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Wow, it seems like our 630 registered members would think differently
than you. But that doesn't surprise me, small minds tend to try to
whine alot like yourself.

Cyliwrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:22:23 -0500,
lid (yellowchaser)
wrote:


Myself I have no problem with advertising as everyone wants to call
it, when it is showing someone a resource that costs them nothing
to
use and pertain to the subject that the reader is researching on,
as
in fishing.

Yes, we noticed that. And you weren't snarled at the first couple of
times you did it. It was the damn repetition and this sort of
nit-picking whining that finally got me to putting my own snarl in.

You and mechanic mike over in the camping groups. Geeze. The only
difference was that he's small time commercial.

So you made your own private sandbox and you're proud of it. Fine.
So far it as that it was a good thing. A couple of times giving a
notice of it was okay. But you had to keep pounding on it. "Oh,
don't play in that dirty public place, kids, come to _my_ sandbox and
play. I'll give you free stuff if you come play in my place." And
then again and again. And when someone who's happy in the public
sandbox asked you to just go play in your own and stop nagging at
him,
this started.

And your original stated objection was, I believe, to this newsgroup
being useless because of porn and advertising? Well, you've got your
very own clean place. Will you please play in it and leave us to
play
in ours? A once a month announcement should be more than sufficient
for you to gather an initial group and get them going and
occasionally
add a member. If it's not, maybe your sandbox isn't as much fun to
play in for them as this dirty old place? Maybe your free stuff is
hard to find or hard to use or just not good enough?

If Rodney is still here maybe he can tell you what effect relentless
advertising has on us. He calmed down a lot after a while and
stopped
putting in all his plugs for his lures. When last I noticed him, he
was trying to be helpful and not interjecting his wonderful stuff
without cause more often than whenever he made a new project.

Has if occurred to you that if you make general information posts
here
and if you answer any questions in a helpful way, that people will
eventually notice your sig file and go to your Web place and try it?
But if all they see here are your repetitive advertising and
complaints about your repetitive advertising and your pathetic
self-justifications that they might be just a bit leery of having
anything to do with you? No? Thought not.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to
email)[/quote:aaf1089c49]
Over 7,000+ Reel, Engine and Trolling Motor Schematics www.hookandsinker.com

Cyli wrote:


If Rodney is still here maybe he can tell you what effect relentless
advertising has on us. He calmed down a lot after a while and stopped
putting in all his plugs for his lures. When last I noticed him, he
was trying to be helpful and not interjecting his wonderful stuff
without cause more often than whenever he made a new project.

Oh I'm still here, and news groups don't really want news (new things on
the market, in the subject of the group, they fear they must buy
something) they would rather read about it in a rag, months latter, when
everyone then knows about it. it does not give them any early edge in
fishing.

The problem is, I can't even give a fishing report on these groups,,
because I was using my latest and greatest terminal tackle, they then
claim all I'm doing is spamming. Well all I use is my tackle, so I can't
tell them how to increase their catches.


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Newbies is right.

Well, at least she isn't complaining about us top-posting yet.

Cyli, again, back to Charters. You are wrong wrong wrong. Ads have nothing
to do with what your version of netiquette is.

Charters that tackle advertisements have a multitude of options:

1) First-party ads allowed
2) Third-party ads allowed
3) Ads allowed in sig
4) Sig only 4 lines or less
5) Banners in sig line

I've been in so many groups, I've seen all those. Just because you and the
other guy think sig ads are ok doesn't make it so. And it doesn't make them
NOT ads, either.

What does THIS group's charter say?

Bet it says you aren't supposed to have OT threads like this one....

John


"yellowchaser" wrote in
message ...
HaHa I love messages from newbies like yourself that think that know
all about the world. I was using the internet when your parents were
still cleaning your diapers. As you can see since it is a free world
still, since you are not in charge, I can and will post in any dirty
old sandbox that I like if that is what it takes to let the genuine
people know, including your little sandbox babe.

And our security is alot better than you think babe. It keeps newbies
like yourself from messing things up for everyone else haha.

But it was nice hearing from you Oh and P.s. thanks for keeping the
topic hot by responding. The smart thing would have been to have let
it die out, but then again I can tell by your mentality that you
don't think that way.

Cyliwrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:22:23 -0500,
lid (yellowchaser)
wrote:

And how is you sig pointing to your site displaying your artwork
any
different, what does artwork have to do with the fishing newsgroup
anyway? Can't we stay on the subject of the newsgroup or should
everyone just be trying to push their Viagra wares in their sigs
too.




Did you even read what I wrote, newbbie? Sig files can say anything.
Yes, even have Viagra ads (though most who advertise that sort of
thing are not the least interested in posting anything but their
SPAM). As long as they're less than 4 lines total. How many months
have your been using the 'Net? If it's more than 4, you should have
learned about "Nettiquette" by now.

My art has nothing to do with any of the newsgroups I post in. I
know
that. That's why I DON'T ADVERTISE IT IN THE BODY OF MY POSTS, even
if I were to post in an art group. Though it's more free than your
Web site, as I don't require that anyone register to look at it,
meaning I can't get their email addresses and any other information
about them and I have no chance of 'moderating' any of their opinions
about it. Which also means that nobody who can hack my site will get
any advantage out of it other than the possibility of destroying my
page. What can they get out of your Web site?

Cyliwrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:51:52 GMT, "Tex John"

wrote:

(snipped)

You know, you have yet to link to the NG's charter saying his free
adverts
are worse than your free adverts.

Well, since the 'Net, in general, historically accepts advertising
of
4 lines or less in sig files and in general, historically does not
accept advertising in the body of posts, particularly if it's all
the
post is about, that's where this all started. So that's the
difference.



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to
email)[/quote:87f7724d13]
Over 7,000+ Reel, Engine and Trolling Motor Schematics
www.hookandsinker.com

Yeah, on our local (well, as local as you can be and still cover all of
Texas) fishing forum, 90% of the sal****er reports are from "captains"
complete with links to their websites.

They are out there every day with up to 3 different boats and guides going.
I may not like thier bait selection, but at least I know what's biting!

Without them, we'd have almost no reports at all much less reports that
cover such a large number of acres and hours fished.

Too bad these kids are running off us old-timers. I just almost can't stand
posting in a programming newsgroup...talk about the kids running you off,
broom in hand and the whole lot!

Have a good one, Rodney,

John


"Rodney" wrote in message
...
Cyli wrote:


If Rodney is still here maybe he can tell you what effect relentless
advertising has on us. He calmed down a lot after a while and stopped
putting in all his plugs for his lures. When last I noticed him, he
was trying to be helpful and not interjecting his wonderful stuff
without cause more often than whenever he made a new project.

Oh I'm still here, and news groups don't really want news (new things on
the market, in the subject of the group, they fear they must buy
something) they would rather read about it in a rag, months latter, when
everyone then knows about it. it does not give them any early edge in
fishing.

The problem is, I can't even give a fishing report on these groups,,
because I was using my latest and greatest terminal tackle, they then
claim all I'm doing is spamming. Well all I use is my tackle, so I can't
tell them how to increase their catches.


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

I agree with you Rodney, it is a shame that if you do find a better
way of doing things or a way of increasing your catches that you
can't even tell others about it without being accused of spamming or
just trying to sell something. In my case Hook & Sinker has been
around since 1998 and we still don't charge for anything on the site,
so how if you give all your services away to help others is that
construde as spamming. Personally I thought that was what the
newsgroups were about, communicating good resources, great tackle or
anything else that is helpful.

Here's a sample report that I guess is expected to be posted: If you
want to catch more fish at Lake Whatever, stop by *sorry can't name
the store* and pick up some *sorry can't name the bait*, if you want
to see some of the photos and read the full fishing report, go to
*sorry can't post the url*.. now doesn't that make for a helpful
post.

Rodneywrote:
Cyli wrote:


If Rodney is still here maybe he can tell you what effect
relentless
advertising has on us. He calmed down a lot after a while and
stopped
putting in all his plugs for his lures. When last I noticed him,
he
was trying to be helpful and not interjecting his wonderful stuff
without cause more often than whenever he made a new project.

Oh I'm still here, and news groups don't really want news (new things
on
the market, in the subject of the group, they fear they must buy
something) they would rather read about it in a rag, months latter,
when
everyone then knows about it. it does not give them any early edge in

fishing.

The problem is, I can't even give a fishing report on these groups,,
because I was using my latest and greatest terminal tackle, they then

claim all I'm doing is spamming. Well all I use is my tackle, so I
can't
tell them how to increase their catches.


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com[/quote:17f6b4c4ae]
Over 7,000+ Reel, Engine and Trolling Motor Schematics www.hookandsinker.com

And Rodney you are more than welcome to post your products in our
classifieds section at http://www.hookandsinker.com/classifieds.html,
if you need anything or have any questions you let me know, thanks
dude.


Rodneywrote:
Cyli wrote:


If Rodney is still here maybe he can tell you what effect
relentless
advertising has on us. He calmed down a lot after a while and
stopped
putting in all his plugs for his lures. When last I noticed him,
he
was trying to be helpful and not interjecting his wonderful stuff
without cause more often than whenever he made a new project.

Oh I'm still here, and news groups don't really want news (new things
on
the market, in the subject of the group, they fear they must buy
something) they would rather read about it in a rag, months latter,
when
everyone then knows about it. it does not give them any early edge in

fishing.

The problem is, I can't even give a fishing report on these groups,,
because I was using my latest and greatest terminal tackle, they then

claim all I'm doing is spamming. Well all I use is my tackle, so I
can't
tell them how to increase their catches.


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com[/quote:add3a94a5d]
Over 7,000+ Reel, Engine and Trolling Motor Schematics www.hookandsinker.com

yellowchaser wrote:
I agree with you Rodney, it is a shame that if you do find a better
way of doing things or a way of increasing your catches that you
can't even tell others about it without being accused of spamming or
just trying to sell something. In my case Hook & Sinker has been
around since 1998 and we still don't charge for anything on the site,
so how if you give all your services away to help others is that
construde as spamming. Personally I thought that was what the
newsgroups were about, communicating good resources, great tackle or
anything else that is helpful.

Hay man I loved your site,, but I can't find the dang SST map link
How about sending it to me :-)

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

yellowchaser wrote:
And Rodney you are more than welcome to post your products in our
classifieds section at http://www.hookandsinker.com/classifieds.html,
if you need anything or have any questions you let me know, thanks
dude.

Actually I don't have any products,, I'm just the inventor of other
companies products, (well I do have some bungee material left, but not
for long) but since I get a roylity, they say I'm spamming, they don't
understand Millions of people know of my products, it's not worth my
time to post them on News groups to make a nickel. What a couple hundred
fishermen read these groups, the one advice column in Bassmasters got
2.5 million fishermen just last month.

I do 2 to 8 interviews with outdoor writers every week, that have
millions of readers.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Hay man I loved your site,, but I can't find the dang SST map link
How about sending it to me :-)


Right on the left menu...he's even got it in red now!

And our Bay finally broke 70 according to that map...

hth
John

You can find it on the left menu "Sea Surface Temperature Maps" or
here is the direct link http://www.hookandsinker.com/sst.html


Rodneywrote:
yellowchaser wrote:
I agree with you Rodney, it is a shame that if you do find a better
way of doing things or a way of increasing your catches that you
can't even tell others about it without being accused of spamming
or
just trying to sell something. In my case Hook & Sinker has
been
around since 1998 and we still don't charge for anything on the
site,
so how if you give all your services away to help others is that
construde as spamming. Personally I thought that was what the
newsgroups were about, communicating good resources, great tackle
or
anything else that is helpful.

Hay man I loved your site,, but I can't find the dang SST map link
How about sending it to me :-)

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com[/quote:750b9bb5f7]
Over 7,000+ Reel, Engine and Trolling Motor Schematics www.hookandsinker.com