I pulled an Al

Ok, so once again I am the bad person! Shades of Bob Redding all over again.
Lurking renewed.

--
Dave Norton
Millennium Custom Rods
"John Kerr" wrote in message
...
Bob, as for my opinion on it all....I have been around here long enough
to know you are an honest, and straight forward person. You respect
others, and their opinions, and offer help and advice freely. How you
phrased your "header" had no bearing on my assement of your post at all.
And even though I have never returned a broken rod in my life (I just
never took the trouble), I appreciate the information you shared!
John Kerr

I'm almost tempted to take him off my killfile just to see what he
said...naw!

Warren

"Jerry Barton (NervisRek)" wrote in message
...
LMAO !!!!!

"John C. French" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:14:11 -0500, "Jerry Barton \(NervisRek\)"
wrote:

LORD, forgive me for even asking this, and perhaps waking the sleeping
idiot
savant, but where has AL been lately. Kinda' scary and quiet. Maybe
he's
working on those back order lures.


Isn't it bad enough that this thread stirred up Rodney??!!??

I'm almost tempted to take him off my killfile just to see what he
said...naw!

Warren

"Jerry Barton (NervisRek)" wrote in message
...
LMAO !!!!!

"John C. French" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:14:11 -0500, "Jerry Barton \(NervisRek\)"
wrote:

LORD, forgive me for even asking this, and perhaps waking the sleeping
idiot
savant, but where has AL been lately. Kinda' scary and quiet. Maybe
he's
working on those back order lures.


Isn't it bad enough that this thread stirred up Rodney??!!??

I don't own a 2-peice rod Bob. My flippin stick has a telescoping butt end,
that's as close as I come to one (most flippin sticks do). I'd be willing
to bet that if you took all the pros' rods in a given tourney, that you
wouldn't find a 2-piecer in the bunch.

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I want to be perfectly clear. I was honest with every manufacturer about
what happened to their rod, and I did not ask for anything for free. I
asked if it could be repaired or if there was anything they could do for
me.
I was just trying to share my surpisingly good experiences with these rod
builders. Some were definitely damaged from abuse or accidental damage.

It just so happens that the only rods I am certain were damaged were from
abuse or accidental damage were all two piece rods and it was the front
section that was damaged. I see no reason they could not have simpley
sent
back a top section with the rod for less than it would cost to buy a
complete rod with the expense of a reel seat and handle as well. I don't
know anything about rod building or what is or is not repairable.

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I was going through all my rods and could not believe the number of rods
I
broke in the last year. I decided to box them and send them back to the
various manufacturers.

Some legitimately should be replaced under warranty for things like bad
guide wrapping or eyelet inserts popping out. Others were broken due to
my
carelessness and a few I just don't know why the broke. With each one I
included an honest description of how they got broken and what was wrong
with them. I also included a check for $10 for return shipping with
each
package except for Lamiglass which specifies 14.50 on their website.

Here is what I have so far.

Silstar/Pinnacle. One Rod Sent. The fastest return was from them. I
sent
them a rod I gave my son for his birthday. I set a tool box down on it
when
fishing and broke it. Out of warranty, and definitely not the fault of
the
rod. They sent back a better quality rod than the broken one because
the
broken one was no longer in production. No problems, no questions.

St Croix one rod was definitely defective with an insert that had popped
out, and I "found" the tip broken off the other. I think atleast one of
them was less than a year old, but I could not find the receipts. The
arrived the day after the Silstar rod with a note about things I should
do
to take better care of my rods.

Quantum. Two rods. Both probably broken from carelessness. No
problem.
One was no longer in production so they upgrade to slightly more
expensive
rod. I had no receipts included with these rods. These arrived back
the
same day as the St Croix rods.

Bass Pro Shops. Returned two identical Bionic Blade IM-8 rods. Both
were
defective. One had bad eyelet wrap glue and the eyes were coming off
the
other broke mid section when it was picked up with very little use or
abuse
(I don't care for these all that much because they are heavy.) I
received
one brand new replacement today, with reason why they only sent one.

Fenwick. Sent two almost new Eagle GT rods along with a receipt for 5
rods.
(I like these for light spinner baits and crank baits.) One was
definitely
defective, and one was stepped on. I haven't yet heard from them. They
received my package on t he 17th.

Lamiglas. Sent one 3 wt rod with receipt, and a check for 14.50.
definitely under warranty damage was questionable. The tip of the rod
broke
off in transit to the ABA classic in November. The rod had seen very
little
use, and I don't think I did anything to damage it. When I took it out
of
the rod cover the tip was hanging from the line. I haven't heard from
them
yet. The did cash my check. It hit my account on the 24th. The
package
was delivered to them on the 17th.

Pflueger. Sent two rods with no receipt. Both damaged by abuse. No
response.

I would say that Silstar and St Croix both went beyond what they were
obligated to do. I am concerned about Lamiglass and Fenwick. I haven't
a
clue what to think about Bass Pro Shops given their normally more than
generous return policy.

Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

I don't own a 2-peice rod Bob. My flippin stick has a telescoping butt end,
that's as close as I come to one (most flippin sticks do). I'd be willing
to bet that if you took all the pros' rods in a given tourney, that you
wouldn't find a 2-piecer in the bunch.

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I want to be perfectly clear. I was honest with every manufacturer about
what happened to their rod, and I did not ask for anything for free. I
asked if it could be repaired or if there was anything they could do for
me.
I was just trying to share my surpisingly good experiences with these rod
builders. Some were definitely damaged from abuse or accidental damage.

It just so happens that the only rods I am certain were damaged were from
abuse or accidental damage were all two piece rods and it was the front
section that was damaged. I see no reason they could not have simpley
sent
back a top section with the rod for less than it would cost to buy a
complete rod with the expense of a reel seat and handle as well. I don't
know anything about rod building or what is or is not repairable.

--
** FREE Fishing Lures
** Weekly drawing
** Public Fishing and Boating Forums
** www.YumaBassMan.com


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I was going through all my rods and could not believe the number of rods
I
broke in the last year. I decided to box them and send them back to the
various manufacturers.

Some legitimately should be replaced under warranty for things like bad
guide wrapping or eyelet inserts popping out. Others were broken due to
my
carelessness and a few I just don't know why the broke. With each one I
included an honest description of how they got broken and what was wrong
with them. I also included a check for $10 for return shipping with
each
package except for Lamiglass which specifies 14.50 on their website.

Here is what I have so far.

Silstar/Pinnacle. One Rod Sent. The fastest return was from them. I
sent
them a rod I gave my son for his birthday. I set a tool box down on it
when
fishing and broke it. Out of warranty, and definitely not the fault of
the
rod. They sent back a better quality rod than the broken one because
the
broken one was no longer in production. No problems, no questions.

St Croix one rod was definitely defective with an insert that had popped
out, and I "found" the tip broken off the other. I think atleast one of
them was less than a year old, but I could not find the receipts. The
arrived the day after the Silstar rod with a note about things I should
do
to take better care of my rods.

Quantum. Two rods. Both probably broken from carelessness. No
problem.
One was no longer in production so they upgrade to slightly more
expensive
rod. I had no receipts included with these rods. These arrived back
the
same day as the St Croix rods.

Bass Pro Shops. Returned two identical Bionic Blade IM-8 rods. Both
were
defective. One had bad eyelet wrap glue and the eyes were coming off
the
other broke mid section when it was picked up with very little use or
abuse
(I don't care for these all that much because they are heavy.) I
received
one brand new replacement today, with reason why they only sent one.

Fenwick. Sent two almost new Eagle GT rods along with a receipt for 5
rods.
(I like these for light spinner baits and crank baits.) One was
definitely
defective, and one was stepped on. I haven't yet heard from them. They
received my package on t he 17th.

Lamiglas. Sent one 3 wt rod with receipt, and a check for 14.50.
definitely under warranty damage was questionable. The tip of the rod
broke
off in transit to the ABA classic in November. The rod had seen very
little
use, and I don't think I did anything to damage it. When I took it out
of
the rod cover the tip was hanging from the line. I haven't heard from
them
yet. The did cash my check. It hit my account on the 24th. The
package
was delivered to them on the 17th.

Pflueger. Sent two rods with no receipt. Both damaged by abuse. No
response.

I would say that Silstar and St Croix both went beyond what they were
obligated to do. I am concerned about Lamiglass and Fenwick. I haven't
a
clue what to think about Bass Pro Shops given their normally more than
generous return policy.

Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

I lost a bass on a CC Spot once, do you believe I wrote the company & they
didn't send me one darn bass?!

Warren ;-)

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
I have broken a couple of rods from accident and from just crap rods.
Lost
the ends off 2 of them years ago when the wind blew the hatchback on my
Rabbit down on the rods as was unloading. And I have had 2 of the same
brand and model rod break at the same time, One broke and when I looked
at
the other, the center section was split. Cost me $10 each for replacement
on the crap rods. If you are going to replace crap rods, then there
should
not be any charge. So they pretty much cover abuse cost, with the charge
they extract for replacing crappy rods. And I have had expensive rods
lose
eye inserts shortly after purchase, as well as first fish of any size on
the
rod and the rod became a 2 piece. Some I paid to fix, or rewrapped the
eye
as too much effort to send in. Same with a broken PacHawk sal****er rod
that is still on the workbench 2 years after being broken on the first
trip
and a 10# fish on. To not break a rod in all those years is just plain
good
luck. Same with Cotton Cordell. I still avoid their lures most of the
time. I had the eyelet come out of a Cordell Spot on the first cast. So
I
sent it back. They sent me back 1 lure. So I was out the extra cost of
postage and packaging for there failure to manufacture good stuff as well
as
screwing up my fishing as I had to go into the weeds to recover the
remains
of the lure.
bill

"Bob Rickard" wrote in message
. com...
IMHO, products damaged by user accidents or abuse should NEVER be
replaced
for "free", and we are kidding ourselves if we pretend they should be.
No
business trying to stay alive can just eat the costs involved, meaning
they
are obviously passed on to future customers by raising prices on their
products.

Personally, in almost 60 years of fishing, I have been lucky to never
having
broken a rod through any accidents or abuse (probably because I am
careful
by nature), so I therefore resent having to pay for the carelessness of
others. I believe that it is only right that businesses wake up and
revert
to the honest policy that "You break it, you buy it," and quit
penalizing
the rest of us.

--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I was going through all my rods and could not believe the number of
rods
I
broke in the last year. I decided to box them and send them back to
the
various manufacturers.

Some legitimately should be replaced under warranty for things like
bad
guide wrapping or eyelet inserts popping out. Others were broken due
to
my
carelessness and a few I just don't know why the broke. With each one
I
included an honest description of how they got broken and what was
wrong
with them. I also included a check for $10 for return shipping with
each
package except for Lamiglass which specifies 14.50 on their website.

Here is what I have so far.

Silstar/Pinnacle. One Rod Sent. The fastest return was from them. I
sent
them a rod I gave my son for his birthday. I set a tool box down on
it
when
fishing and broke it. Out of warranty, and definitely not the fault
of
the
rod. They sent back a better quality rod than the broken one because
the
broken one was no longer in production. No problems, no questions.

St Croix one rod was definitely defective with an insert that had
popped
out, and I "found" the tip broken off the other. I think atleast one
of
them was less than a year old, but I could not find the receipts. The
arrived the day after the Silstar rod with a note about things I
should
do
to take better care of my rods.

Quantum. Two rods. Both probably broken from carelessness. No
problem.
One was no longer in production so they upgrade to slightly more
expensive
rod. I had no receipts included with these rods. These arrived back
the
same day as the St Croix rods.

Bass Pro Shops. Returned two identical Bionic Blade IM-8 rods. Both
were
defective. One had bad eyelet wrap glue and the eyes were coming off
the
other broke mid section when it was picked up with very little use or
abuse
(I don't care for these all that much because they are heavy.) I
received
one brand new replacement today, with reason why they only sent one.

Fenwick. Sent two almost new Eagle GT rods along with a receipt for 5
rods.
(I like these for light spinner baits and crank baits.) One was
definitely
defective, and one was stepped on. I haven't yet heard from them.
They
received my package on t he 17th.

Lamiglas. Sent one 3 wt rod with receipt, and a check for 14.50.
definitely under warranty damage was questionable. The tip of the rod
broke
off in transit to the ABA classic in November. The rod had seen very
little
use, and I don't think I did anything to damage it. When I took it
out
of
the rod cover the tip was hanging from the line. I haven't heard from
them
yet. The did cash my check. It hit my account on the 24th. The
package
was delivered to them on the 17th.

Pflueger. Sent two rods with no receipt. Both damaged by abuse. No
response.

I would say that Silstar and St Croix both went beyond what they were
obligated to do. I am concerned about Lamiglass and Fenwick. I
haven't
a
clue what to think about Bass Pro Shops given their normally more than
generous return policy.

Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

I lost a bass on a CC Spot once, do you believe I wrote the company & they
didn't send me one darn bass?!

Warren ;-)

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
I have broken a couple of rods from accident and from just crap rods.
Lost
the ends off 2 of them years ago when the wind blew the hatchback on my
Rabbit down on the rods as was unloading. And I have had 2 of the same
brand and model rod break at the same time, One broke and when I looked
at
the other, the center section was split. Cost me $10 each for replacement
on the crap rods. If you are going to replace crap rods, then there
should
not be any charge. So they pretty much cover abuse cost, with the charge
they extract for replacing crappy rods. And I have had expensive rods
lose
eye inserts shortly after purchase, as well as first fish of any size on
the
rod and the rod became a 2 piece. Some I paid to fix, or rewrapped the
eye
as too much effort to send in. Same with a broken PacHawk sal****er rod
that is still on the workbench 2 years after being broken on the first
trip
and a 10# fish on. To not break a rod in all those years is just plain
good
luck. Same with Cotton Cordell. I still avoid their lures most of the
time. I had the eyelet come out of a Cordell Spot on the first cast. So
I
sent it back. They sent me back 1 lure. So I was out the extra cost of
postage and packaging for there failure to manufacture good stuff as well
as
screwing up my fishing as I had to go into the weeds to recover the
remains
of the lure.
bill

"Bob Rickard" wrote in message
. com...
IMHO, products damaged by user accidents or abuse should NEVER be
replaced
for "free", and we are kidding ourselves if we pretend they should be.
No
business trying to stay alive can just eat the costs involved, meaning
they
are obviously passed on to future customers by raising prices on their
products.

Personally, in almost 60 years of fishing, I have been lucky to never
having
broken a rod through any accidents or abuse (probably because I am
careful
by nature), so I therefore resent having to pay for the carelessness of
others. I believe that it is only right that businesses wake up and
revert
to the honest policy that "You break it, you buy it," and quit
penalizing
the rest of us.

--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I was going through all my rods and could not believe the number of
rods
I
broke in the last year. I decided to box them and send them back to
the
various manufacturers.

Some legitimately should be replaced under warranty for things like
bad
guide wrapping or eyelet inserts popping out. Others were broken due
to
my
carelessness and a few I just don't know why the broke. With each one
I
included an honest description of how they got broken and what was
wrong
with them. I also included a check for $10 for return shipping with
each
package except for Lamiglass which specifies 14.50 on their website.

Here is what I have so far.

Silstar/Pinnacle. One Rod Sent. The fastest return was from them. I
sent
them a rod I gave my son for his birthday. I set a tool box down on
it
when
fishing and broke it. Out of warranty, and definitely not the fault
of
the
rod. They sent back a better quality rod than the broken one because
the
broken one was no longer in production. No problems, no questions.

St Croix one rod was definitely defective with an insert that had
popped
out, and I "found" the tip broken off the other. I think atleast one
of
them was less than a year old, but I could not find the receipts. The
arrived the day after the Silstar rod with a note about things I
should
do
to take better care of my rods.

Quantum. Two rods. Both probably broken from carelessness. No
problem.
One was no longer in production so they upgrade to slightly more
expensive
rod. I had no receipts included with these rods. These arrived back
the
same day as the St Croix rods.

Bass Pro Shops. Returned two identical Bionic Blade IM-8 rods. Both
were
defective. One had bad eyelet wrap glue and the eyes were coming off
the
other broke mid section when it was picked up with very little use or
abuse
(I don't care for these all that much because they are heavy.) I
received
one brand new replacement today, with reason why they only sent one.

Fenwick. Sent two almost new Eagle GT rods along with a receipt for 5
rods.
(I like these for light spinner baits and crank baits.) One was
definitely
defective, and one was stepped on. I haven't yet heard from them.
They
received my package on t he 17th.

Lamiglas. Sent one 3 wt rod with receipt, and a check for 14.50.
definitely under warranty damage was questionable. The tip of the rod
broke
off in transit to the ABA classic in November. The rod had seen very
little
use, and I don't think I did anything to damage it. When I took it
out
of
the rod cover the tip was hanging from the line. I haven't heard from
them
yet. The did cash my check. It hit my account on the 24th. The
package
was delivered to them on the 17th.

Pflueger. Sent two rods with no receipt. Both damaged by abuse. No
response.

I would say that Silstar and St Croix both went beyond what they were
obligated to do. I am concerned about Lamiglass and Fenwick. I
haven't
a
clue what to think about Bass Pro Shops given their normally more than
generous return policy.

Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

I rarely post to this group, mostly I just read and learn, but what I've
read in this post gets to basic things. What is right! and What is wrong!
Why would you even try to get equipment replaced because of negligence on
your own part?

To me, in my own opinion, it is basically a matter of personal integrity and
your misunderstanding of the importance of it. Perhaps, in the end, we
won't get questiooned on how many fishing rods we got replaced, but rather
how many were replaced honestly.
--
Mike

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
SNIP I was going through all my rods and could not believe the number of
rods I
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Good Grief! I give up.

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** Weekly drawing
** Public Fishing and Boating Forums
** www.YumaBassMan.com


"Mike in GA" wrote in message
news:bCurd.428910$wV.5924@attbi_s54...
I rarely post to this group, mostly I just read and learn, but what I've
read in this post gets to basic things. What is right! and What is wrong!
Why would you even try to get equipment replaced because of negligence on
your own part?

To me, in my own opinion, it is basically a matter of personal integrity
and
your misunderstanding of the importance of it. Perhaps, in the end, we
won't get questiooned on how many fishing rods we got replaced, but rather
how many were replaced honestly.
--
Mike

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
SNIP I was going through all my rods and could not believe the number of
rods I
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Good Grief! I give up.

--
** FREE Fishing Lures
** Weekly drawing
** Public Fishing and Boating Forums
** www.YumaBassMan.com


"Mike in GA" wrote in message
news:bCurd.428910$wV.5924@attbi_s54...
I rarely post to this group, mostly I just read and learn, but what I've
read in this post gets to basic things. What is right! and What is wrong!
Why would you even try to get equipment replaced because of negligence on
your own part?

To me, in my own opinion, it is basically a matter of personal integrity
and
your misunderstanding of the importance of it. Perhaps, in the end, we
won't get questiooned on how many fishing rods we got replaced, but rather
how many were replaced honestly.
--
Mike

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
SNIP I was going through all my rods and could not believe the number of
rods I
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com