On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?

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rw wrote:
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You should know better. Fishing will not be banned, only golfing for
fish will be banned. Fishing for sound biological management reasons
will never be banned.

What make you think that C&R trout fishing isn't a sound biological
management practice in many cases?


It's never, ever necessary. A 'practical; slot limit can be set just
above or below the target. Imagine a 1 trout over 5 pounds limit, for
example. Far more defensable to fish for food than to fish for fun,
again, the Norwegians explain this better than I can.

That's because for those of us who read only English, their explanations (in
the original) are a great deal more comprehensible than yours.

Wolfgang

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It's never, ever necessary. A 'practical; slot limit can be set just
above or below the target. Imagine a 1 trout over 5 pounds limit, for
example. Far more defensable to fish for food than to fish for fun,
again, the Norwegians explain this better than I can.

Your pal,

TBone
A cash flow runs through it


When I fished Alaska, I got a chance to talk with the locals. When I
mentioned catch and release, they laughed. Other than being upset with the
outfitters, advertisements and hoards of fisherman that upset their rivers,
they only fish to feed their families. On the river, we saw a boat with two
Eskimos, husband and wife on our last day on the river, they caught one king
salmon and that was it, back to home. They probably come out once a week for
their catch.

We also chat with Eskimos from the village of Quinhagak, Alaska, our last
campout before pickup. I was amazed to see how primitive they still were,
where the whole village still goes out to hunt whale. They actually ring a
village bell when a whale is spotted off shore. Nothing is wasted of a whale
when they catch them.
fwiw,
-tom

In article om,
says...

Your argument reminds me of my wife who does not think we need a
hunting season on deer because enough of them get killed by cars.
Great, so lets manage our fisheries based on random mortality
introduced by stressing the **** out of the population. I hate to say
it but you folks won't last 30 seconds with Ingrid.

Oh yeah, it'd be tough to argue with Ingrid:

"Pet ownership is an abysmal situation brought about by human
manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Washingtonian, August 1986

"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, The Washington Post, November
13, 1983.


“There’s no rational basis for saying that a human being has special
rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They’re all animals.”
— Washingtonian magazine, 8/1/86

“I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don’t have
any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather
see a blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake stuff again
but at least I wouldn’t be harming anything.”
— The Washington Post, 11/13/83

“Eating meat is primitive, barbaric, and arrogant.”
— Washington City Paper, 12/20/85


Yeah, I think that C&K fishing will go over well with her.
She's a loon, is well recognized as a loon. Trying to use her to
justify your own tortured ethics isn't going to work.

You don't like C&R, that fine, but if you try to force your
ethics on others, you are no better than she is.
- Ken

On 31 Jul 2006 08:16:02 -0700, wrote:

You MUST kill every brook
trout, and you are required to release all Greenbacks. Now, when the
greenbacks can withstand some mortality, that will be allowed. As it
is, the culling of all the brook trout is beneficial, even considering
the mortality of C&R.

Uhhh, there ain't any greenbacks in the Rapid. There wouldn't have
been any brookies either if the state didn't make it C&R.

wrote:
rw wrote:

wrote:

You should know better. Fishing will not be banned, only golfing for
fish will be banned. Fishing for sound biological management reasons
will never be banned.

What make you think that C&R trout fishing isn't a sound biological
management practice in many cases?



It's never, ever necessary. A 'practical; slot limit can be set just
above or below the target. Imagine a 1 trout over 5 pounds limit, for
example.

That would effectively be C&R almost everywhere all the time. I've
caught quite a few trout this year (it's been a very good year so far)
and none of them were close to five pounds except for a bull trout
(strictly C&R).

Furthermore, a laboratory study (I can't find the source at the moment)
showed strong evidence that culling larger fish led to genetic changes
on the population in a surprisingly short time, reducing the average
size of the fish. If anything, people should be allowed to keep smaller
fish and be required to release "trophy" fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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In article om,
says...

Your argument reminds me of my wife who does not think we need a
hunting season on deer because enough of them get killed by cars.
Great, so lets manage our fisheries based on random mortality
introduced by stressing the **** out of the population. I hate to say
it but you folks won't last 30 seconds with Ingrid.

Oh yeah, it'd be tough to argue with Ingrid:

"Pet ownership is an abysmal situation brought about by human
manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Washingtonian, August 1986

"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, The Washington Post, November
13, 1983.


"There's no rational basis for saying that a human being has special
rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They're all animals."
- Washingtonian magazine, 8/1/86

"I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don't have
any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather
see a blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake stuff again
but at least I wouldn't be harming anything."
- The Washington Post, 11/13/83

"Eating meat is primitive, barbaric, and arrogant."
- Washington City Paper, 12/20/85


Yeah, I think that C&K fishing will go over well with her.
She's a loon, is well recognized as a loon. Trying to use her to
justify your own tortured ethics isn't going to work.

You don't like C&R, that fine, but if you try to force your
ethics on others, you are no better than she is.
- Ken

The fact that she has extreme views on man's relationship to animals is
not a good argument for the simple fact that, when 250 million people
are asked the question: Is it ethical to hurt, mutilate, deform, stress
and kill a wild animal, solely for fun?", you will get at least
249,999,982 million "No's". The other 18 are the bedwetters that will
grow up to be serial killers. I think it's that simple.

BTW - it is the C&R wet golfers who are the ones BY FAR that are trying
to foist their Anti-Ethics on the rest of the real-fishing public, so
be very, very careful with that double-edged axe Eugene.

Your pal,

TBone

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On 31 Jul 2006 08:16:02 -0700, wrote:

You MUST kill every brook
trout, and you are required to release all Greenbacks. Now, when the
greenbacks can withstand some mortality, that will be allowed. As it
is, the culling of all the brook trout is beneficial, even considering
the mortality of C&R.

Uhhh, there ain't any greenbacks in the Rapid. There wouldn't have
been any brookies either if the state didn't make it C&R.

Really? Even if it had been limited fishing? Even if it had been 1
brook trout over 30 pounds? C'mon, I know you're smarter than this
Dave.

Regarding the "Breeding stock" - is there some problem in your
drainage with the viability of eggs or the survivabilty of the fry, or
is there some genetic predisposition towards smaller fish that is being
compensated for. And what is the management goal, as many fish as
possible of as many large fish as possible.

Tim

On 31 Jul 2006 11:55:33 -0700, wrote:

The fact that she has extreme views on man's relationship to animals is
not a good argument for the simple fact that, when 250 million people
are asked the question: Is it ethical to hurt, mutilate, deform, stress
and kill a wild animal, solely for fun?", you will get at least
249,999,982 million "No's". The other 18 are the bedwetters that will
grow up to be serial killers.

Or rodeo cowboys...

I think it's that simple.

Simple is as simple does.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

In article .com,
says...

The fact that she has extreme views on man's relationship to animals is
not a good argument...

It's good enough if this ever were to become a political issue (it's a
non-issue so far regardless of what you claim). If anyone cared, a
couple of billboards with these quotes on them and PETA's funding would
dry up.


BTW - it is the C&R wet golfers who are the ones BY FAR that are trying
to foist their Anti-Ethics on the rest of the real-fishing public, so
be very, very careful with that double-edged axe Eugene.

I think you have to be looking for it. In all the time that I've been
fishing, I've only been told by one person that I should release all my
fish. Maybe I'm just a big scary engineer and all these "golfers" are
too afraid to let me know that I'm wrong or most fishermen only view
C&R as a management practice.
- Ken

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Really? Even if it had been limited fishing? Even if it had been 1
brook trout over 30 pounds? C'mon, I know you're smarter than this
Dave.


well...um...what do you do with the 30,000 brook trout under 30 pounds
you catch while trying to catch the one over 30 pounds?

jeff (serial killer of fish)