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Old November 23rd, 2005, 04:39 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.bass
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Joe, how did Fralick earn that honor?

Warren

"Joe Z" wrote in message
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"go-bassn" wrote in message
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This is an opportunity for some enterprising individual(s) to purchase

the
Federation & do things right. Wish I had that kinda cash...

Warren


I don't know Warren. I figured there were only really two benefits to the
Federation. To create a larger local tournament venue, and to provide a
back door into BASS competition.

What would they do? Create their own "BASS"? Personally I would prefer

to
see the various state Federations all unite and hold back membership
payments until these issues are settled. By uniformly refusing to pay

until
all issues are settled it would place BASS in the position of trying other
ways to deal with its cash flow issues. Right now they are gambling that

if
most of the Federations pay up it will leave the others in the position of
also paying up or being left out.

The only real part of it that bothers me is that they would disqualify
anglers who have already qualified. Not cool. Actually pretty chicken
s**t in my opinion.


--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

I agree Bob. I feel real bad for South Dakotan Jaimie Fralick who is
supposed to have the Federation Live The Dream free pass to fish the

Elites
this year. If this cluster %$^^^ ruins it for him that would be a damn
shame! Joe Z.




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go-bassn wrote:
how did Fralick earn that honor?

Warren


By default, when Ed Cowan turned it down.
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Joe, how did Fralick earn that honor?

Warren

Like Rich said. Here is the article. It is down near the bottom. Joe Z.
http://www.bassfan.com/news_article.asp?id=1468


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Old November 25th, 2005, 05:19 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.bass
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I guess Fralick came in 2nd overall at the Federation Championship? That
would make sense.

Does the term "free" mean that the entry fees are paid or not?

Warren

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go-bassn wrote:
how did Fralick earn that honor?

Warren


By default, when Ed Cowan turned it down.



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Old November 25th, 2005, 05:47 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.bass
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go-bassn wrote:


Does the term "free" mean that the entry fees are paid or not?


__________________________________________________ ___________________


"The Federation is considered the ultimate grassroots bass-fishing
organization, and it has launched the careers of many tour pros. Now,
TBF Inc. will actually pay the entire entry-fee bill for one of its
members in the 2006 Bassmaster Elite Series. That's no small change,
since the Elite Series demands $55,000 in entry fees. Furthermore, Elite
Series anglers are required to run a wrapped boat.

"We've got a new program coming out that we'll be releasing here in just
the next few weeks," Cartlidge said. "It's called Living the Dream. What
we've done – and to be honest, we had it built, then with the new Elite
Series, we had to juggle things – but thanks to the generosity of our
partners at BASS, they made a spot on the (Elite Series) available to a
Federation angler – one of the Classic contenders."

He said TBF Inc. asked Ed Cowan to fill that spot, but due to family
obligations, he had to decline. Instead, South Dakota's Jami Fralick is
the man.

"Fralick agreed to the spot," Cartlidge said. "The Federation will put
him on tour in a wrap boat, and pick up his entry fees. Everybody thinks
they're as good as the tour pros, and we'll put a Federation angler out
there and let him (or her) live the dream.

"We're just now rolling that program out," he added. "We haven't written
a press release on it yet. Pennzoil is coming on as a major sponsor, and
we'll partner with other folks to make that happen. Our ultimate goal,
as this program grows, is hopefully by the second or third year, we'll
have all expenses and entry fees and $50,000 more per year to live on.
We're talking the dream – paying for everything."
__________________________________________________ _____________________

That was then, this is now. Haven't heard anything else about it, but I
suspect the fallout between BASS and TBF has thrown a whole bag of
monkey wrenches into the works.
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Old November 26th, 2005, 12:12 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.bass
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Default BASS vs Federation

What is a wrap boat?
Jim

"RichZ" wrote in message
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go-bassn wrote:


Does the term "free" mean that the entry fees are paid or not?

__________________________________________________ ___________________


"The Federation is considered the ultimate grassroots bass-fishing
organization, and it has launched the careers of many tour pros. Now, TBF
Inc. will actually pay the entire entry-fee bill for one of its members in
the 2006 Bassmaster Elite Series. That's no small change, since the Elite
Series demands $55,000 in entry fees. Furthermore, Elite Series anglers
are required to run a wrapped boat.

"We've got a new program coming out that we'll be releasing here in just
the next few weeks," Cartlidge said. "It's called Living the Dream. What
we've done – and to be honest, we had it built, then with the new Elite
Series, we had to juggle things – but thanks to the generosity of our
partners at BASS, they made a spot on the (Elite Series) available to a
Federation angler – one of the Classic contenders."

He said TBF Inc. asked Ed Cowan to fill that spot, but due to family
obligations, he had to decline. Instead, South Dakota's Jami Fralick is
the man.

"Fralick agreed to the spot," Cartlidge said. "The Federation will put him
on tour in a wrap boat, and pick up his entry fees. Everybody thinks
they're as good as the tour pros, and we'll put a Federation angler out
there and let him (or her) live the dream.

"We're just now rolling that program out," he added. "We haven't written a
press release on it yet. Pennzoil is coming on as a major sponsor, and
we'll partner with other folks to make that happen. Our ultimate goal, as
this program grows, is hopefully by the second or third year, we'll have
all expenses and entry fees and $50,000 more per year to live on. We're
talking the dream – paying for everything."
__________________________________________________ _____________________

That was then, this is now. Haven't heard anything else about it, but I
suspect the fallout between BASS and TBF has thrown a whole bag of monkey
wrenches into the works.



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Old November 26th, 2005, 02:26 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.bass
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OMG, I can't believe Ed turned down that opportunity! I know his feelings
on pro fishing, but paid entry fees? Dam...

warren

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go-bassn wrote:


Does the term "free" mean that the entry fees are paid or not?


__________________________________________________ ___________________


"The Federation is considered the ultimate grassroots bass-fishing
organization, and it has launched the careers of many tour pros. Now,
TBF Inc. will actually pay the entire entry-fee bill for one of its
members in the 2006 Bassmaster Elite Series. That's no small change,
since the Elite Series demands $55,000 in entry fees. Furthermore, Elite
Series anglers are required to run a wrapped boat.

"We've got a new program coming out that we'll be releasing here in just
the next few weeks," Cartlidge said. "It's called Living the Dream. What
we've done – and to be honest, we had it built, then with the new Elite
Series, we had to juggle things – but thanks to the generosity of our
partners at BASS, they made a spot on the (Elite Series) available to a
Federation angler – one of the Classic contenders."

He said TBF Inc. asked Ed Cowan to fill that spot, but due to family
obligations, he had to decline. Instead, South Dakota's Jami Fralick is
the man.

"Fralick agreed to the spot," Cartlidge said. "The Federation will put
him on tour in a wrap boat, and pick up his entry fees. Everybody thinks
they're as good as the tour pros, and we'll put a Federation angler out
there and let him (or her) live the dream.

"We're just now rolling that program out," he added. "We haven't written
a press release on it yet. Pennzoil is coming on as a major sponsor, and
we'll partner with other folks to make that happen. Our ultimate goal,
as this program grows, is hopefully by the second or third year, we'll
have all expenses and entry fees and $50,000 more per year to live on.
We're talking the dream – paying for everything."
__________________________________________________ _____________________

That was then, this is now. Haven't heard anything else about it, but I
suspect the fallout between BASS and TBF has thrown a whole bag of
monkey wrenches into the works.



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Old November 28th, 2005, 03:46 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.bass
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Default BASS vs Federation - A Good Read

Here is a letter from:

Gary B. Bradford
Secretary
THE Bass FEDERATION, INC.
Western Division Representative
President
California B.A.S.S. Chapter Federation, Inc.
21517 Appaloosa Court
Canyon Lake, CA. 92587
951-244-6320

This was posted as "Open Letter to Federation Members on Dues and Recent
Events" over on the Southwest Forums at Westernbass.

Direct Link to Post
http://www.westernbass.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9837

To all just to clear some things up.

The Division Reps\TBF,Inc "telling" the clubs to send their dues money into
the states. Is a falsehood, it was not "our" original request it was BASS's
.. At last years Presidents meeting with BASS at the Federation National
Championship and Classic. BASS stood before the presidents group and THANKED
those states that are collecting all the dues from their clubs and sending
in one check and one roster to BASS. It makes their job easier to deal with,
is a cost savings to BASS, and only one person in each state to deal with
and they requested more states "look into it." Several state across the
nation has done this for years..and many more went home and voted in the
policy...in an EFFORT to support BASS's wishes. As always these meeting are
recorded (by TBF,Inc) and EVERY PRESIDENT is sent a copy of those voice
recordings so there is no mistaking the wishes of BASS here.

Federation dues are supposed to be a payback to the member..you already pay
BASS dues. It was the PRESIDENTS that voted in federation dues to start with
in 1990, before that there were no federation (national) dues. It has been
widely publicized where the money is supposed to go. And in the past, we
have been given an accounting of those dollars..until recently. Of your 15
dollars federation dues, 6 dollars goes to the Divisional Tournament Payout,
6 dollars is supposed to go to insurance, and 3 dollars is supposed to go to
the Federation National Championship, casting kids, etc. (SEE BASS's own Dec
2003 issue of BASSTIMES article by Don Corkran that outlines this and agrees
that BASS owes the states an accounting of that money.)

Here is an excerpt from that column. (please read the whole thing its
available online on BASS website archives or by google. (type in "federation
dues" to google and will come up in the list) , if you still don't have your
printed copy.

In 1990, the state Federation presidents agreed to institute a dues system,
if we could show them where the dues were going, and if they believed that
these were true benefits to the Federation. We did just that, and today we
are much stronger than ever before. ..Don Corkran Dec 2003 BASSTIMES

At that time when we instituted them in 1990 the dues were 12 dollars. (6 to
divisional, 6 to insurance).
In April of 1999, then federation Director Don Corkran, came to the
Presidents and ASKED them to raise dues by 3 dollars. Up to $15.00. The
request was made to help fund and "Make a bigger and better" the Federation
National Championship. The Presidents took that back to their members, voted
on it, constitution and bylaws were changed, and the current 15.00 dues was
voted into place BY THE PRESIDENTS at the 1999 Bassmasters Classic BY the
State Federation Presidents. The "new" 15.00 dues was to start in 2000 and
did.

ESPN bought BASS...and we still have the same Federation National
Championship as we always have with a 50K payout total.

The Presidents and Division Reps have asked the current BASS leadership
multiple times for an accounting of the dues money to no avail. Divisional
Payouts do not match up at 6 dollars per member. The reality is that there
has never been a time in federation history that all federations and clubs
were updated by Dec. 31. Never. Federation numbers in early January are
usually around 10K nationwide and build throughout the year up to 40-45K
each year. Thats another part of the "rub" for many divisions. Since some
divisionals are in Sept. its not as bad an effect on them. (still effects
them though) But think about the West...their divisional is in MAY, so all
the members who join after that in the West, that money never gets paid back
to the Western Divisional. Same with the Central and Southern.
We are not accusing anybody of anything here, maybe there is good reason,
but no accounting has been given, even though numerous requests have been
made.
The Reps, and the Presidents, were blindsided by the increase in dues
mandate presented by BASS on Nov. 1st. There had NEVER been any discussion
of an increase. The Presidents across the nation OVERWELMINGLY instructed
the Divisional Reps, (in writing in many cases) to oppose the increase at
this time under these circumstances. BASS will not or cannot account for the
current dues, so adding even more was not an option for most. Its not just 5
dollars it close to $250,000.00! and its not "Just" about the money. Many
States and many more Clubs have the 15.00 dues outlined in their
Constitution and Bylaws, which cannot just be changed. In fact by BASS's own
"new club packet" sample constitution and bylaws posted to their website. It
outlines a $15 dollar dues and a method of amending those bylaws that could
NOT be accomplished in the time they have allowed. We explained this in
detail to Gary Jones on Nov. 2nd. He said he would "Circle Back to us on
that by the end of the day" .He never did. A few day later we got a email
notice canceling our meeting plans with BASS from Gary Jones. A meeting that
BASS picked the dates for and planned and after had non-refundable air
tickets had been bought by the Reps. The very next official communication
received by BASS was an Open letter to the membership revoking the BASS
membership of the Division Reps., several of them LIFE members of BASS.

What we, The Division Representatives asked for was simply this. Go ahead
and collect the dues as outlined in most Constitution and Bylaws. ($15.00)
Wait until January 7th, (only 7 days after the Dec 31st "deadline") when we
have all the Presidents together at the Federation National Championship,
and lets let the PRESIDENTS decided there, a path forward on this. It would
not be right or fair, and would only cause tension, for some states that do
not have it in their bylaws to pay $20.00 as mandated by BASS, while the
majority paid only $15.00 as per the bylaws that cannot be changed by Dec.
31st.

BASS took exception to this and removed the BASS memberships of the Division
Reps. No discussion. They DID not and have NO authority to remove the
Division Reps or officers of TBF,INC as they did not put them into place.
They were voted into office BY the Presidents and shareholders of The Bass
Federation, Inc. Their positions are also defined by Constitution and
Bylaws. Simply put, we do not work for BASS, we will and have tried to work
with them, but we work for the Presidents and still do today.

As far as The Bass Federation, Inc. (TBF,INC)

The TBF, Inc. was formed to work for the federations. It was formed by the
states and by the State Federation Presidents. Each State Federation owns
one share of stock in the company and the State Federations own and control
it. Simply put we work for you.

We are owned by those we serve, and we are dedicated to the sport of
fishing.
The federation has a long history of working for everybody else. Supporting
events, charities, youth and conservation. And there are some great people
at BASS and other companies, but they work for BASS, (or pick a company).
And while a state federation can speak for only their state, no one state
could speak or work for the good of the whole federation. In todays business
climate, The Presidents felt, that we as a federation were doing our members
an injustice if we did not work to provide them every available opportunity
and protect the integrity of the federation as a business for the next 30+
years.
The first year was spent building, this year alone, TBF,Inc will be
responsible for ;

The TBF provides to each state a Pennzoil - lube package & T-shirts, CASH
youth funding opportunities through the Bass Hunt Game sales, CASH rebates
to the state federations on purchases through the www.bassfederation.com
online store, paid CASH advertising in states newsletters, paid CASH links
on states websites and The Living The Dream program (full sponsorship for
the Federation Champion to fish the BASS/ESPN Elite Series). AND most
importantly TBF is an umbrella company whose single purpose is to work for
you, the state federations. A company owned by, and accountable to, the
state federations. The states have never had anybody working FOR them
before.

We have several new programs already on tap for next year. Each state
chooses which program or none that it wants to participate in. Some are
designed to fund Youth, some conservation, some the state itself.
Our position is simply this, what has always been the federations goal is to
support this industry, its what we are founded on. We have always been a
stand-alone entity, no one has ever owned us. We "play" with everybody. Some
states are sponsored by one company the next state by their competitor. Our
members DEMAND a choice.
Our members are supporting many organizations, WON BASS, Angler Choice,
Skeeter Bass Fan Army; FLW and others. I am sure you have many of these
members in your state federation. ITS ABOUT FISHING!
Many federations support these events when they come to town just like they
support BASS, with anglers, drivers and volunteers. In fact many of the FLW
championships are supported by state federations and their member
volunteers. Why? because its good for the sport and its lucrative for the
state. It does not mean we are "leaving BASS"
For us, The Federation has to come first. Then BASS, FLW, or whoever.
Envision a world were our members had choice through their federation.
Making the federation more prosperous and attractive to the members. Where
youth programs were actually funded! Imagine that!
We absolutely want to keep our relationship with ESPN\BASS. But quite
frankly they thought they BOUGHT the federation when they bought BASS and
were quite surprised to find out that they did not and could not "sell" us
to their sponsors and mandate what we could and could not do. In big
business your on your way up.or out. We have had 4 BASS federation directors
in 4 years and 2 BASS general managers.(plus 2 shakeups in ESPN Outdoors
management) Each one come with his(or her) own set of idea's and leadership.
The federation MUST have stability, you simply cannot change direction of 45
thousand people regularly and expect them to be effective. That's where
TBF,Inc can help BASS and others, by stabilizing the federation and
providing accountability to the states which own it. This is the only way to
help BASS, ourselves and the industry.
..
We do not need to "form a separate nationwide Federation organization"
because the federation has always been separate and always will, that in our
opinion is part of the "rub." Can you imagine someone telling your club or
federation you must do this or that?? You are a business incorporated within
your state with your own board of directors and leadership that have bills
to pay for your federations and programs to fund. The reality is that most
people think BASS puts money into the state federations operations and that
simply does not happen...not one dime. So the states MUST be free to operate
as they see fit, with who they see fit.

Back To the current issue:
BASS has agreed many times, in writing, in print and face to face with the
states, NO mandates to the federation. Yet here we are again with a 5 dollar
dues increase mandated, no discussion. Even though is only 5 dollars, its
really $250,000.00 dollars and it NOT abut the money. The problem arises in
that many states and many clubs have bylaws that outline the dues, many have
already collected them, as BASS REQUESTED the states last year to do. To
collect ALL the dues in the state and send in one check in an effort to
'help" them manage the work load, the states agreed and many more started
this year. Now this.

They cannot go back to their members who have already paid and the states
cannot afford to pay it so they are backed into a corner.

Now nothing about this precludes us from long term continuing with BASS if
they will have us. We have tried everything to communicate, many multiple
meetings, with different people including the ESPN management, an outside
Professional Consultant firm was hired, any president that wanted to come
and all the reps went and meet with BASS\ESPN in this meeting in Atlanta.
Unfortunately, in some at BASS's view the independent consultant (hired by
BASS) tended to agree with the federation. Nothing substantial came from it.
Different ones have spent 4 years of trial and turmoil trying to work this
out with BASS to no avail. We would say we have certainly tried. Yet we
continue because we all have strong ties, and we suspect we will continue
into the future keeping the door open for BASS if they will "play" with us
but they have to play on terms that the federations feel like they can
survive under. We know this all sounds like BASS is the BAD guys here but
not necessarily so, it takes two and the federation must control its own
destiny if it is to survive in today's business. We cannot say "BASS you
cannot tell us what to do ...but will you handle our money for us and run
our events for us? "

Regardless of what may happen in the future, you are assured that the
federation will survive and prosper and so it will youth and conservation
programs. The support this last week has been overwelming and the federation
has more opportunities ahead of it than ever before.

If you have any questions please fell free to contact any member of the
Federation Presidents or Division Reps. and we will do our best to answer
them. Links are provided at www.bassfederation.com

We will leave you with a quote form Ray Scott himself..

From Ray Scotts book.The BASS Boss, Page 174
"We saw each federation as an intermediary between the local chapters and
B.A.S.S. headquarters," Says Dave Newton. Ed. (BASS original employee) "We
envisioned a state convention every year, with all the federations sending
their officers to attend a national convention, maybe in conjunction with
the Classic"
There was great temptation to put bass chapters under the direct control of
B.A.S.S. headquarters. However, Ray was adamant that each federation be
autonomous. "I warned Ray that I could see the potential for rebellion
because he can be didactic, overbearing at times," Dave Says. "Ray you could
say, 'Here's the plan,' and the assemblage could stand up to him and say,
'No Ray, we're going to do this instead.' My question to Ray was, 'Aren't
you afraid you're setting the stage for the federations to take control away
from you?' And Ray Said, 'I don't want people to stay in my organization
because they have to. I want them to follow me because they want to.' If we
lead right they will follow." So it was full speed ahead and Damn the threat
of rebellion."

In Unity,
The Federation Division Representatives and Officer of The Bass Federation,
Inc
_________________
Gary B. Bradford
Secretary
THE Bass FEDERATION, INC.
Western Division Representative
President
California B.A.S.S. Chapter Federation, Inc.
21517 Appaloosa Court
Canyon Lake, CA. 92587
951-244-6320


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Old January 29th, 2006, 06:49 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.bass
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Hello, Is there any new information, seems to me I remember a big meeting in
January, and it's almost over, what happened if anything.

I personally received a letter from BASS, outlining all the wonderful things
they are going to do for the Federation, but I am not buying thier BS.

Please enlighten us if you have any info.

Thank you.

Old Man


 




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