fighting a big game fish

"Lee D" wrote in message
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"John" wrote

I've heard about the west coast guy's doing this when their on one of
the long range boats. But, to me, their is no way in hell I'm going to
throw a thousand dollars worth of rod and reel over the side hooked up
to another rod. I suspect anyone who has done this only to never see
their rod and reel again is more than a little hesitant about doing it
again. I know people do it all the time, and get away with it, but not
me, no way.

I know some third coast guys that USED to do that. They lost a rig, so
they
don't do it anymore. Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo that they
lost.

Lee D



They have a lot more than $1000 of gear in the water. Custom Rod, and
blueprinted reels. And they may have 2 rigs in the water.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
"Lee D" wrote in message
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"John" wrote

I've heard about the west coast guy's doing this when their on one of
the long range boats. But, to me, their is no way in hell I'm going to
throw a thousand dollars worth of rod and reel over the side hooked up
to another rod. I suspect anyone who has done this only to never see
their rod and reel again is more than a little hesitant about doing it
again. I know people do it all the time, and get away with it, but not
me, no way.

I know some third coast guys that USED to do that. They lost a rig, so
they
don't do it anymore. Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo that they
lost.

Lee D



They have a lot more than $1000 of gear in the water. Custom Rod, and
blueprinted reels. And they may have 2 rigs in the water.

A blueprinted reel! Has someone got you suckered. This sounds like a
West coast thing. I've never heard of this on the East coast. Our
reels work just fine right out of the box.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
"Lee D" wrote in message
...
"John" wrote

I've heard about the west coast guy's doing this when their on one of
the long range boats. But, to me, their is no way in hell I'm going to
throw a thousand dollars worth of rod and reel over the side hooked up
to another rod. I suspect anyone who has done this only to never see
their rod and reel again is more than a little hesitant about doing it
again. I know people do it all the time, and get away with it, but not
me, no way.

I know some third coast guys that USED to do that. They lost a rig, so
they
don't do it anymore. Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo that they
lost.

Lee D



They have a lot more than $1000 of gear in the water. Custom Rod, and
blueprinted reels. And they may have 2 rigs in the water.

A blueprinted reel! Has someone got you suckered. This sounds like a
West coast thing. I've never heard of this on the East coast. Our
reels work just fine right out of the box.

"John" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Lee D" wrote in message
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"John" wrote

I've heard about the west coast guy's doing this when their on one of
the long range boats. But, to me, their is no way in hell I'm going
to
throw a thousand dollars worth of rod and reel over the side hooked
up
to another rod. I suspect anyone who has done this only to never see
their rod and reel again is more than a little hesitant about doing
it
again. I know people do it all the time, and get away with it, but
not
me, no way.

I know some third coast guys that USED to do that. They lost a rig, so
they
don't do it anymore. Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo that
they
lost.

Lee D



They have a lot more than $1000 of gear in the water. Custom Rod, and
blueprinted reels. And they may have 2 rigs in the water.

A blueprinted reel! Has someone got you suckered. This sounds like a
West coast thing. I've never heard of this on the East coast. Our
reels work just fine right out of the box.


Oh yeh, just try flylining a sardine on 80 or 100 # line with one of the old
Penns.

Fred Adams

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"Lee D" wrote in message
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"John" wrote

I've heard about the west coast guy's doing this when their on one of
the long range boats. But, to me, their is no way in hell I'm going
to
throw a thousand dollars worth of rod and reel over the side hooked
up
to another rod. I suspect anyone who has done this only to never see
their rod and reel again is more than a little hesitant about doing
it
again. I know people do it all the time, and get away with it, but
not
me, no way.

I know some third coast guys that USED to do that. They lost a rig, so
they
don't do it anymore. Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo that
they
lost.

Lee D



They have a lot more than $1000 of gear in the water. Custom Rod, and
blueprinted reels. And they may have 2 rigs in the water.

A blueprinted reel! Has someone got you suckered. This sounds like a
West coast thing. I've never heard of this on the East coast. Our
reels work just fine right out of the box.


Oh yeh, just try flylining a sardine on 80 or 100 # line with one of the old
Penns.

Fred Adams

"Cliff" wrote
In article , "Lee D"
writes:

Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo that they
lost.

I have a few of those Penn Senator rigs, and like them a lot. But when
you consider that it takes me at least 150 gallons of red diesel at $2.05
a gallon to go anywhere, I'll throw them poles over the side all day if I
think I can catch anything.

Regards,
Cliff

I have a Senator rig myself and love it. I can fix just about anything that
goes wrong (odd occurrence) with the thing in a few minutes. I also have
some old Penn Longbeach reels that I like. I have better reels, but I
really like the old ones for some reason. I think it's because they are the
first reels I started working on when I was a kid.

Lee D

You must only troll big lures. Try doing standup fishing with that big old
Penn, and fly line a small sardine, or medium anchovie. Better bearings,
everything in line, and better drags. You can fish heavier braid on smaller
reels. Even Accurate frame, etc. to keep everything in line. Try landing a
100# tuna on a standard reel with 40# line. He will even 2 speed a smaller
single speed. Look up Cal Sheets. A Chevy engine out of the box works
well, but you want to go fast and last, you blueprint the engine. Same with
reels.
Bill


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"Lee D" wrote in message
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"John" wrote

I've heard about the west coast guy's doing this when their on one
of
the long range boats. But, to me, their is no way in hell I'm going
to
throw a thousand dollars worth of rod and reel over the side hooked
up
to another rod. I suspect anyone who has done this only to never see
their rod and reel again is more than a little hesitant about doing
it
again. I know people do it all the time, and get away with it, but
not
me, no way.

I know some third coast guys that USED to do that. They lost a rig,
so
they
don't do it anymore. Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo that
they
lost.

Lee D



They have a lot more than $1000 of gear in the water. Custom Rod, and
blueprinted reels. And they may have 2 rigs in the water.

A blueprinted reel! Has someone got you suckered. This sounds like a
West coast thing. I've never heard of this on the East coast. Our
reels work just fine right out of the box.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
You must only troll big lures. Try doing standup fishing with that big old
Penn, and fly line a small sardine, or medium anchovie. Better bearings,
everything in line, and better drags. You can fish heavier braid on smaller
reels. Even Accurate frame, etc. to keep everything in line. Try landing a
100# tuna on a standard reel with 40# line. He will even 2 speed a smaller
single speed. Look up Cal Sheets. A Chevy engine out of the box works
well, but you want to go fast and last, you blueprint the engine. Same with
reels.
Bill


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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Lee D" wrote in message
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"John" wrote

I've heard about the west coast guy's doing this when their on one
of
the long range boats. But, to me, their is no way in hell I'm going
to
throw a thousand dollars worth of rod and reel over the side hooked
up
to another rod. I suspect anyone who has done this only to never see
their rod and reel again is more than a little hesitant about doing
it
again. I know people do it all the time, and get away with it, but
not
me, no way.

I know some third coast guys that USED to do that. They lost a rig,
so
they
don't do it anymore. Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo that
they
lost.

Lee D



They have a lot more than $1000 of gear in the water. Custom Rod, and
blueprinted reels. And they may have 2 rigs in the water.

A blueprinted reel! Has someone got you suckered. This sounds like a
West coast thing. I've never heard of this on the East coast. Our
reels work just fine right out of the box.

Sorry guy's, but we've been using stand up rods on the east coast with
Internationals since the 80's. On everything from Blue Marlin to
Bluefins, with both light and heavy line. A Bluefin of 100 pounds is a
little guy here in the fall, no one wants them. Their all on standup
gear, 200 pounders are nice ones, they get a lot bigger than that. I
do admitt that my back prefers the big guns for the big guys in the
chair, hey, I've got to go to work on Monday morning. Most of us that
have been fishing for a while have made the mistake of buying an
expensive reel from a small manufacturer, or one made in the far east.
And we got screwed when the small manufacturer went belly up, or the
"Made in Japan" reel went out of production, along with the spare
parts. The lesson we learned, stick with Penn, their reels work, their
easy to keep in good working order, parts are available anywhere, and
they last forever. My International 50's that I bought in the early 80
still work great, they've had line as light as 40 lb test, and as
heavy as 80 lb test. I've got 50's, 70's, 80's and 130's, when your
running your own boat, rather than fishing from someone else's, or on
a long range boat, you need a full compliment of rods and reels. It
gets very expensive if you find out that they don't make parts for
those reels anymore. All the large Japanese reel manufacturers
discontinue parts after a reel goes out of production. For you it's
probably not a problem, how many expensive reels do you need? I've got
13 (five 50's, four 70's, two 80's and two 130's), do the math, that's
a lot of money. I need reels that are going to do the job, are
versitile, and be with me for a long time.

But do you cast a small pinhead anchovie with those big 2 speeds?

"John" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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You must only troll big lures. Try doing standup fishing with that big
old
Penn, and fly line a small sardine, or medium anchovie. Better
bearings,
everything in line, and better drags. You can fish heavier braid on
smaller
reels. Even Accurate frame, etc. to keep everything in line. Try
landing a
100# tuna on a standard reel with 40# line. He will even 2 speed a
smaller
single speed. Look up Cal Sheets. A Chevy engine out of the box works
well, but you want to go fast and last, you blueprint the engine. Same
with
reels.
Bill


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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Lee D" wrote in message
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"John" wrote

I've heard about the west coast guy's doing this when their on
one
of
the long range boats. But, to me, their is no way in hell I'm
going
to
throw a thousand dollars worth of rod and reel over the side
hooked
up
to another rod. I suspect anyone who has done this only to never
see
their rod and reel again is more than a little hesitant about
doing
it
again. I know people do it all the time, and get away with it,
but
not
me, no way.

I know some third coast guys that USED to do that. They lost a
rig,
so
they
don't do it anymore. Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo
that
they
lost.

Lee D



They have a lot more than $1000 of gear in the water. Custom Rod,
and
blueprinted reels. And they may have 2 rigs in the water.

A blueprinted reel! Has someone got you suckered. This sounds like a
West coast thing. I've never heard of this on the East coast. Our
reels work just fine right out of the box.

Sorry guy's, but we've been using stand up rods on the east coast with
Internationals since the 80's. On everything from Blue Marlin to
Bluefins, with both light and heavy line. A Bluefin of 100 pounds is a
little guy here in the fall, no one wants them. Their all on standup
gear, 200 pounders are nice ones, they get a lot bigger than that. I
do admitt that my back prefers the big guns for the big guys in the
chair, hey, I've got to go to work on Monday morning. Most of us that
have been fishing for a while have made the mistake of buying an
expensive reel from a small manufacturer, or one made in the far east.
And we got screwed when the small manufacturer went belly up, or the
"Made in Japan" reel went out of production, along with the spare
parts. The lesson we learned, stick with Penn, their reels work, their
easy to keep in good working order, parts are available anywhere, and
they last forever. My International 50's that I bought in the early 80
still work great, they've had line as light as 40 lb test, and as
heavy as 80 lb test. I've got 50's, 70's, 80's and 130's, when your
running your own boat, rather than fishing from someone else's, or on
a long range boat, you need a full compliment of rods and reels. It
gets very expensive if you find out that they don't make parts for
those reels anymore. All the large Japanese reel manufacturers
discontinue parts after a reel goes out of production. For you it's
probably not a problem, how many expensive reels do you need? I've got
13 (five 50's, four 70's, two 80's and two 130's), do the math, that's
a lot of money. I need reels that are going to do the job, are
versitile, and be with me for a long time.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
But do you cast a small pinhead anchovie with those big 2 speeds?

Never had a reason to cast a bait from a large rod and reel. You might
have to on a long range boat, but not from a private boat on the east
coast. When we have to let out a live bait we put the rod in a holder,
pull some line from the tip, toss the bait out, then pull line from
the tip to slowly let the bait back. Our fish here, for the most part,
don't stay up on top for long, our off shore waters are warm in the
summer (70's) and cooler in the fall (60's to 50's), the fish tend to
pop up quickly, then head back to cooler water. We set up on top of
schools that we mark on the recorder, then send baits back/down to
them. Our fish can be very sensitive to how the bait drifts or swims.
If it looks funny, they may not touch it. Fish feeding on the surface
are generally not as concerned about presentation, it's every fish for
it's self. A large reel that can be used to cast a lite bait would be
of very little use here.

"John" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
link.net...
You must only troll big lures. Try doing standup fishing with that big
old
Penn, and fly line a small sardine, or medium anchovie. Better
bearings,
everything in line, and better drags. You can fish heavier braid on
smaller
reels. Even Accurate frame, etc. to keep everything in line. Try
landing a
100# tuna on a standard reel with 40# line. He will even 2 speed a
smaller
single speed. Look up Cal Sheets. A Chevy engine out of the box works
well, but you want to go fast and last, you blueprint the engine. Same
with
reels.
Bill


"John" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Lee D" wrote in message
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"John" wrote

I've heard about the west coast guy's doing this when their on
one
of
the long range boats. But, to me, their is no way in hell I'm
going
to
throw a thousand dollars worth of rod and reel over the side
hooked
up
to another rod. I suspect anyone who has done this only to never
see
their rod and reel again is more than a little hesitant about
doing
it
again. I know people do it all the time, and get away with it,
but
not
me, no way.

I know some third coast guys that USED to do that. They lost a
rig,
so
they
don't do it anymore. Good thing it was only a Senator 4/0 combo
that
they
lost.

Lee D



They have a lot more than $1000 of gear in the water. Custom Rod,
and
blueprinted reels. And they may have 2 rigs in the water.

A blueprinted reel! Has someone got you suckered. This sounds like a
West coast thing. I've never heard of this on the East coast. Our
reels work just fine right out of the box.

Sorry guy's, but we've been using stand up rods on the east coast with
Internationals since the 80's. On everything from Blue Marlin to
Bluefins, with both light and heavy line. A Bluefin of 100 pounds is a
little guy here in the fall, no one wants them. Their all on standup
gear, 200 pounders are nice ones, they get a lot bigger than that. I
do admitt that my back prefers the big guns for the big guys in the
chair, hey, I've got to go to work on Monday morning. Most of us that
have been fishing for a while have made the mistake of buying an
expensive reel from a small manufacturer, or one made in the far east.
And we got screwed when the small manufacturer went belly up, or the
"Made in Japan" reel went out of production, along with the spare
parts. The lesson we learned, stick with Penn, their reels work, their
easy to keep in good working order, parts are available anywhere, and
they last forever. My International 50's that I bought in the early 80
still work great, they've had line as light as 40 lb test, and as
heavy as 80 lb test. I've got 50's, 70's, 80's and 130's, when your
running your own boat, rather than fishing from someone else's, or on
a long range boat, you need a full compliment of rods and reels. It
gets very expensive if you find out that they don't make parts for
those reels anymore. All the large Japanese reel manufacturers
discontinue parts after a reel goes out of production. For you it's
probably not a problem, how many expensive reels do you need? I've got
13 (five 50's, four 70's, two 80's and two 130's), do the math, that's
a lot of money. I need reels that are going to do the job, are
versitile, and be with me for a long time.