equipment for newbie

i have never been fishing before but would like to start... however the vast
array of equipment is confusing m

Can you please give me any advice on what equipment somebody new should be
looking for (rod - ha ha very funny)... i could do with a starting poing...
which make, rough cost etc.....I have read i will need:

Rod Carbon 12-13 ft.
Reel.
Catch Net
bait
floats
hooks
line
and a licence

My 11 year old step-son also wants to go ... so i will be looking for
equipment for him as well... Do Children need anything else or can they use
standard equipment...

I am looking at the cheaper end of the market!!... is there a good 2nd hand
supplier anywhere in Manchester??

Also any tips on where in and around Manchester is a good place to go
fishing.. so i can gain some experience before we go away camping and
fishing

Thanks

G.

I got a lot of my stuff at Cash Converter. (don't know if theres one near
you)
be careful that what you buy meets your needs though - if possible take
along someone who has an idea.
(on the plus side if you don't like fishing in the end you can always sell
it back there)
Don't be fooled into thinking that you need to spend loads of cash.


E-bay can also be a useful source - but again be careful 'cos theres some
5hite for sale ont here too. (www.ebay.co.uk)

SS

In article , Dr Axe
wrote:
i have never been fishing before but would like to start... however the vast
array of equipment is confusing m

Can you please give me any advice on what equipment somebody new should be
looking for (rod - ha ha very funny)... i could do with a starting poing...

The array of equipment is meant to confuse you - 99% is designed to catch
anglers - not fish. (The manufacturers make their money out of selling
loads of gear to the people who are not catching much and think that a new
or different gadget will make the difference.)

So: in asking the question you are making a good start ... but:

Any advice you get here is worh exactly what you paid for it ;-)

which make, rough cost etc.....I have read i will need:

Rod Carbon 12-13 ft.
Reel.
Catch Net
bait
floats
hooks
line
and a licence

OK, that *might* be suitable and I could catch fish with such a setup but
we're starting from the wrong end.

My 11 year old step-son also wants to go ... so i will be looking for
equipment for him as well... Do Children need anything else or can they use
standard equipment...

If he's 11 he will not yet be strong enough to handle some of the longer
rods all day. In fact his attention span is likely to be good for about
half a day at first, maybe less. If both of you are learning you are not
likely to do very well and so risk boring him.

I am looking at the cheaper end of the market!!... is there a good 2nd hand
supplier anywhere in Manchester??

An excellent source of gear once you have enough experience to know what
you're handling.

Also any tips on where in and around Manchester is a good place to go
fishing.. so i can gain some experience before we go away camping and
fishing

I don't know the area but I'm sure there are plenty of places locally. I've
seen some good fish in the canals for eg. There will be someone from your
area reading this - any suggestions?

Here's what I suggest you do:

DON'T buy any tackle now. You might as well get a licence though as you're
going to need it and it lasts 'til next April, your 11 year old will not
need one until next year.

Go to a tackle shop at a time when they are not too busy and ask if there
are any angling guides or instructors in the area. If there are no coarse
fishing guides there may be flycasting (usually trout) instructors.
That's the next best bet.

While you're in there ask about fishing clubs. Then contact the clubs and
see if they have any instruction schemes.

Arrange a lesson at the water of the guide's choice. Speak to or phone the
guide/instructor well before your lesson and tell him that you have no
tackle and will need to use his. Explain that you need basic instruction in
things like knot-tying and extracting hooks and undoing tangles as well as
the usual casting and fish location skills. Tell the instructor your budget
and ask that after the lesson he makes out a sensible shopping list based
on you and your son's build, strength, eyesight, dexterity and other
characteristics.

Some things you can share - at first you'll only need one landing net
between you for eg.

This may cost a little more at first but in the long run this will be cheaper
and you'll catch a lot more fish.

You two are going to have a lot of fun together...

Cheerio,

--

Dr Axe wrote:
: i have never been fishing before but would like to start... however
: the vast array of equipment is confusing m
:
: Can you please give me any advice on what equipment somebody new
: should be looking for (rod - ha ha very funny)... i could do with a
: starting poing... which make, rough cost etc.....I have read i will
: need:
:
: Rod Carbon 12-13 ft.
: Reel.
: Catch Net
: bait
: floats
: hooks
: line
: and a licence
:
: My 11 year old step-son also wants to go ... so i will be looking
for
: equipment for him as well... Do Children need anything else or can
: they use standard equipment...
:
just get him standard stuff, if he enjoys it, he'll use it for years
and if not you'll have no trouble getting rid of it to someone you
know or you can use it yourself.

: I am looking at the cheaper end of the market!!... is there a good
: 2nd hand supplier anywhere in Manchester??
:
if you're buying 2nd hand rods, take a look at the eyes...where they
are lashed on (usually covered with a thick layer of paint / enamel)
they can crack or work loose, avoid any equipment that is tatty like
this because a decent fish will pull it apart - make sure all the eyes
are in good condition and the reel seating is unworn.

: Also any tips on where in and around Manchester is a good place to
go
: fishing.. so i can gain some experience before we go away camping
and
: fishing
:

One of the best day-ticket fisheries is not far from you in Bolton,
it's called Bradshaw Hall...there are 8 lakes all crammed with fish,
mainly carp.
there's some details he
http://www.coarsefish.com/Bradshaws.htm

"Dr Axe" wrote in message
...
Can you please give me any advice on what equipment somebody new should be
looking for (rod - ha ha very funny)... i could do with a starting
poing...
which make, rough cost etc.....I have read i will need:

My advice is first, visit your library and get out a book on basic fishing
techniques. Also, if you know anyone who fishes, ask if they'll help you
out - or maybe even come with you on your first trip. As for tackle, that's
a huge subject. I suggest you go for tackle designed to catch fairly small
fish as that's probably what you'll be catching as a beginner (you never
know though - could be a big 'un waiting out there).

Rod Carbon 12-13 ft.
I suggest a 12 foot rod suitable for float fishing (you can also use it for
light ledgering too, if the mood takes you).
Don't pay more than £50 - and less if possible.

Reel.
Get something that holds about 150 metres of 3lb line. Should cost around
£30.

Catch Net
There are two types of net you'll be interested in. First, a landing net.
This 'is' necessary because whilst small fish can be 'swung in to hand' to
be unhooked, if you try that with larger fish you are likely to lose them
because they'll either drop off the hook or your line will break. Second, a
keep net. This is not necessary at first. It's nice to keep your fish
until the end of a session so that you can admire your total catch (before
releasing them) but you can save a bit of expense by releasing each fish as
it's caught and buy a keep net once you're sure that you've caught the
angling bug.

bait
Bread, worms or maggots will do to start with - they are still the best
all-round fish attractors anyway. Maggots can be bought white or
multicoloured (by artificial food dyes) and should cost £2-3 a pint.

floats
There are floats designed for every possible fishing situation but I
suggest you get a range (two or three) of wagglers that can carry split shot
of between 2 to 3AAA.

You didn't mention weights. Buy a pack of multi-sized split-shot (cost
around £5)

hooks
Packs of sizes 16 and 14 should do to start. Hooks are either 'Eyed' or
'Spade end'. I prefer eyed hooks - tie them on with a tucked blood knot.

line
2 to 3 lb - get enough to fill your reel to the edge of the spool (don't
overfill as this will cause tangles when extra loops escape the spool).

and a licence
£23 from the Post Office.


My 11 year old step-son also wants to go ... so i will be looking for
equipment for him as well.
Why not buy one set between you? Then you can learn together and save some
expense.

As for angling venues. The angling press regularly have 'Where to fish'
sections. Also do a web search using 'Fishing' and 'Manchester'. There are
also angling websites which have much useful info. (www.fishingmagic.com
www.fishingnet.com www.floatsgone.btinternet.co.uk and
www.where-to-fish.com are all worth a visit - but there are many other
websites too).

Snip as cant find original message
A Kingfisher course fishing set from Argos will suit a beginner (I am
still using mine after 4 years) it comes with 2 rods 1 for float and 1
for ledgering etc.........
http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...roductId=82222
less than £30.00.
Other items in there also suitable such as seat box.

As Phil L said, Bolton is a good fishing area.

Also in Bolton if you live anywhere near is BAS, they carry 2nd hand
gear as well as new stuff - £20 - £2000 suits all pockets.

I am happy with the argos stuff,
but disapointed with my first carp rod
(the length of the but gets caught in my coat)

only one thing I would touch on to up of what Derek has right said and that is going into a
tackle shop. don't just go into one, go into as many as you can as some deals aren't all there
cracked upto be. if you can try to go fishing with friends 1st and borrow kit, ask around the
places your fishing, tell them your just trying to get into the sport and your looking for
advice.

as Derek rightly said about your stepson, he may like it to start with but after a bit the
boredom sets in and he may wish to go and find something else to do, so if you can arrange it try
doing as I do and get the other half to pick him up after a few hours and enjoy the rest of the
day without trying to sort his tangles. when I take my 6yr old out I only take kit for him and
leave mine at home, that way I give him the time he needs and not just enough time so I can fish
as well.

All the best.
Phil.
www.cotswoldbaitcreations.co.uk



"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Dr Axe
wrote:
i have never been fishing before but would like to start... however the vast
array of equipment is confusing m

Can you please give me any advice on what equipment somebody new should be
looking for (rod - ha ha very funny)... i could do with a starting poing...

The array of equipment is meant to confuse you - 99% is designed to catch
anglers - not fish. (The manufacturers make their money out of selling
loads of gear to the people who are not catching much and think that a new
or different gadget will make the difference.)

So: in asking the question you are making a good start ... but:

Any advice you get here is worh exactly what you paid for it ;-)

which make, rough cost etc.....I have read i will need:

Rod Carbon 12-13 ft.
Reel.
Catch Net
bait
floats
hooks
line
and a licence

OK, that *might* be suitable and I could catch fish with such a setup but
we're starting from the wrong end.

My 11 year old step-son also wants to go ... so i will be looking for
equipment for him as well... Do Children need anything else or can they use
standard equipment...

If he's 11 he will not yet be strong enough to handle some of the longer
rods all day. In fact his attention span is likely to be good for about
half a day at first, maybe less. If both of you are learning you are not
likely to do very well and so risk boring him.

I am looking at the cheaper end of the market!!... is there a good 2nd hand
supplier anywhere in Manchester??

An excellent source of gear once you have enough experience to know what
you're handling.

Also any tips on where in and around Manchester is a good place to go
fishing.. so i can gain some experience before we go away camping and
fishing

I don't know the area but I'm sure there are plenty of places locally. I've
seen some good fish in the canals for eg. There will be someone from your
area reading this - any suggestions?

Here's what I suggest you do:

DON'T buy any tackle now. You might as well get a licence though as you're
going to need it and it lasts 'til next April, your 11 year old will not
need one until next year.

Go to a tackle shop at a time when they are not too busy and ask if there
are any angling guides or instructors in the area. If there are no coarse
fishing guides there may be flycasting (usually trout) instructors.
That's the next best bet.

While you're in there ask about fishing clubs. Then contact the clubs and
see if they have any instruction schemes.

Arrange a lesson at the water of the guide's choice. Speak to or phone the
guide/instructor well before your lesson and tell him that you have no
tackle and will need to use his. Explain that you need basic instruction in
things like knot-tying and extracting hooks and undoing tangles as well as
the usual casting and fish location skills. Tell the instructor your budget
and ask that after the lesson he makes out a sensible shopping list based
on you and your son's build, strength, eyesight, dexterity and other
characteristics.

Some things you can share - at first you'll only need one landing net
between you for eg.

This may cost a little more at first but in the long run this will be cheaper
and you'll catch a lot more fish.

You two are going to have a lot of fun together...

Cheerio,

--

In article , Activeviii
wrote:
only one thing I would touch on to up of what Derek has right said and that is going i
nto a
tackle shop. don't just go into one, go into as many as you can as some deals aren't a
ll there
cracked upto be.

True - that's why I suggested getting a guide/tutor to suggest suitable kit.


if you can try to go fishing with friends 1st and borrow kit, ask aro

I'd be a little hesitant about this one though. Looking after two complete
beginners on their first two or three trips is a full time task, there is no
time for the tutor to fish too.

If you -know- these friends are catching plenty of fish then yes, go
fishing with them as much as they'll have you. They will need to be very
good friends indeed to put up with coaching two newcomers from scratch
though. Much better to pay someone specialised in the job to teach you the
basics so that by the time you do go with those friends you will be able to
benefit from their experience without spoiling their day out.


as Derek rightly said about your stepson, he may like it to start with but after a bit
the
boredom sets in and he may wish to go and find something else to do, so if you can arr
ange it try
doing as I do and get the other half to pick him up after a few hours and enjoy the re
st of the
day without trying to sort his tangles. when I take my 6yr old out I only take kit fo
r him and
leave mine at home, that way I give him the time he needs and not just enough time so
I can fish
as well.

A natural time limit is useful. For the first trips with youngsters I
usually suggest an evening trip so that the onset of darkness (itself
interesting and for a city kid unused to the countryside rather exciting)
makes a memorable ending. Try to time it so you must finish just before
boredom sets in. Ideally leave him wanting more...

A six year old is probably not going to last more than a couple of hours.
By eleven three or four hours is a reasonable start and if he takes to it, a
six hour session should be OK within the year.

There's no need to catch a shedful to keep his attention btw. One or two
relative tiddlers can be enough to maintain interest. Despite what is often
suggested I always reckon that small flowing waters and small boys go
together better than most other combinations. A stream a meter deep and
four wide holds far more fish than most people imagine.

Cheerio,

--

Activeviii wrote:
: All the best.

big snip

: Phil.
: www.cotswoldbaitcreations.co.uk

Is this your site, Phil?

It's giving a 404....?

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:41:54 +0100, "Activeviii"
wrote:

All the best.
Phil.
www.cotswoldbaitcreations.co.uk
Phil, your site is down.
Who is the host?