Strange beast sighting

On May 29, 7:19 am, Scott Seidman wrote:
Trodding back to my car from a day on the water, I was passing through a
phlox patch, and saw what I thought was a large honeybee gathering nectar.
This might seem quite stupid, but I'm pretty sure it was not a honeybee.
It seemed to be about twice the size of a honeybee. The wing beats were
extremely fast, and it darted about more like what I think of in a
hummingbird-- very good hover, rapid darting pattern with extremely sudden
stops. There were some prominent yellow and black stripes on the back,
where an abdomen would want to be--maybe two yellow and one black.

I didn't get a close enough look to categorically say there was no beak, so
I can't be sure, but I thought I saw a rather prominent probiscus for
nectar collection-- maybe some sort of odd moth??

I was with somebody else, and neither of us would identify this as a bee.
Any ideas? I'm in Western NY, if that helps.

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Sounds like a Bumble Bee. We have them here in central Texas.

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On May 29, 7:19 am, Scott Seidman wrote:
Trodding back to my car from a day on the water, I was passing through a
phlox patch, and saw what I thought was a large honeybee gathering
nectar.
This might seem quite stupid, but I'm pretty sure it was not a honeybee.
It seemed to be about twice the size of a honeybee. The wing beats were
extremely fast, and it darted about more like what I think of in a
hummingbird-- very good hover, rapid darting pattern with extremely
sudden
stops. There were some prominent yellow and black stripes on the back,
where an abdomen would want to be--maybe two yellow and one black.

I didn't get a close enough look to categorically say there was no beak,
so
I can't be sure, but I thought I saw a rather prominent probiscus for
nectar collection-- maybe some sort of odd moth??

I was with somebody else, and neither of us would identify this as a bee.
Any ideas? I'm in Western NY, if that helps.

--
Scott
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Sounds like a Bumble Bee. We have them here in central Texas.


Sphinx Moth (Hyles lineata)
http://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/nat...wildlife.shtml

Gene

On May 29, 7:19 am, Scott Seidman wrote:
Trodding back to my car from a day on the water, I was passing through a
phlox patch, and saw what I thought was a large honeybee gathering nectar.
This might seem quite stupid, but I'm pretty sure it was not a honeybee.
It seemed to be about twice the size of a honeybee. The wing beats were
extremely fast, and it darted about more like what I think of in a
hummingbird-- very good hover, rapid darting pattern with extremely sudden
stops. There were some prominent yellow and black stripes on the back,
where an abdomen would want to be--maybe two yellow and one black.

I didn't get a close enough look to categorically say there was no beak, so
I can't be sure, but I thought I saw a rather prominent probiscus for
nectar collection-- maybe some sort of odd moth??

I was with somebody else, and neither of us would identify this as a bee.
Any ideas? I'm in Western NY, if that helps.

--
Scott
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GOOGLE Bumble Bee They have several pictures.

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On May 29, 7:19 am, Scott Seidman wrote:
Trodding back to my car from a day on the water, I was passing through a
phlox patch, and saw what I thought was a large honeybee gathering
nectar.
This might seem quite stupid, but I'm pretty sure it was not a honeybee.
It seemed to be about twice the size of a honeybee. The wing beats were
extremely fast, and it darted about more like what I think of in a
hummingbird-- very good hover, rapid darting pattern with extremely
sudden
stops. There were some prominent yellow and black stripes on the back,
where an abdomen would want to be--maybe two yellow and one black.

I didn't get a close enough look to categorically say there was no beak,
so
I can't be sure, but I thought I saw a rather prominent probiscus for
nectar collection-- maybe some sort of odd moth??

I was with somebody else, and neither of us would identify this as a
bee.
Any ideas? I'm in Western NY, if that helps.

--
Scott
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Sounds like a Bumble Bee. We have them here in central Texas.


Sphinx Moth (Hyles lineata)
http://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/nat...wildlife.shtml

No entomologist or ornithologist here, but from what little I've seen of
sphinx moths myself and the little bit I've read, it appears they are more
often confused with hummingbirds than honeybees. As Scott stated, what he
saw was about twice the size of a honeybee. Do sphinx moths come in that
size range? Lots of hymenopterids do. Bumble bees around here show some
variation in size......various species?.....I dunno.....but all those I've
seen are considerably more than twice the size of a honeybee.

The prominent proboscis makes me think immediately of moths......but without
even resorting to Google I'd bet a shiny new nickel that lots of bees and
their allies do too.

Wolfgang

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On May 29, 7:19 am, Scott Seidman wrote:
Trodding back to my car from a day on the water, I was passing through a
phlox patch, and saw what I thought was a large honeybee gathering
nectar.
This might seem quite stupid, but I'm pretty sure it was not a honeybee.
It seemed to be about twice the size of a honeybee. The wing beats were
extremely fast, and it darted about more like what I think of in a
hummingbird-- very good hover, rapid darting pattern with extremely
sudden
stops. There were some prominent yellow and black stripes on the back,
where an abdomen would want to be--maybe two yellow and one black.

I didn't get a close enough look to categorically say there was no beak,
so
I can't be sure, but I thought I saw a rather prominent probiscus for
nectar collection-- maybe some sort of odd moth??

I was with somebody else, and neither of us would identify this as a bee.
Any ideas? I'm in Western NY, if that helps.

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Scott
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H..._on_flower.JPG

Probably a Hoverfly. Looks like a Honey Bee. Some look like wasps. Has a
darting flight pattern and often hovers in midair, hence the name.
Feeds on nectar of flowers.
Mike

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On May 29, 7:19 am, Scott Seidman wrote:
Trodding back to my car from a day on the water, I was passing through
a
phlox patch, and saw what I thought was a large honeybee gathering
nectar.
This might seem quite stupid, but I'm pretty sure it was not a
honeybee.
It seemed to be about twice the size of a honeybee. The wing beats
were
extremely fast, and it darted about more like what I think of in a
hummingbird-- very good hover, rapid darting pattern with extremely
sudden
stops. There were some prominent yellow and black stripes on the back,
where an abdomen would want to be--maybe two yellow and one black.

I didn't get a close enough look to categorically say there was no
beak, so
I can't be sure, but I thought I saw a rather prominent probiscus for
nectar collection-- maybe some sort of odd moth??

I was with somebody else, and neither of us would identify this as a
bee.
Any ideas? I'm in Western NY, if that helps.

--
Scott
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Sounds like a Bumble Bee. We have them here in central Texas.


Sphinx Moth (Hyles lineata)
http://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/nat...wildlife.shtml

No entomologist or ornithologist here, but from what little I've seen of
sphinx moths myself and the little bit I've read, it appears they are more
often confused with hummingbirds than honeybees. As Scott stated, what he
saw was about twice the size of a honeybee. Do sphinx moths come in that
size range? Lots of hymenopterids do. Bumble bees around here show some
variation in size......various species?.....I dunno.....but all those I've
seen are considerably more than twice the size of a honeybee.

The prominent proboscis makes me think immediately of moths......but
without even resorting to Google I'd bet a shiny new nickel that lots of
bees and their allies do too.

Wolfgang



Yes, the sphinx moth is far larger than a bumble bee and is about the same
size as a humming bird, at least the ruby throated hummingbird, which is the
only humming bird native to New York. I've seen may sphinx moths and they
would easily be mistaken for a humming bird except for the coloration.

Gene

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On May 29, 7:19 am, Scott Seidman wrote:
Trodding back to my car from a day on the water, I was passing
through a phlox patch, and saw what I thought was a large honeybee
gathering nectar. This might seem quite stupid, but I'm pretty sure
it was not a honeybee. It seemed to be about twice the size of a
honeybee. The wing beats were extremely fast, and it darted about
more like what I think of in a hummingbird-- very good hover, rapid
darting pattern with extremely sudden stops. There were some
prominent yellow and black stripes on the back, where an abdomen
would want to be--maybe two yellow and one black.

I didn't get a close enough look to categorically say there was no
beak, so I can't be sure, but I thought I saw a rather prominent
probiscus for nectar collection-- maybe some sort of odd moth??

I was with somebody else, and neither of us would identify this as a
bee. Any ideas? I'm in Western NY, if that helps.

--
Scott
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Sounds like a Bumble Bee. We have them here in central Texas.


Pretty sure it was a clear-winged hummingbird moth. The colors of the
abdomen match, and the behavior matches. I even saw it on purple phlox,
which seems to be a favorite.

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On May 29, 7:19 am, Scott Seidman wrote:
Trodding back to my car from a day on the water, I was passing
through a phlox patch, and saw what I thought was a large honeybee
gathering nectar. This might seem quite stupid, but I'm pretty sure
it was not a honeybee. It seemed to be about twice the size of a
honeybee. The wing beats were extremely fast, and it darted about
more like what I think of in a hummingbird-- very good hover, rapid
darting pattern with extremely sudden stops. There were some
prominent yellow and black stripes on the back, where an abdomen
would want to be--maybe two yellow and one black.

I didn't get a close enough look to categorically say there was no
beak, so I can't be sure, but I thought I saw a rather prominent
probiscus for nectar collection-- maybe some sort of odd moth??

I was with somebody else, and neither of us would identify this as a
bee. Any ideas? I'm in Western NY, if that helps.

--
Scott
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Sounds like a Bumble Bee. We have them here in central Texas.


Pretty sure it was a clear-winged hummingbird moth. The colors of the
abdomen match, and the behavior matches. I even saw it on purple phlox,
which seems to be a favorite.


Have a look at this site:-

www.birds-n-garden.com/hummingbird_moths.html
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Bill Grey