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Old January 18th, 2004, 08:47 PM
rb608
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I've read the books and the online tutorials; but I'm having just s bit of
trouble with this dubbing loop thing. I'm hoping somebody's explanation can
shorten the learning curve a bit for me.

At a glance, this seems as though it should be a lot simpler than I'm
experiencing. I make the loop and open it with my fingers to insert the fur
dubbing. What I can't seem to manage is an even distribution of the
material nor keeping all of the material in place as I move down the loop.
Any tips?

Joe F.


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Old January 18th, 2004, 11:23 PM
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Use wax. Put your middle finger in the loop at the bottom. Your thumb and
forefinger are used to pinch the dubbing loop closed. After material is
aligned, take your middle finger o0utof the looop, put tension on the loop and
pinch loop shut. While keeping tension, spin loop. Keep tension from spinner
and "move the twist" up to the dubbing with your other thumb nail and
forefinger. Repeat until desired amount of twist is obtained. I like to align
material on a bulldog clip of Magic Tool for insertion of material into the
loop. It does take practice to get a good touch with some material.

Lou T
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Old January 19th, 2004, 02:12 AM
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"rb608" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
I've read the books and the online tutorials; but I'm having just s bit of
trouble with this dubbing loop thing. I'm hoping somebody's explanation

can
shorten the learning curve a bit for me.

At a glance, this seems as though it should be a lot simpler than I'm
experiencing. I make the loop and open it with my fingers to insert the

fur
dubbing. What I can't seem to manage is an even distribution of the
material nor keeping all of the material in place as I move down the loop.
Any tips?

Joe F.



Use this;
http://www.pechetruite.com/Mouches/dubbing-e.htm

http://www.pechetruite.com/Mouches/dubbing2-e.htm

http://www.sexyloops.com/connorsmetre/dubbing.shtml

http://www.roughfish.com/dubloop.html

http://newzealandfishing.com/articles/hair_flies.htm

TL
MC



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Old January 19th, 2004, 12:37 PM
Tony & Barb Vellturo
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Default Dubbing loop question

This is the method I use. Wax a length of thread. Place dubbing on
thread. Place "spinner" at end of dubbing, bring unwaxed end of
thread back up to hook to form loop. Wind thread a couple of wraps to
secure it and then spin to make noodle. This method allows even
distribution of dubbing.



On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:47:03 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

I've read the books and the online tutorials; but I'm having just s bit of
trouble with this dubbing loop thing. I'm hoping somebody's explanation can
shorten the learning curve a bit for me.

At a glance, this seems as though it should be a lot simpler than I'm
experiencing. I make the loop and open it with my fingers to insert the fur
dubbing. What I can't seem to manage is an even distribution of the
material nor keeping all of the material in place as I move down the loop.
Any tips?

Joe F.



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Old January 20th, 2004, 04:36 PM
D. Rocksvold
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Default Dubbing loop question

I tried and failed at using the dubbing loop last night. I ended up just
applying it by hand. It looks so easy when I see other people using the
loop, it frustrates me...

By the way, what was the address to send the completed flies/tags to. I
finished tying mine last night at work. I just need to make up the tags.

Dustin

"rb608" wrote in message
...
I've read the books and the online tutorials; but I'm having just s bit of
trouble with this dubbing loop thing. I'm hoping somebody's explanation

can
shorten the learning curve a bit for me.

At a glance, this seems as though it should be a lot simpler than I'm
experiencing. I make the loop and open it with my fingers to insert the

fur
dubbing. What I can't seem to manage is an even distribution of the
material nor keeping all of the material in place as I move down the loop.
Any tips?

Joe F.




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Old January 20th, 2004, 04:40 PM
Mike Connor
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Default Dubbing loop question

"rb608" wrote in message
...
I've read the books and the online tutorials; but I'm having just s bit

of
trouble with this dubbing loop thing. I'm hoping somebody's explanation

can
shorten the learning curve a bit for me.

At a glance, this seems as though it should be a lot simpler than I'm
experiencing. I make the loop and open it with my fingers to insert the

fur
dubbing. What I can't seem to manage is an even distribution of the
material nor keeping all of the material in place as I move down the

loop.
Any tips?

Joe F.



It occurred to me, after reading your post again, and noticing that you
wrote "as I move down the loop", that you will find it a lot easier if you
keep the loop horizontal, when adding dubbing.

TL
MC


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Old January 20th, 2004, 04:49 PM
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"D. Rocksvold" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s04...
I tried and failed at using the dubbing loop last night. I ended up just
applying it by hand. It looks so easy when I see other people using the
loop, it frustrates me...


I've managed to succeed in getting the fur into the loop well enough, but
I'm still unhappy with the finished look after wrapping on the hook. Too
much material, yet too little at the same time. I think I'm going to head
out to a local fly shop for a little hands-on.


By the way, what was the address to send the completed flies/tags to. I
finished tying mine last night at work. I just need to make up the tags.


The shipping address is:
Joe Fleischman
P.O. Box 171
Bel Air, MD 21014

If you haven't, check out the "Tags" page on the FS website:
http://home.att.net/~fleischman/FStags.htm

YOMAS,
Joe F.


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Old January 20th, 2004, 05:00 PM
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"Mike Connor" Mike-Connor wrote in message
It occurred to me, after reading your post again, and noticing that you
wrote "as I move down the loop", that you will find it a lot easier if

you
keep the loop horizontal, when adding dubbing.


Although I didn't actually mean "down" in my post, you are right about that
horizontal thing. That's one tip I figured out myself the hard way. BTW,
thanks for the links, though I'd already found 4 out of the 5.

My present troubles seem to result from the dubbed fur being too long.
After I get it spun in the loop & begin wrapping, I'm getting too much of
the material wrapping itself around the hook shank when I want it sticking
out for the body. I'm cutting very soft rabbit fur directly off the skin &
it's about 1.5 cm long. Should I be using shorter material? If so,
how/when is the best way to trim it?

Joe F.
(& don't get me started on the static electricity thing.)


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Old January 20th, 2004, 05:03 PM
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"rb608" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Mike Connor" Mike-Connor wrote in message
It occurred to me, after reading your post again, and noticing that you
wrote "as I move down the loop", that you will find it a lot easier if

you
keep the loop horizontal, when adding dubbing.


Although I didn't actually mean "down" in my post, you are right about

that
horizontal thing. That's one tip I figured out myself the hard way. BTW,
thanks for the links, though I'd already found 4 out of the 5.

My present troubles seem to result from the dubbed fur being too long.
After I get it spun in the loop & begin wrapping, I'm getting too much of
the material wrapping itself around the hook shank when I want it sticking
out for the body. I'm cutting very soft rabbit fur directly off the skin

&
it's about 1.5 cm long. Should I be using shorter material? If so,
how/when is the best way to trim it?

Joe F.
(& don't get me started on the static electricity thing.)



Very soft fur is difficult to dub in this way, also, the stuff you are using
is really too long for this particular loop method. Use a beard trimmer,
or similar, to cut hair about 0.5 cm long. This will stand out better.

You can also cut the 1.5 cm long hair, twice, and achieve the same thing.
You get a lot more "blunt" ends sticking out, but that does not matter.

It is in any case much easier to use a dubbing block for such soft hair.
This is just a piece of wood with a groove in it, and a pin at one end (
headless finishing nail or similar).

Place the thread in the groove, lay your dubbing over it, spaced as you
require it, loop the thread over the nail, and back over the dubbing, ( you
can also use copper wire etc), and then simply twist the thread by letting
your hackle pliers ( with both ends of the thread), spin below the block.

When applying very long dubbing in a loop, then you must stroke the hair
back at every turn around the hook shank, ( just like you would for tying in
long hackles). This prevents too much of it folding under. You can brush it
up to stand out again when you are finished, using a piece of velcro on a
lolly stick.

TL
MC


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Old January 20th, 2004, 05:11 PM
Mike Connor
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You should use metal tweezers for placing the dubbing either in the hanging
loop, or on the dubbing block. This eliminates a lot of static problems.
Doing it with your fingers can be a real pain.

Lastly, you can use a bulldog clip here to aid you. Clear plastic ones
which close accurately are the best. Although metal ones may be better if
you have problems with static.

Place the bulldog clip over the hair on the pelt which you wish to use. The
hair inside the bulldog clip should be slightly shorter than the length you
require. Now take your scissors, and cut along the hair, leaving at least a
millimetre or so sticking out of the clip.

Form your dubbing loop. Open it slightly, offer the clip up to the loop, and
allow the loop to close over the hair butts which are sticking out of the
clip. Pull the loop taut, remove the clip, and spin the loop tight.

This is easy to do, and results in dubbing with very short roots on one side
of the loop. This is easier to tie in without "folding" etc.

TL
MC





 




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