Do You Have Yours Yet?

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:26:44 -0700, rw wrote:

George Cleveland wrote:

Well looking at the big picture is everything not one of a kind, from the cosmos
to the person, to the cells in the body of that person, to the molecules in the
same person, to those molecules constituent atoms, to the quarks and other sub
atomic particles that reside in that atom?

No. It's a peculiarity of quantum mechanics that every "elementary"
particle (of some particular class) is completely indistinguishable from
every other one. If you replace an electron in an atom, say, with
another electron, there is absolutely no way to tell the difference.

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g.c.

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:26:44 -0700, rw
wrote:

No. It's a peculiarity of quantum mechanics that every "elementary"
particle (of some particular class) is completely indistinguishable from
every other one. If you replace an electron in an atom, say, with
another electron, there is absolutely no way to tell the difference.

They would have different wave functions, though. The particles would
also have to have the same state to be 'indistinguishable'.
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Charlie...

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:58:28 -0700, rw
wrote:

Charlie Choc wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:26:44 -0700, rw
wrote:


No. It's a peculiarity of quantum mechanics that every "elementary"
particle (of some particular class) is completely indistinguishable from
every other one. If you replace an electron in an atom, say, with
another electron, there is absolutely no way to tell the difference.


They would have different wave functions, though. The particles would
also have to have the same state to be 'indistinguishable'.

I knew you'd start nitpicking, Charlie. :-) I didn't really want to
write a treatise of quantum dynamics.

I'm sure you didn't. g
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Charlie...

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:40:23 GMT, (George
Cleveland) wrote:

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g.c.

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"Charlie Choc" wrote

I knew you'd start nitpicking, Charlie. :-) I didn't really want to
write a treatise of quantum dynamics.

I'm sure you didn't. g
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Charlie...

hilarious. and a masterpiece of understatement.

yfitons
wayno

George Cleveland wrote:

Well looking at the big picture is everything not one of a kind, from the cosmos
to the person, to the cells in the body of that person, to the molecules in the
same person, to those molecules constituent atoms, to the quarks and other sub
atomic particles that reside in that atom?

No. It's a peculiarity of quantum mechanics that every "elementary"
particle (of some particular class) is completely indistinguishable from
every other one. If you replace an electron in an atom, say, with
another electron, there is absolutely no way to tell the difference.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Charlie Choc wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:26:44 -0700, rw
wrote:


No. It's a peculiarity of quantum mechanics that every "elementary"
particle (of some particular class) is completely indistinguishable from
every other one. If you replace an electron in an atom, say, with
another electron, there is absolutely no way to tell the difference.


They would have different wave functions, though. The particles would
also have to have the same state to be 'indistinguishable'.

I knew you'd start nitpicking, Charlie. :-) I didn't really want to
write a treatise of quantum dynamics.

The point is that it makes no physical sense to assign individual
identities to electrons and protons and so on, in the same way that you
might name, say, dogs.

In other words, an electron isn't "one of a kind." Electrons are "all of
a kind."

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"rw" wrote in message
. ..
Wayne Harrison wrote:

hilarious. and a masterpiece of understatement.

You wouldn't know a wave function if it shot right up your ass and came
out your nose. :-)


and, according to le duc du chocolat, neither would you. and i never
claimed to have such knowledge. and will never give a **** about having
same. smiley.\\


wayno

"rw" wrote...
Wayne Harrison wrote:

hilarious. and a masterpiece of understatement.

You wouldn't know a wave function if it shot right up your ass and came
out your nose. :-)

DUDE! I was, like, doing the surf one time and, like, actually had a *gnarly*
wave shoot right up my ass and out my nose right as I sliced and diced. It was,
like, a TOTALLY COSMIC experience, dude.

Gotta run, dude. 'Spose to glass off at 5 with the off-shore blow. Later.
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Tim
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Wayne Harrison wrote:

hilarious. and a masterpiece of understatement.

You wouldn't know a wave function if it shot right up your ass and came
out your nose. :-)

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.