newby questions!!

I am a beginner who needs to know the basics of rod weights, reel
weights, and line weights.
I fish for pansize trout in small creeks, half pound steelhead in
small creeks and adult steelhead
in both small creeks and good sized rivers (ie the sacramento river)
and king salmon in good sized
rivers.
I have several reels going from a hardy lrc lightweight all the way up
to a okuma 7-9 weight. (and a
6-8 weight and a sth #2 and a sth #3, the #2 about a 6 weight and the
#3 about a 8 weight)
I have rods going from a 6 weight glass to a tfo 9 weight. I have
lines going from a 6 weight
floating to a 8 weight floating, and just recently bought a sized 2
intermediate orvis floating
line. The flies I use go from size 10 with several split shots to
size 22 dry flies.

What line weights should I use? Does the size of the fly dictate what
size rod to use? Like if
you use a size 22 fly use a 2 weight rod and reel? If you are using
size 12 flys with several
split shots on a 7-8 weight, what is going to be the difference
between a 6 weight line, a 8 weight line,
and a 9 weight line? How would the 2 weight sinking line be on a
7-8 weight rod and reel? How would the hardy lrc handle 2 weight
orvis sinking line?

I am thinking of getting a rod specifically for small creeks using
size 16 -22 drys and nymphs,
how would a 2 weight be? Would I be able to use my lrc on a 2 weight?

If I am throwing alot of lead on a 6-8 weight reel and 7-8 rod should
I use 9 weight line? Would it
make it easier to throw the line and get the sunk fly out from the
water?

What does it mean to "turn over" a fly?

Wow..............................................I think you should open a
fly shop with all that tackle.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com


"katie star" wrote in message
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I am a beginner who needs to know the basics of rod weights, reel
weights, and line weights.
I fish for pansize trout in small creeks, half pound steelhead in
small creeks and adult steelhead
in both small creeks and good sized rivers (ie the sacramento river)
and king salmon in good sized
rivers.
I have several reels going from a hardy lrc lightweight all the way up
to a okuma 7-9 weight. (and a
6-8 weight and a sth #2 and a sth #3, the #2 about a 6 weight and the
#3 about a 8 weight)
I have rods going from a 6 weight glass to a tfo 9 weight. I have
lines going from a 6 weight
floating to a 8 weight floating, and just recently bought a sized 2
intermediate orvis floating
line. The flies I use go from size 10 with several split shots to
size 22 dry flies.

What line weights should I use? Does the size of the fly dictate what
size rod to use? Like if
you use a size 22 fly use a 2 weight rod and reel? If you are using
size 12 flys with several
split shots on a 7-8 weight, what is going to be the difference
between a 6 weight line, a 8 weight line,
and a 9 weight line? How would the 2 weight sinking line be on a
7-8 weight rod and reel? How would the hardy lrc handle 2 weight
orvis sinking line?

I am thinking of getting a rod specifically for small creeks using
size 16 -22 drys and nymphs,
how would a 2 weight be? Would I be able to use my lrc on a 2 weight?

If I am throwing alot of lead on a 6-8 weight reel and 7-8 rod should
I use 9 weight line? Would it
make it easier to throw the line and get the sunk fly out from the
water?

What does it mean to "turn over" a fly?

"katie star" wrote...
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What does it mean to "turn over" a fly?

It's very important to check whether male or female prior to casting (or, if
Wally ties it on, neutered.)
--
HTH,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

"katie star" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I am a beginner who needs to know the basics of rod weights, reel
weights, and line weights.
I fish for pansize trout in small creeks, half pound steelhead in
small creeks and adult steelhead
in both small creeks and good sized rivers (ie the sacramento river)
and king salmon in good sized
rivers.

Under normal circumtances, the size of the fly dictates the line weight
required, and this dictates the rod required. You can basically use any
reel which fits on the rod, but the lightest reel is usually the best
choice.


I have several reels going from a hardy lrc lightweight all the way up
to a okuma 7-9 weight. (and a
6-8 weight and a sth #2 and a sth #3, the #2 about a 6 weight and the
#3 about a 8 weight)
I have rods going from a 6 weight glass to a tfo 9 weight. I have
lines going from a 6 weight
floating to a 8 weight floating, and just recently bought a sized 2
intermediate orvis floating
line. The flies I use go from size 10 with several split shots to
size 22 dry flies.


You should start with one set of gear, until you get the hang of things.
Either a #5 weight rod from 8 to 9 feet, or a #6 weight. For most fishing,
as you described, a floating line is sufficient. On a #5 weight rod, (
although many people nowadays prefer to use a #4 weight for the fishing you
describe), use a #5 weight DT ( Double taper).


What line weights should I use? Does the size of the fly dictate what
size rod to use? Like if
you use a size 22 fly use a 2 weight rod and reel? If you are using
size 12 flys with several
split shots on a 7-8 weight, what is going to be the difference
between a 6 weight line, a 8 weight line,
and a 9 weight line? How would the 2 weight sinking line be on a
7-8 weight rod and reel? How would the hardy lrc handle 2 weight
orvis sinking line?


Too many questions, which are the result of too much gear, and trying to do
too much at once. Stick to one rig at first, and learn how to use it.

I am thinking of getting a rod specifically for small creeks using
size 16 -22 drys and nymphs,
how would a 2 weight be? Would I be able to use my lrc on a 2 weight?


Don´t waste any more money, until you know what you are doing!

If I am throwing alot of lead on a 6-8 weight reel and 7-8 rod should
I use 9 weight line? Would it
make it easier to throw the line and get the sunk fly out from the
water?


Throwing a lot of lead with a fly-rod is rarely a good idea. If you wish to
do it, then the heavier the line you use, the less difficult it is. This may
not be particularly enjoyable though. Also, casting heavier lines than the
rod is rated for, may cause you problems, although most rods can be
overlined by up to two line ratings, as long as you are not trying for
distance. Using a heavyier line will also make the rod feel slow and
"sluggish". Going too heavy, may strain or break it.


What does it mean to "turn over" a fly?

"Turn over" is when the leader unfurls, and lies more or less "straight",
on the water.

TL
MC

Quite a serious troll there... However, a bit off putting as it were. For a
better understanding you must realize that it is all about resource
acquisition. Females desiring and males displaying.... a smaller display of
resources by the female will win a greater response by the male.

I only know two men in this group who could even compete and they are
already married -unalterably so - to the two sweetest little ladies I
know...

john

"katie star" wrote in message
om...
I am a beginner who needs to know the basics of rod weights, reel
weights, and line weights.
I fish for pansize trout in small creeks, half pound steelhead in
small creeks and adult steelhead
in both small creeks and good sized rivers (ie the sacramento river)
and king salmon in good sized
rivers.
I have several reels going from a hardy lrc lightweight all the way up
to a okuma 7-9 weight. (and a
6-8 weight and a sth #2 and a sth #3, the #2 about a 6 weight and the
#3 about a 8 weight)
I have rods going from a 6 weight glass to a tfo 9 weight. I have
lines going from a 6 weight
floating to a 8 weight floating, and just recently bought a sized 2
intermediate orvis floating
line. The flies I use go from size 10 with several split shots to
size 22 dry flies.

What line weights should I use? Does the size of the fly dictate what
size rod to use? Like if
you use a size 22 fly use a 2 weight rod and reel? If you are using
size 12 flys with several
split shots on a 7-8 weight, what is going to be the difference
between a 6 weight line, a 8 weight line,
and a 9 weight line? How would the 2 weight sinking line be on a
7-8 weight rod and reel? How would the hardy lrc handle 2 weight
orvis sinking line?

I am thinking of getting a rod specifically for small creeks using
size 16 -22 drys and nymphs,
how would a 2 weight be? Would I be able to use my lrc on a 2 weight?

If I am throwing alot of lead on a 6-8 weight reel and 7-8 rod should
I use 9 weight line? Would it
make it easier to throw the line and get the sunk fly out from the
water?

What does it mean to "turn over" a fly?

"asadi" wrote in message ...
Quite a serious troll there... However, a bit off putting as it were. weights, and line weights.
I fish for pansize trout

How was this a troll? Or off putting? I do not see how it is either
a troll or off putting.

katie star wrote:
"asadi" wrote:

Quite a serious troll there...

How was this a troll? Or off putting? I do not see how it is either
a troll or off putting.

You claim to own thousands of dollars worth of high quality fly fishing
equipment yet profess to know nothing of the sport. Either there's
something you have omitted from your "hello roff", or you are exactly
as John describes you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote in message gy.com...
katie star wrote:
"asadi" wrote:

Quite a serious troll there...

How was this a troll? Or off putting? I do not see how it is either
a troll or off putting.

You claim to own thousands of dollars worth of high quality fly fishing
equipment yet profess to know nothing of the sport.


You are NOT a nice person.
1) I did not say I know nothing, I said I am a beginner. I said I own
"thousands of dollrs worth of high quality fly fishing equipment"?
Let me quote what I said:

"I have several reels going from a hardy lrc lightweight all the way
up
to a okuma 7-9 weight. (and a
6-8 weight and a sth #2 and a sth #3, the #2 about a 6 weight and the
#3 about a 8 weight)
I have rods going from a 6 weight glass to a tfo 9 weight. I have
lines going from a 6 weight
floating to a 8 weight floating, and just recently bought a sized 2
intermediate orvis floating
line. "

The hardy is a hand me down from my grandfather. You can get one for
about $200 new. The okuma 7-9 weight? About $40. The sth #2 and #3?
About $50. The sized 2 intermediate orvis line was $10 from sierra
trading post. The tfo was about $89. Several of the 6, 6/7, 8 wegiht
rods including the fiberglass are probably worth about $25 and were
hand me downs from my grandfather.

What kind of asshole calls a post asking simple questions a troll? A
troll is when someone makes a inflamatory post trying to get people to
reply. What was inflamatory? I think you are a lot closer to a troll
than I am.

How many people out here had questions about what sized line/reel/rod
to use? Probably a lot.

"katie star" wrote...
Ken Fortenberry wrote...
katie star wrote:
"asadi" wrote:

Quite a serious troll there...

How was this a troll? Or off putting? I do not see how it is either
a troll or off putting.

You claim to own thousands of dollars worth of high quality fly fishing
equipment yet profess to know nothing of the sport.


You are NOT a nice person.
1) I did not say I know nothing, I said I am a beginner. I said I own
"thousands of dollrs worth of high quality fly fishing equipment"?

Um, where did Ken say he was a nice person?

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What kind of asshole calls a post asking simple questions a troll?

That would be an elitist asshole.

A troll is when someone makes a inflamatory post trying to get people to
reply. What was inflamatory? I think you are a lot closer to a troll
than I am.

How many people out here had questions about what sized line/reel/rod
to use? Probably a lot.

A lot of people may also have consulted a beginner's guide to fly fishing.
You'll learn much more of the starting stuff taking the time to read some
literature that is readily available at the library or a book store. After that,
come back and post some questions to fill in the gaps. All this is, of course,
is just IMHO.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

"katie star" wrote in message
...
You are NOT a nice person.

OK, you figured that out.

Keep in mind that we see similar questions several times a year and it gets
boring, you know? Maybe you should start at Google groups and do a search
in r.o.f.f. and see if the question has come up before. Although there are
lots of knowledgeable people hanging out here, nobody is required to help
you, and certainly, nobody is required to be nice. Seeing the bad start you
made, maybe you should consider that your question was mis-stated or somehow
annoying and rather than whining about it, you might just want to simplify
and build on that. Just trying to be helpful.

The list of fly sizes and line weights you posted for Bill Kiene is a start
but way off. Fly sizes spread over line weights with a lot of overlap. I
usually fish a 4 wt. and use flies from size 22 - 6. Tippet size (and
stiffness) is also a factor - it's hard to turn over a size 6 green drake on
7x tippet and you can't (actually *I* can't) even thread 3x through a size
22 hook eye. I think you asked what 'turn over' meant? Really there's no
turning involved, just unrolling the loop all the way - you want the fly to
be past the loop when it lands so there's no loop of tippet tangling the fly
in the water. If the tippet is too wimpy for your fly the energy from the
fly line will not reach the fly and you'll have a big pile-o-tippet. (But
sometimes that can be a good thing).

Here's a good chart to see the relationship between tippet size and fly
size. This is one of the things you just do by instinct after a while. I
can tell what kind of leader I need for a given fly and will rebuild as
necessary if I need to make a major change (say from a size 16 dry fly to a
size 8 nymph)
http://www.killroys.com/leaders/leaders.htm
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps