mass market" extremes weren't as pronounced as they are today. If I had to make a comparison, Montague made the TFO, the Chevy sedan, the Remington 870 Express/700ADL, the Timex, the grocer's brand soup, etc. of the period - nothing fancy but usable as intended in a range of quality from economy to decent and priced accordingly and appropriately. I have some material and info, but I'd have to dig it up and IAC, it appears from other responses that there is quite a bit on the 'net. It's hard to say about specifics with the above info, but I'd offer that at the very least, it is a decent enough fishing tool. As to value and with no more info than you provided, I'd offer that if it's an _original_ tube trout-sized 3/2 with no tip-set in very good condition, and you and the gentleman are simply trying to arrive at a fair "friendly" price - one friend selling to another for their own use, with the buyer not trying to "steal it" and the seller not trying to get every last penny out of it - a coupla hundred dollars or so, cash or labor, is probably fair to both. Anything else, _especially_ if it's a larger/heavier rod, and the market would knock it down considerably (a smaller 'boo rod is worth quite a bit more than a larger one by the same maker, all other things equal - IOW, when "market pricing" 'boo, size does matter), and so y'all probably should also reduce the amount, say in the $100-125 range, unless there is something exceptional about it. If y'all need a more precise value, you'll need to provide more info. And here's a really oddball "side note" thing about Montagues: they aren't super-collectable, but do have their fans, and the serious collectors place, IMO, a ridiculous value on the little branding "fish" decal, so if it complete and in mint condition, take that into account, and if it has _any_ damage, take that into account. I could and would understand if it were an Ed Payne (the father) as he delivered it, with a receipt, etc., versus one refinished 5 times by persons unknown and with no provenance, etc., but the flockin' decal on a Monty...?...hey, chocolate and vanilla, I suppose. I'd be curious to hear, as is said, the rest of the story, so if you get more details, consider this a request for them if you don't mind posting them. TC, R |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:21:24 GMT, LabRat
wrote: voiced his/her/it's humble opinion in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly on Fri 21 Sep 2007 09:58:11a: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:16:08 -0700, Mike wrote: .A gentleman that I do work for was cleaning out his attic and came acrost a Monteague(sp) Bamboo rod two tips hardly used he said his uncle gave it to him as a boy but he had forgotten about it he remembers using it a couple time but it was his uncles before that.........The rod is beautiful the cork has a little use stain on it has been in a rod tube for the last 30 or so years.......... he thinks his uncle bought the rod in the 40's any idea the worth of this rod.......All info kept confidential and you will not be held to the price you quote Montague made a wide range of rods that range from economy rods to some fairly decent rods. TC, R You may be the guy to ask. I have an old cane rod with a decal on it that says Gold Fish. And then again, maybe not...I've never heard of a brand of rod "Gold Fish." I'm pretty sure it's a cheap chinese rod as the finish has dried and cracked tho the cane looks to be in good shape and the ferrules and reel seat are chrome tho a magnet wont attach so they atre likely chrome plated brass. None of the wrapping on the guides has laquer on them as well. It sounds like the post-WWII Japanese rods that have been discussed on ROFF a few times, including a couple of times in the last month or so. If it fishes OK for you, that's probably the highest and best use and source of value. These rods, even unfished in the box/case, aren't worth much at all unless you find some decorator type who'll pay a unreasonable amount for "a bamboo rod" without regard to what it is. Unlike the other cane I have that was purported to be English make and has what look like silver ferrules. There is no name at all on that one and it throws a 5-6 wt. line quite nicely. The finish is in perfect condition and all thread work is coated as well, see through gold, with two bands between each guide. It has a much nicer grip tho it looks like the reel seat was replaced with an fairly cheap one. (easy enough to replace) There's no way to say what it might be based solely on the above - there are characteristics that rods known makers possess that could lead to ID'ing it, but "unmarked" makes it all that much more difficult. A well-made, well-furnished, but unknown maker 'boo, in good original condition, 3/1 (or a 3/2 with a punk 2nd tip) in the 8ish foot range that handles a 5-6 wt. well has some monetary value when offered by a reputable dealer in the US - generally more than $200USD and less than $500USD unless something really nice or special. A "moderate" quality production rod from a known American maker (for example, Montague, Heddon, South Bend, etc.) refinished (not "restored") nicely by a competent refinisher can be had readily for well under $500.00 - generally in the coupla-three hundred dollar range. As to the English rods, there are quite a few that came out of smaller shops, particularly in the Redditch area, that are sorta like the "guild guns" of Germany, Belgium, etc. - generally good or better quality but without the value (or cost, if you're buying) of the "name" counterparts. Servicepeople and tourists brought plenty of these back to the US and so it isn't unusual to find these in the US. Prices on these tend to be more hard to pin down because often novice buyers and, um, "lesser" dealers skew the data, but IMO, these are worth something in bottom range of "fishable" 'boo - $200-300.00. FWIW, American rods are, generally, the most monetarily valuable and sought after, with the English rods, again generally, second. If you can provide more details, I'm sure you'll get more info...or well, opinions, anyway. TC, R TIA Later...... LabRat...... |:^{) |
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voiced his/her/it's humble opinion in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly on Fri 21
Sep 2007 04:21:27p: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:21:24 GMT, LabRat wrote: voiced his/her/it's humble opinion in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly on Fri 21 Sep 2007 09:58:11a: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:16:08 -0700, Mike wrote: .A gentleman that I do work for was cleaning out his attic and came acrost a Monteague(sp) Bamboo rod two tips hardly used he said his uncle gave it to him as a boy but he had forgotten about it he remembers using it a couple time but it was his uncles before that.........The rod is beautiful the cork has a little use stain on it has been in a rod tube for the last 30 or so years.......... he thinks his uncle bought the rod in the 40's any idea the worth of this rod.......All info kept confidential and you will not be held to the price you quote Montague made a wide range of rods that range from economy rods to some fairly decent rods. TC, R You may be the guy to ask. I have an old cane rod with a decal on it that says Gold Fish. And then again, maybe not...I've never heard of a brand of rod "Gold Fish." I'm pretty sure it's a cheap chinese rod as the finish has dried and cracked tho the cane looks to be in good shape and the ferrules and reel seat are chrome tho a magnet wont attach so they atre likely chrome plated brass. None of the wrapping on the guides has laquer on them as well. It sounds like the post-WWII Japanese rods that have been discussed on ROFF a few times, including a couple of times in the last month or so. If it fishes OK for you, that's probably the highest and best use and source of value. These rods, even unfished in the box/case, aren't worth much at all unless you find some decorator type who'll pay a unreasonable amount for "a bamboo rod" without regard to what it is. Unlike the other cane I have that was purported to be English make and has what look like silver ferrules. There is no name at all on that one and it throws a 5-6 wt. line quite nicely. The finish is in perfect condition and all thread work is coated as well, see through gold, with two bands between each guide. It has a much nicer grip tho it looks like the reel seat was replaced with an fairly cheap one. (easy enough to replace) There's no way to say what it might be based solely on the above - there are characteristics that rods known makers possess that could lead to ID'ing it, but "unmarked" makes it all that much more difficult. A well-made, well-furnished, but unknown maker 'boo, in good original condition, 3/1 (or a 3/2 with a punk 2nd tip) in the 8ish foot range that handles a 5-6 wt. well has some monetary value when offered by a reputable dealer in the US - generally more than $200USD and less than $500USD unless something really nice or special. A "moderate" quality production rod from a known American maker (for example, Montague, Heddon, South Bend, etc.) refinished (not "restored") nicely by a competent refinisher can be had readily for well under $500.00 - generally in the coupla-three hundred dollar range. As to the English rods, there are quite a few that came out of smaller shops, particularly in the Redditch area, that are sorta like the "guild guns" of Germany, Belgium, etc. - generally good or better quality but without the value (or cost, if you're buying) of the "name" counterparts. Servicepeople and tourists brought plenty of these back to the US and so it isn't unusual to find these in the US. Prices on these tend to be more hard to pin down because often novice buyers and, um, "lesser" dealers skew the data, but IMO, these are worth something in bottom range of "fishable" 'boo - $200-300.00. FWIW, American rods are, generally, the most monetarily valuable and sought after, with the English rods, again generally, second. If you can provide more details, I'm sure you'll get more info...or well, opinions, anyway. TC, R I'm not really concerned about their monetary value, just wondering. I like using them every once in a while when I feel like being a bit traditional. Just like my grandpa's old fiberglass fly rod that I refurbished back in '83 or so. He got me hooked on fishing when I was three so I try to get him a trout every year. Later...... LabRat...... |:^{) |
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