Why is this getting no play??

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...a-na-aviator6-
2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1


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On 7 Oct 2008 22:37:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
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2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Maybe for the same reasons Obama's pot and blow usage isn't...

Speaking only for myself, I don't think that anyone who hasn't done a
few wild things in their youth is fit to be a leader as an adult. I
don't begrudge a person their mistakes, only not learning from them.

HTH,
R

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On 7 Oct 2008 22:37:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
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http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...a-na-aviator6-
2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Maybe for the same reasons Obama's pot and blow usage isn't...

Speaking only for myself, I don't think that anyone who hasn't done a
few wild things in their youth is fit to be a leader as an adult. I
don't begrudge a person their mistakes, only not learning from them.

HTH,
R


How many plane crashes do you have to have to show you're not learning from
your mistakes?? At least 4, I imagine.

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On 7 Oct 2008 23:03:57 GMT, Scott Seidman
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On 7 Oct 2008 22:37:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
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http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...a-na-aviator6-
2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Maybe for the same reasons Obama's pot and blow usage isn't...

Speaking only for myself, I don't think that anyone who hasn't done a
few wild things in their youth is fit to be a leader as an adult. I
don't begrudge a person their mistakes, only not learning from them.

HTH,
R


How many plane crashes do you have to have to show you're not learning from
your mistakes?? At least 4, I imagine.

How many strikeouts do you have to have to be leading home-run hitter of
all time...? But I see what you're saying...Obama could have a bad day,
get all coked up and high on Thai stick, freak out, and start pushing
buttons or something, whereas McCain shouldn't be allowed to fly fighter
jets anymore...fair enough...

HTH,
R

On 7 Oct 2008 22:37:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
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http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...a-na-aviator6-
2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Why should it. Why isn't this getting any press:

Franklin Raines was a Chairman and Chief
Executive Officer at Fannie Mae. Raines was forced to retire from
his position with Fannie Mae when auditing discovered severe
irregulaties in Fannie Mae's accounting activities. At the time of
his departure The Wall Street Journal noted,
' Raines, who long defended the company's accounting despite
mounting evidence that it wasn't proper , issued a statement
late Tuesday conceding that 'mistakes were made' and saying he
would assume responsibility as he had earlier promised. News reports
indicate the company was under growing pressure from regulators to
shake up its management in the wake of findings that the
company's books ran afoul of generally accepted accounting principles
for four years.' Fannie Mae had to reduce its
surplus by $9 billio n.

Raines left with a 'golden parachute valued at $240
Million in benefits. The Government filed suit against Raines when the
depth of the accounting scandal became clear.
http://housingdoom.com/2006/12/18/fannie-charges/ . The
Government noted, ' The 101 charges reveal how the individuals
improperly manipulated earnings to maximize their bonuses, while
knowingly neglecting accounting systems and internal controls,
misapplying over twenty accounting principles and misleading the
regulator and the public. The Notice explains how they submitted six
years of misleading and inaccurate accounting statements and
inaccurate cap ital reports that enabled them to grow Fannie Mae in an
unsafe and unsound manner.' These charges were made in
2006. The Court ordered Raines to return $50 Million Dollars he
received in bonuses based on the miss-stated Fannie Mae profits.

Tim Howard - Was the
Chief Financial Officer of Fannie Mae. Howard 'was a strong internal
proponent of using accounting strategies that would ensure a 'stable
pattern of earnings' at Fannie. In everyday English - he was
cooking the books . The Government Investigation
determined that, 'Chief Financial Officer, Tim Howard, failed to
provide adequate oversight to key control and reporting functions
within Fannie Mae ,'

On June 16, 2006, Rep. Richard Baker, R-La .,
asked the Justice Department to investigate his allegations
that two former Fannie Mae executives lied to Congress
in October 2004 when theydenied manipulating the mortgage-finance
giant's income statement to achieve management pay bonuses .
Investigations by federal regulators and the company's board of
directors since concluded that management did manipulate 1998 earnings
to trigger bonuses. Raines and Howard resigned under pressure in late
2004.

Howard's Golden Parachute was estimated at $20 Million!

Jim Johnson -
A former executive at Lehman Brothers and who was
later forced from his position as Fannie Mae CEO . A look
at the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's May 2006
report ; on mismanagement and corruption
inside Fannie Mae, and you'll see some interesting things about
Johnson. Investigators found that Fannie Mae had hidden a
substantial amount of Johnson's 1998 compensation from the public,
reporting that it was between $6 million and $7 million when it fact
it was $21 million.' Johnson is currently under investigation
for taking illegal loans from Countrywide while serving as CEO of
Fannie Mae.

Johnson's Golden Parachute was estimated at $28
Million.




WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

FRANKLIN RAINES? Raines works
for the Obama Campaign as Chief Economic Advisor

TIM HOWARD?
Howard is also a Chief Economic Advisor to Obama

JIM JOHNSON?
Johnson hired as a Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was
selected to run Obama's Vice Presidential Search Committee

On 7 Oct 2008 23:03:57 GMT, Scott Seidman
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How many plane crashes do you have to have to show you're not learning from
your mistakes?? At least 4, I imagine.

How many chances do you need to get out of a war where you are in
constant danger. Kerry left fraudulently. While aboard Forrestal
waiting to go on a sortie, McCain's aircraft was hit by a mis-fired
missle and blew up. McCain got out, rescued the plane captain, and
helped fight the fire. When Forrestal was sent home, *along with her
aircrews*, McCain volunteered to change squadrons and went aboard
Oriskany to continue his duties. It was from Oriskany that he was
shot down. He's a genuine hero, Scott. Stop trying to make him out
to be anything else. You're better than that.

Dave

Dave LaCourse wrote in
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WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

FRANKLIN RAINES? Raines works
for the Obama Campaign as Chief Economic Advisor


TIM HOWARD?
Howard is also a Chief Economic Advisor to Obama


JIM JOHNSON?
Johnson hired as a Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was
selected to run Obama's Vice Presidential Search Committee




I was going to refute each one individually, but snopes covers them all at
once, Dave.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/fanniemae.asp



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He's a genuine hero, Scott. Stop trying to make him out
to be anything else. You're better than that.

He's a hero, Dave, but we're talking about the judgement of a man who
wants to lead the free world.

Before Vietnam, he crashed an AD-6 into Corpus Christi Bay.
"Investigators determined that McCain was watching instruments in his
cockpit that indicated the position of his landing gear and had lost
track of his altitude and speed."

He ran his Skyraider into electrical wires in Spain. McCain himself said
this was because of "daredevil clowning".

He ejected from a T-2 in 1965 over Virginia, crashing the plane into the
woods. "The report found that McCain, then assigned to squadron VT-7 in
Meridian, Miss., had made several errors: He failed to switch the plane's
power system to battery backup, which "seriously jeopardized his survival
chances." His idea of landing on the drag strip was "viewed with concern
and is indicative of questionable emergency procedure.""

He crashed two planes and almost crashed a third before he ever saw
combat.

He probably wouldn't have still been flying by Vietnam if his father
weren't Mr. Big.

Perhaps this explains why less than 10 pages of his military record have
been released, when the full package is rumored to be hundreds of pages.

Cleland was a hero, too, Dave. Why was it OK to post mortem his PH, but
asking why we don't know about McCain's early aviation problems is
questioning his heroism?




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Dave LaCourse wrote:

... He's a genuine hero, Scott. Stop trying to make him out
to be anything else. You're better than that.

John Kerry is also a genuine hero but that didn't stop the
Swift Boat lies.

Face the facts, Captain McCain was a first-class ****up as
a midshipman and an officer, the only reason it took them
so long to finally drum his ass out of the Navy was because
he was a legacy officer, the son and grandson of Admirals.

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:57:23 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

... He's a genuine hero, Scott. Stop trying to make him out
to be anything else. You're better than that.

John Kerry is also a genuine hero

Er, no.

but that didn't stop the Swift Boat lies.

True enough.

Face the facts, Captain McCain was a first-class ****up as
a midshipman and an officer, the only reason it took them
so long to finally drum his ass out of the Navy was because
he was a legacy officer, the son and grandson of Admirals.

Er, no.

HTH,
R