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What's your favorite fly fishing book?
What'd it cost 'em?
Wolfgang Not a thing we weren't more than willing to pay. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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What's your favorite fly fishing book?
"Mike Connor" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... SNIP One hates to cast aspersions (however unintentionally) on anyone's integrity or offer commentary on eyewitness accounts of events at which he was himself not present, but careful observers as far back as Bartram and Audubon (as well as others too numerous to mention) have noted that herons do not usually carry their prey. Wolfgang But some heros apparently do so, maybe it was superman trying to **** off mighty mouse? Perhaps, but if so, it was some time ago. These days, so I hear, he confines himself pretty much to gardening. Wolfgang and organic, at that.. |
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What's your favorite fly fishing book?
"Mike Connor" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... wrote in message ... ...those who burn plastic are unaware that it won't burn and won't break down..... Hm.....what do you think we can do to convince them? Wolfgang who, admittedly, is stumped. Go back to selling drinks in glass bottles, and wear ironclad boots? Well, it isn't so much the ecological issues that have me perplexed as it is the rapidly oxidizing noncombustibles. I mean, is this why flammable and inflammable mean the same thing?.......hm......no, I don't think that's it either. Wolfgang who, confused though he obviously is, will still pass on wearing pantyhose to a brush fire. |
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What's your favorite fly fishing book?
"Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... SNIP Well, it isn't so much the ecological issues that have me perplexed as it is the rapidly oxidizing noncombustibles. I mean, is this why flammable and inflammable mean the same thing?.......hm......no, I don't think that's it either. Wolfgang who, confused though he obviously is, will still pass on wearing pantyhose to a brush fire. Somewhat bemused myself. Most plastics will burn alright, with some unfortunate side effects of course, mainly due to incomplete combustion, one most unfortunate and common effect of burning PVC for instance, is the production of tetrachloro-dibenzo-dioxin, but complete combustion merely results in the production of water, carbon dioxide, and hydrogen chloride. In practice, some incomplete combustion products such as TCDD are invariably formed, if at relatively low levels. None of this prevents plastics from burning though. I am not entirely sure what is meant here. TL MC |
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What's your favorite fly fishing book?
"Willi" wrote in message ... Sounds to me you guys were imbibing in something in bit more psychoactive than alcohol. Whatever it is, it ain't Scotch. Can't even spell whisky right! Wayne (had to fit that somewhere in this thread) |
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What's your favorite fly fishing book?
wrote in message ... In article , says... It seems to me that anyone that clever should be able to explain to people why the stuff they are burning won't burn. Well, it seems rather obvious, but since it's you (and we've all seen the problems you have with reading comprehension) I'll try. Thanks, I appreciate the effort. I have never come across someone attempting to burn plastic in a campfire. Don't get out much, huh? I like to think that it's the company that I keep, I doubt it. When I worked at a so-called "youth ranch" in Missouri some years ago I took a lot of kids with moderate to severe learning disabilities camping. None of them showed any sign of difficulty in learning the requisite skills. but that's likely just wishful thinking. So it seems. Perhaps I've just been lucky. Well, the fact that you have access to a computer suggests that you've managed to evade the animal control authorities thus far so, yeah, I'd say REALLY lucky. All of the times I've observed it have been upon entering a camp and finding the garbage left in the fire pits by previous occupants. Observed what? The burning of noncombustibles? You still don't get it....obviously. No surprise......obviously. If you have observed people burning plastic it should come as no surprise that the **** DOES burn. If you have NOT observed it then all you know is that you've never seen plastic burn. If you have seen unburned plastics ANYPLACE, then all you know is that the unburned plastics you have seen were not burned. None of this informs your opinion on whether or not plastics WILL burn. In fact, NOTHING informs your opinion on this matter as it is clear that you think plastics will not burn, while the vast majority of them most certainly DO burn.....and readily. ALL of the plastics the average consumer comes into frequent contact with are simply long chain polymers consisting mostly of carbon and hydrogen, with bits of nitrogen, chlorine, and fluorine. Carbon and hydrogen have a well documented and rabid (if you'll pardon the metaphor) affinity for another fairly common and moderately well known and EXTREMELY reactive element.......oxygen.....you may have heard of it. Put either or both of the former in close contact with the latter, add a bit of heat, and stand back because the **** gets exciting real fast.....we call it "fire". The chlorine and fluorine are even MORE (really, it's true!) reactive than oxygen...but they swing the same way, if you know what I mean, and they're fickle. So, they don't much like oxygen, and they aren't especially fond of carbon or hydrogen either (though they will do some coupling....heh, heh,....under certain circumstances), so they typically just scoot off somewhere (more on that if you've got the stomach......and the neurons and synapses.....for it). Nitrogen likes oxygen well enough, but ain't exactly infatuated....it comes and goes. Now, of course, there are lot's of polymers (plastics.....get it?) that have all sorts of other stuff in them, but most of them are reserved for special applications that the average consumer isn't even aware of, let alone a party to. They aren't likely to show up in a campfire. Anyway, what all of this leads up to (as any marginal reader will have guessed a long time ago) is that the **** you've found (and, in all likelihood, left.....your own more than others.....nudge, nudge, wink, wink) in fire pits is simply stuff that DIDN'T burn as opposed to stuff that DOESN'T burn. I have four separate containers in my garage, all dedicated to various blends of gasoline and/or 2 cycle motor oil, ranging from 0% oil on up. I just went out and checked all of them. NONE of the gasoline in any of those containers has burned.....I KNOW this for a fact because the gasoline is still there. BUT, I guarantee you that the **** DOES!! burn. Wanna prove me wrong? You starting to see where this line of reasoning is going? I don't generally enter other people's campsites while they are still there, I assume you do most of your camping in the USA......a country I am more or less intimately familiar with. It is an undeniable fact that many Americans routinely go about armed with guns and/or other lethal weapons. It is also a fact that most people, wherever in the world one might be, do not gladly suffer intrusions by slavering idiots. I think your policy is a wise one. so my ability to explain the proper means of disposal of their plastics is impaired by the fact that those people are no longer present. But then, in a very real sense, neither are you. Who is at fault? Hope none of those words were too large for you, Not at all. Thanks for asking. I'd hate for you to have to try to work a dictionary. If you were literate and had an attention span you would have learned long ago that I have numerous dictionaries and work them frequently....and with great ease. You would also have learned (though the knowledge would do you absolutely no good) that I AM a ****ing dictionary. Um......by the way.....would you like to take a shot at explaining why the stuff that people are burning won't burn? Wolfgang anyone suffering from doubts about where all those nickels come from? |
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What's your favorite fly fishing book?
"slenon" wrote in message . com... What'd it cost 'em? Wolfgang Not a thing we weren't more than willing to pay. One begins to wonder whether you would recognize a reference to a literary antecedent if the bitch jumped up and bit off whatever parts of yourself you haven't already carved off yourself.......not care, mind you......just wonder. Wolfgang |
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What's your favorite fly fishing book?
"Mike Connor" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... SNIP Well, it isn't so much the ecological issues that have me perplexed as it is the rapidly oxidizing noncombustibles. I mean, is this why flammable and inflammable mean the same thing?.......hm......no, I don't think that's it either. Wolfgang who, confused though he obviously is, will still pass on wearing pantyhose to a brush fire. Somewhat bemused myself. Most plastics will burn alright, with some unfortunate side effects of course, mainly due to incomplete combustion, one most unfortunate and common effect of burning PVC for instance, is the production of tetrachloro-dibenzo-dioxin, but complete combustion merely results in the production of water, carbon dioxide, and hydrogen chloride. In practice, some incomplete combustion products such as TCDD are invariably formed, if at relatively low levels. None of this prevents plastics from burning though. I am not entirely sure what is meant here. Neither is anyone else. What makes it all interesting (and not a little amusing) though, is that the author of the original statement to the effect that people who burn plastics don't know that plastics won't burn obviously hasn't got a ****ing clue as to what is meant. Wolfgang yeah, it's free, but it's STILL cheap! |
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What's your favorite fly fishing book?
just wonder.
Wolfgang You can't see my brass doorknob nor my sore toe, no matter how many feet of fence you whitewash. Now, if you have a dead cat we can get rid of your warts, maybe sell them to the Duke of Dishwater, then jump out to Calaveras county for the frog legs. I recognized the antecedent when it appeared. I chose to ignore the obvious. And for on brief moment I thought that perhaps you had risen above your common level. Oh, well. Should have looked at the plimsoll lines and recalled what dwells in bilges. And, FWIW, Cruader Rabbit can beat Mighty Mouse any day of the week. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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