Rod to buy

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:21:47 GMT, "Lennie Richardson"
wrote:

"Skeeter" wrote in message
. com...
I am just starting out with the flyfishing bit and I am trying to get
a feel for the best rod, for me, to buy. My brother guides quite a
bit and he swears up and down by the Scott rod. What is everyone
elses take.
Skeeter

you need a 16' 14 wt. spey rod.

two handed fishing for a real man...


FRAUD!!!

Real men fish with a Bruce & Walker, 18' -- 11/12 wt.

Me? I have to settle for the short **** (under 14').

For Skeeter

1) Ignore the rest of the loonies here, I'm the only loonie worth
talking too.

2) Buy one of Uncle Walt's kits at www.ezflyfisher.com

or 3} Buy a BassPro White River Classic

or 4) Buy St. Croix Avid

or 5) Buy a Temple Fork Outfitters rod

or 6) Buy a cheap Redington

or (7) an Orvis Clearwater

Screw the high priced ****



Peter

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Hi Skeeter,

There are way to many choices today.

Thirty years ago most would have just bought a fiberglass Fenwick fly rod
which was the most popular fly rod in the US at that time. They producing
close to 500,000 fishing rods just before the original owner, Don Green,
sold to Berkeley Company. Don Green then started Sage Rod Company so he
could get out of those old discount stores and produce a very high quality
fly rod and sell it in fly shops. Today Sage Rod Company sells more premium
fly rods than anyone else.

Other premium brands are Scott, Winston, T&T, Orvis and G.Loomis. Most of
their fly rods are still made in the US. Orvis does now have some of their
very low end rods made overseas. They have a very nice entry level rod this
year that is 9' #5, 4pc for $98US.

The latest changes in fly rods in the US are the imported rods like Temple
Fork Outfitters and Redington. These are great values in the $300US and
under range. Today in the US we actually have imported fly rods that are
under $100 that "smoke" anything that was available 20 years ago. The net
effect for my fly shop is that we are now selling fly rods and rod, reel,
line combinations to customers that would have normally mail ordered them
from Cabelas.

After someone has fly cast/fly fished for a while, they will gravitate to a
type of action that fits their casting style. Some like rods that are ultra
fast/ultra stiff. Some enjoy the very soft/very slow action rods that feel
more like the old split cane or fiberglass rods. Most are happy to have a
medium action rod which is in between and will fit most situations. Unless a
person knows your casting style/rod action preference well, they can't just
tell you that a particular brand and model will be right for you.

We carry more (300-400) fly rods than 90% of the fly shops you go into
mostly because we are in a very large city that can support this inventory.
Unless a customer has never cast a fly rod, we try to get them to pick 2 or
3 rods out in the size, action and price point that he or she is interested
in and cast them outside in our parking lot. The only thing better than that
is to somehow be able to take some fly rods out to the fisheries you will
fishing and try them right on the stream/lake with the exact lines, leaders
and flies. This is pretty impossible except for lottery winners.

The most popular length rod sold in the US today is 9' long. The most
popular line size is #5. The most popular number of pieces is 4. I am not
telling you that you should buy a 9' #5, 4 piece rod. I am just telling you
that it is probably 50% of the market in most fly shops in the US.

Today you can get a very nice fly rod to get started for $100 or less but
why would you want to do that if you could afford a quality fly rod for $500
or more?

Did I say that? When customers come in the shop, we try to explain the
differences in fly rods from length (5' to 16'), line size (#0 to #16),
number of piece (1 to 7), action, material (generations of graphite and
fiberglass) and construction. Roughly there is the low end (~$100) that is
OK if you need to be there. The mid-range ($200-400) which is the best
dollar value. And then the high end ($500-$700) which are the best you can
buy and if you can afford them, you should buy them unless you don't think
you are deserving enough? Actually, the customers that buy the high end
usually tell us that is where they want to be shopping. You don't sell
customers $700 fly rods that are just starting out unless they decide that
is what they want.

My first car was an old 1956 Dodge that my grandmother gave me when I was 18
years old. My good friend who's dad was a judge got a new 427 Corvette for
his 16th birthday. It's not fair.

-
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"Skeeter" wrote in message
om...

I am just starting out with the flyfishing bit and I am trying to get
a feel for the best rod, for me, to buy. My brother guides quite a
bit and he swears up and down by the Scott rod. What is everyone
elses take.
Skeeter

Bill,

Why weren't you around when I started fly-fishing????????

Richard



"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
. com...
Hi Skeeter,

There are way to many choices today.

Thirty years ago most would have just bought a fiberglass Fenwick fly rod
which was the most popular fly rod in the US at that time. They producing
close to 500,000 fishing rods just before the original owner, Don Green,
sold to Berkeley Company. Don Green then started Sage Rod Company so he
could get out of those old discount stores and produce a very high quality
fly rod and sell it in fly shops. Today Sage Rod Company sells more
premium
fly rods than anyone else.

Other premium brands are Scott, Winston, T&T, Orvis and G.Loomis. Most of
their fly rods are still made in the US. Orvis does now have some of their
very low end rods made overseas. They have a very nice entry level rod
this
year that is 9' #5, 4pc for $98US.

The latest changes in fly rods in the US are the imported rods like Temple
Fork Outfitters and Redington. These are great values in the $300US and
under range. Today in the US we actually have imported fly rods that are
under $100 that "smoke" anything that was available 20 years ago. The net
effect for my fly shop is that we are now selling fly rods and rod, reel,
line combinations to customers that would have normally mail ordered them
from Cabelas.

After someone has fly cast/fly fished for a while, they will gravitate to
a
type of action that fits their casting style. Some like rods that are
ultra
fast/ultra stiff. Some enjoy the very soft/very slow action rods that feel
more like the old split cane or fiberglass rods. Most are happy to have a
medium action rod which is in between and will fit most situations. Unless
a
person knows your casting style/rod action preference well, they can't
just
tell you that a particular brand and model will be right for you.

We carry more (300-400) fly rods than 90% of the fly shops you go into
mostly because we are in a very large city that can support this
inventory.
Unless a customer has never cast a fly rod, we try to get them to pick 2
or
3 rods out in the size, action and price point that he or she is
interested
in and cast them outside in our parking lot. The only thing better than
that
is to somehow be able to take some fly rods out to the fisheries you will
fishing and try them right on the stream/lake with the exact lines,
leaders
and flies. This is pretty impossible except for lottery winners.

The most popular length rod sold in the US today is 9' long. The most
popular line size is #5. The most popular number of pieces is 4. I am not
telling you that you should buy a 9' #5, 4 piece rod. I am just telling
you
that it is probably 50% of the market in most fly shops in the US.

Today you can get a very nice fly rod to get started for $100 or less but
why would you want to do that if you could afford a quality fly rod for
$500
or more?

Did I say that? When customers come in the shop, we try to explain the
differences in fly rods from length (5' to 16'), line size (#0 to #16),
number of piece (1 to 7), action, material (generations of graphite and
fiberglass) and construction. Roughly there is the low end (~$100) that is
OK if you need to be there. The mid-range ($200-400) which is the best
dollar value. And then the high end ($500-$700) which are the best you can
buy and if you can afford them, you should buy them unless you don't think
you are deserving enough? Actually, the customers that buy the high end
usually tell us that is where they want to be shopping. You don't sell
customers $700 fly rods that are just starting out unless they decide that
is what they want.

My first car was an old 1956 Dodge that my grandmother gave me when I was
18
years old. My good friend who's dad was a judge got a new 427 Corvette for

his 16th birthday. It's not fair.

-
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"Skeeter" wrote in message
om...

I am just starting out with the flyfishing bit and I am trying to get
a feel for the best rod, for me, to buy. My brother guides quite a
bit and he swears up and down by the Scott rod. What is everyone
elses take.
Skeeter

"I love you, man."

--
Bill Kiene or "Boca Grande" in these parts......

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"R. D. L." wrote in message
m...
Bill,

Why weren't you around when I started fly-fishing????????

Richard



"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
. com...
Hi Skeeter,

There are way to many choices today.

Thirty years ago most would have just bought a fiberglass Fenwick fly
rod
which was the most popular fly rod in the US at that time. They
producing
close to 500,000 fishing rods just before the original owner, Don Green,
sold to Berkeley Company. Don Green then started Sage Rod Company so he
could get out of those old discount stores and produce a very high
quality
fly rod and sell it in fly shops. Today Sage Rod Company sells more
premium
fly rods than anyone else.

Other premium brands are Scott, Winston, T&T, Orvis and G.Loomis. Most
of
their fly rods are still made in the US. Orvis does now have some of
their
very low end rods made overseas. They have a very nice entry level rod
this
year that is 9' #5, 4pc for $98US.

The latest changes in fly rods in the US are the imported rods like
Temple
Fork Outfitters and Redington. These are great values in the $300US and
under range. Today in the US we actually have imported fly rods that are
under $100 that "smoke" anything that was available 20 years ago. The
net
effect for my fly shop is that we are now selling fly rods and rod,
reel,
line combinations to customers that would have normally mail ordered
them
from Cabelas.

After someone has fly cast/fly fished for a while, they will gravitate
to
a
type of action that fits their casting style. Some like rods that are
ultra
fast/ultra stiff. Some enjoy the very soft/very slow action rods that
feel
more like the old split cane or fiberglass rods. Most are happy to have
a
medium action rod which is in between and will fit most situations.
Unless
a
person knows your casting style/rod action preference well, they can't
just
tell you that a particular brand and model will be right for you.

We carry more (300-400) fly rods than 90% of the fly shops you go into
mostly because we are in a very large city that can support this
inventory.
Unless a customer has never cast a fly rod, we try to get them to pick 2
or
3 rods out in the size, action and price point that he or she is
interested
in and cast them outside in our parking lot. The only thing better than
that
is to somehow be able to take some fly rods out to the fisheries you
will
fishing and try them right on the stream/lake with the exact lines,
leaders
and flies. This is pretty impossible except for lottery winners.

The most popular length rod sold in the US today is 9' long. The most
popular line size is #5. The most popular number of pieces is 4. I am
not
telling you that you should buy a 9' #5, 4 piece rod. I am just telling
you
that it is probably 50% of the market in most fly shops in the US.

Today you can get a very nice fly rod to get started for $100 or less
but
why would you want to do that if you could afford a quality fly rod for
$500
or more?

Did I say that? When customers come in the shop, we try to explain the
differences in fly rods from length (5' to 16'), line size (#0 to #16),
number of piece (1 to 7), action, material (generations of graphite and
fiberglass) and construction. Roughly there is the low end (~$100) that
is
OK if you need to be there. The mid-range ($200-400) which is the best
dollar value. And then the high end ($500-$700) which are the best you
can
buy and if you can afford them, you should buy them unless you don't
think
you are deserving enough? Actually, the customers that buy the high end
usually tell us that is where they want to be shopping. You don't sell
customers $700 fly rods that are just starting out unless they decide
that
is what they want.

My first car was an old 1956 Dodge that my grandmother gave me when I
was
18
years old. My good friend who's dad was a judge got a new 427 Corvette
for

his 16th birthday. It's not fair.

-
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"Skeeter" wrote in message
om...

I am just starting out with the flyfishing bit and I am trying to get
a feel for the best rod, for me, to buy. My brother guides quite a
bit and he swears up and down by the Scott rod. What is everyone
elses take.
Skeeter

"Peter Charles" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:21:47 GMT, "Lennie Richardson"
wrote:

"Skeeter" wrote in message
. com...
I am just starting out with the flyfishing bit and I am trying to get
a feel for the best rod, for me, to buy. My brother guides quite a
bit and he swears up and down by the Scott rod. What is everyone
elses take.
Skeeter

you need a 16' 14 wt. spey rod.

two handed fishing for a real man...


FRAUD!!!

damn. sussed out again...

nice advice snipped

Screw the high priced ****

I'm done cutting up, Skeeter. Decide what type of fishing you'll be doing
(freshwater, panfish, bass, trout, large stream small stream, sal****er,
inshore, offshore...) and then buy an outfit that fits the type of water and
species you're starting out with.

The only other advice I can give you is that life's too short to use a rod
you can't cast well. Keep trying until you get one that YOU like.

LR

onnest

Bill WAS around when you started fly fishing. He just wasn't around you!


"R. D. L." wrote in message
m...
Bill,

Why weren't you around when I started fly-fishing????????

Richard



"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
. com...
Hi Skeeter,

There are way to many choices today.

Thirty years ago most would have just bought a fiberglass Fenwick fly
rod
which was the most popular fly rod in the US at that time. They
producing
close to 500,000 fishing rods just before the original owner, Don Green,
sold to Berkeley Company. Don Green then started Sage Rod Company so he
could get out of those old discount stores and produce a very high
quality
fly rod and sell it in fly shops. Today Sage Rod Company sells more
premium
fly rods than anyone else.

Other premium brands are Scott, Winston, T&T, Orvis and G.Loomis. Most
of
their fly rods are still made in the US. Orvis does now have some of
their
very low end rods made overseas. They have a very nice entry level rod
this
year that is 9' #5, 4pc for $98US.

The latest changes in fly rods in the US are the imported rods like
Temple
Fork Outfitters and Redington. These are great values in the $300US and
under range. Today in the US we actually have imported fly rods that are
under $100 that "smoke" anything that was available 20 years ago. The
net
effect for my fly shop is that we are now selling fly rods and rod,
reel,
line combinations to customers that would have normally mail ordered
them
from Cabelas.

After someone has fly cast/fly fished for a while, they will gravitate
to
a
type of action that fits their casting style. Some like rods that are
ultra
fast/ultra stiff. Some enjoy the very soft/very slow action rods that
feel
more like the old split cane or fiberglass rods. Most are happy to have
a
medium action rod which is in between and will fit most situations.
Unless
a
person knows your casting style/rod action preference well, they can't
just
tell you that a particular brand and model will be right for you.

We carry more (300-400) fly rods than 90% of the fly shops you go into
mostly because we are in a very large city that can support this
inventory.
Unless a customer has never cast a fly rod, we try to get them to pick 2
or
3 rods out in the size, action and price point that he or she is
interested
in and cast them outside in our parking lot. The only thing better than
that
is to somehow be able to take some fly rods out to the fisheries you
will
fishing and try them right on the stream/lake with the exact lines,
leaders
and flies. This is pretty impossible except for lottery winners.

The most popular length rod sold in the US today is 9' long. The most
popular line size is #5. The most popular number of pieces is 4. I am
not
telling you that you should buy a 9' #5, 4 piece rod. I am just telling
you
that it is probably 50% of the market in most fly shops in the US.

Today you can get a very nice fly rod to get started for $100 or less
but
why would you want to do that if you could afford a quality fly rod for
$500
or more?

Did I say that? When customers come in the shop, we try to explain the
differences in fly rods from length (5' to 16'), line size (#0 to #16),
number of piece (1 to 7), action, material (generations of graphite and
fiberglass) and construction. Roughly there is the low end (~$100) that
is
OK if you need to be there. The mid-range ($200-400) which is the best
dollar value. And then the high end ($500-$700) which are the best you
can
buy and if you can afford them, you should buy them unless you don't
think
you are deserving enough? Actually, the customers that buy the high end
usually tell us that is where they want to be shopping. You don't sell
customers $700 fly rods that are just starting out unless they decide
that
is what they want.

My first car was an old 1956 Dodge that my grandmother gave me when I
was
18
years old. My good friend who's dad was a judge got a new 427 Corvette
for

his 16th birthday. It's not fair.

-
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"Skeeter" wrote in message
om...

I am just starting out with the flyfishing bit and I am trying to get
a feel for the best rod, for me, to buy. My brother guides quite a
bit and he swears up and down by the Scott rod. What is everyone
elses take.
Skeeter






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"Skeeter" wrote in message
. com...
I am just starting out with the flyfishing bit and I am trying to get
a feel for the best rod, for me, to buy. My brother guides quite a
bit and he swears up and down by the Scott rod. What is everyone
elses take.
Skeeter

What kind of fishing are you doing? Your best bed is try to cast the
rods yourself plus tell the shop what you are fishing for, for instance
you will want a different rod for catching 10 inch native trout than
catching 40 pound salmon.

At about $80 the temple fork outfitters 6 weight would be a good generic
rod, imho.

In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:

Today you can get a very nice fly rod to get started for $100 or less
but
why would you want to do that if you could afford a quality fly rod for
$500
or more?


Is their really that much of a difference between a TFO and a $500 rod?

Hi Steve,

That is a good question.

Actually it is hard to see the difference just like in rifle scopes today.
The import scopes that won't shoot in the same place twice and will fog up
in conditions normal to Elk hunting look about the same to most as the high
end scopes that are built to last and 5 times as much money.

Most all the premium US fly rods are made one at a time, by hand, by
American citizens. They have very controlled environments, use the best
materials, don't let anything by that is not perfect and R&D these rods with
some of the best casters in the world. After all that said are they a
bargain or are they as good a dollar value as some of the import rods. Who
knows......but they are better made with better materials with more care.

In America we have low end, mid-range and high end. The low end today will
work fair and will hold up for a while. The mid-range is probably the best
value for the buck. The high end is better but you have to pay lots more to
get a little more so it might not be worth it for everyone. This is true in
cars, cameras, motorcycles, boats, airplanes etc.

The reality to coming into a fly shop with $700 in your wallet for a fly rod
is the fact that you can now cast anything on the rack and pick the one you
feel cast the best for you.

I think that entry level rods are great for people that are not sure they
will like fly fishing or even be able to do it well or people that are on a
budget or people who's big challenge in life is to see how cheaply they can
get by. Now what the hell are they going to do with all the money they did
not spend? First off, I hope they never win the lottery because they will
have nothing to spend that money on.

Think about it. Pretty funny..............

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"steve" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:

Today you can get a very nice fly rod to get started for $100 or
less
but
why would you want to do that if you could afford a quality fly rod
for
$500
or more?


Is their really that much of a difference between a TFO and a $500 rod?

Thanks for the honest tip. I went ahead and bought a Loomis GLX. It
feels ok at the moment. I haven't been able to get to much fishing in
because of school. Thanks again.
Skeeter
"Lennie Richardson" wrote in message .com...
"Peter Charles" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:21:47 GMT, "Lennie Richardson"
wrote:

"Skeeter" wrote in message
. com...
I am just starting out with the flyfishing bit and I am trying to get
a feel for the best rod, for me, to buy. My brother guides quite a
bit and he swears up and down by the Scott rod. What is everyone
elses take.
Skeeter

you need a 16' 14 wt. spey rod.

two handed fishing for a real man...


FRAUD!!!

damn. sussed out again...

nice advice snipped

Screw the high priced ****

I'm done cutting up, Skeeter. Decide what type of fishing you'll be doing
(freshwater, panfish, bass, trout, large stream small stream, sal****er,
inshore, offshore...) and then buy an outfit that fits the type of water and
species you're starting out with.

The only other advice I can give you is that life's too short to use a rod
you can't cast well. Keep trying until you get one that YOU like.

LR

onnest