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Ken Fortenberry
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It's been the unwritten but almost universally recognized convention
that rofft is one corner of cyberspace a fly fisherman can go that is
free from a lot of the bickering and nonsense that goes on in roff. I
apologize for rather flagrantly defying convention, but I thought it
necessary. This place had become overrun with posters from NEFF who
had no clue they were posting to Usenet. They brought with them their
village idiot, AKSkim, and a ****ing contest broke out. Well, given
the limitations of their forum it was more like a bunch of angry
teenage girls exchanging nasty notes in geography class than a real
roffian ****ing contest, but it was untoward here in rofft. They and
their .doc fly recipes and obnoxious graphics are gone for now, thanks
riverman and Tom Littleton, and we now return you to your regularly
scheduled rofft. And I promise to be conventional. ;-) -- Ken
Fortenberry
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From: Ken Fortenberry
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:47:21 -0500
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 8:47 pm
Subject: Jersey Epilogue
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It's been the unwritten but almost universally recognized
convention that rofft is one corner of cyberspace a fly
fisherman can go that is free from a lot of the bickering
and nonsense that goes on in roff.

I apologize for rather flagrantly defying convention, but
I thought it necessary.

This place had become overrun with posters from NEFF who
had no clue they were posting to Usenet. They brought
with them their village idiot, AKSkim, and a ****ing
contest broke out. Well, given the limitations of their
forum it was more like a bunch of angry teenage girls
exchanging nasty notes in geography class than a real
roffian ****ing contest, but it was untoward here in rofft.

They and their .doc fly recipes and obnoxious graphics are
gone for now, thanks riverman and Tom Littleton, and we now
return you to your regularly scheduled rofft.

And I promise to be conventional. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Tom Littleton
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

... ....as much as it
pains me to type this, Forty, your actions were correct. Basically, I
noted that the influx of those stone morons drove many long-time
posters off ROFFT. I hope that we can now resuscitate a great, if
underutilized resource. I, for one, have learned much from this
group Tom
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From: "Tom Littleton"
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:12:45 GMT
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 9:12 pm
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

...

....as much as it pains me to type this, Forty, your actions were
correct.
Basically, I noted that the influx of those stone morons drove many
long-time posters off ROFFT.
I hope that we can now resuscitate a great, if underutilized resource.
I,
for one, have learned much from this group
Tom

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George Orwell
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Why dont you just **** off, asshole? Il mittente di questo messaggio|
The sender address of this non corrisponde ad un utente |message is
not related to a real reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a
fake address of an di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it
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From: George Orwell
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:14:19 +0200 (CEST)
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 10:14 pm
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Why dont you just **** off, asshole?

Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this
non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real
reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it

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Scott Seidman
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George Orwell wrote in news:
: Why dont you just
**** off, asshole? Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender
address of this non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not
related to a real reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a
fake address of an di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info

https://www.mixmaster.it Mike-- anonymous reposters are shady places
to be hanging around. Nowhere near as well lit as train stations. --
Scott Reverse name to reply
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From: Scott Seidman
Date: 4 Aug 2008 20:19:07 GMT
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 10:19 pm
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George Orwell wrote in
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Why dont you just **** off, asshole?
Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this
non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real
reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it

Mike-- anonymous reposters are shady places to be hanging around.
Nowhere
near as well lit as train stations.

--
Scott
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On Aug 4, 10:19 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
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wrote innews:
: Why dont you just
**** off, asshole? Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender
address of this non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not
related to a real reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a
fake address of an di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous
system Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it Mike-- anonymous

reposters are shady places to be hanging around. Nowhere near as
well lit as train stations. -- Scott Reverse name to reply You
are a ****ing stupid scumbag, and your lying and libellous
insinuations merely reflect your abysmal character. I don´t need to
use anonymous reposters asshole. I used one for the first time
yesterday, simply because my Google quote was exhausted. Now then, you
miserable characterless cowardly lying ****, why don´t you **** off
and stop annoying honest people with your lies and rubbish. Mike
Connor http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage
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On Aug 4, 10:19 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:

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George Orwell wrote innews:3fd2497a573f92f628b12bc1645cc060@mixmaster. it:
Why dont you just **** off, asshole?
Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this
non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real
reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it
Mike-- anonymous reposters are shady places to be hanging around. Nowhere
near as well lit as train stations.
--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

You are a ****ing stupid scumbag, and your lying and libellous
insinuations merely reflect your abysmal character.

I don´t need to use anonymous reposters asshole. I used one for the
first time yesterday, simply because my Google quote was exhausted.

Now then, you miserable characterless cowardly lying ****, why don´t
you **** off and stop annoying honest people with your lies and
rubbish.

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

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You are a ****ing stupid scumbag, and your lying and libellous
insinuations merely reflect your abysmal character.

Scott's, not here, Sybil.

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Scott
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You are a stupid ****, and as there seems no sensible way to prevent
stupid ****s like you and others of a similar bent, I will try
something else.

I will repost every single thread you use to denigrate me.

I will use every single system I can la my hands on to do it, and I
will also research your personal data until I find out everything
about you, and then post that on every system I can reach,

I will also post it on my forum and on my personal website which has 6
to 700 visitors a day at present, and once I have your address, I will
also send letters to everybody I can find who is even remotely
connected to you, regard less of how much time it takes, or how much
it costs me.

Either **** off and leave me alone you ****ing unprnicipled bag of
****, or see what I can do when a **** like you really ****es me off.

There is not much I can do about Fortenberry, because everybody
already knows what a **** he is, but I can make you wish you had never
heard my name you sack of cowardly lying ****e.

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

Section 223 of title 47 as amended by the Communications Decency Act
The text below shows section 223 as amended by the CDA and with the
appropriate text striken pursuant to Reno v. ACLU, __ US __ (1997).
Struck Down by Supreme Court in Reno v ACLU
Amended (deleted added) by PROTECT Act of 2003 S 151 (note that
PROTECT Act technically deletes the struck down language from Reno v
ACLU)

47 USC s 223. Obscene or harassing telephone calls in the District of
Columbia or in interstate or foreign communications

(a) Prohibited general purposes

Whoever-- (1) in interstate or foreign communications--
(A) by means of a telecommunications device knowingly--

(i) makes, creates, or solicits, and

(ii) initiates the transmission of,

Annoy.com Free to Bother Netizens, CNET (Sept 24, 1998) ("A panel of
three U.S. District court judges in San Francisco narrowly tailored a
little-known provision of the Communications Decency Act that made it
a crime, punishable by a fine and up to two years in prison, to
transmit "indecent" material "with intent to annoy. The federal panel
did not throw out the statute as unconstitutional, but in a split
decision, the judges said the statute applied only to "obscene"
speech, which is not protected by the First Amendment.")
any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or other
communication which is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent,
child porngraphy with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass
another person;

(B) by means of a telecommunications device knowingly--

(i) makes, creates, or solicits, and

(ii) initiates the transmission of,

any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or other
communication which is obscene or child pornography indecent, knowing
that the recipient of the communication is under 18 years of age,
regardless of whether the maker of such communication placed the call
or initiated the communication;

(C) makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications device,
whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without
disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or
harass any person at the called number or who receives the
communications; [See Cyberstalking]

(D) makes or causes the telephone of another repeatedly or
continuously to ring, with intent to harass any person at the called
number; or

(E) makes repeated telephone calls or repeatedly initiates
communication with a telecommunications device, during which
conversation or communication ensues, solely to harass any person at
the called number or who receives the communication; or

(2) knowingly permits any telecommunications facility under his
control to be used for any activity prohibited by paragraph (1) with
the intent that it be used for such activity,

shall be fined under Title 18, or imprisoned not more than two years,
or both.

(b) Prohibited commercial purposes; defense to prosecution
(1) Whoever knowingly--
(A) within the United States, by means of telephone, makes (directly
or by recording device) any obscene communication for commercial
purposes to any person, regardless of whether the maker of such
communication placed the call; or
(B) permits any telephone facility under such person's control to be
used for an activity prohibited by subparagraph (A),

shall be fined in accordance with Title 18, or imprisoned not more
than two years, or both.
(2) Whoever knowingly--

(A) within the United States, by means of telephone, makes (directly
or by recording device) any indecent communication for commercial
purposes which is available to any person under 18 years of age or to
any other person without that person's consent, regardless of whether
the maker of such communication placed the call; or
(B) permits any telephone facility under such person's control to be
used for an activity prohibited by subparagraph (A), shall be fined
not more than $50,000 or imprisoned not more than six months, or
both.

(3) It is a defense to prosecution under paragraph (2) of this
subsection that the defendant restricted access to the prohibited
communication to persons 18 years of age or older in accordance with
subsection (c) of this section and with such procedures as the
Commission may prescribe by regulation.
(4) In addition to the penalties under paragraph (1), whoever, within
the United States, intentionally violates paragraph (1) or (2) shall
be subject to a fine of not more than $50,000 for each violation. For
purposes of this paragraph, each day of violation shall constitute a
separate violation.

(5)(A) In addition to the penalties under paragraphs (1), (2), and
(5), whoever, within the United States, violates paragraph (1) or (2)
shall be subject to a civil fine of not more than $50,000 for each
violation. For purposes of this paragraph, each day of violation shall
constitute a separate violation.

(B) A fine under this paragraph may be assessed either--

(i) by a court, pursuant to civil action by the Commission or any
attorney employed by the Commission who is designated by the
Commission for such purposes, or
(ii) by the Commission after appropriate administrative proceedings.

(6) The Attorney General may bring a suit in the appropriate district
court of the United States to enjoin any act or practice which
violates paragraph (1) or (2). An injunction may be granted in
accordance with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
(c) Restriction on access to subscribers by common carriers; judicial
remedies respecting restrictions
(1) A common carrier within the District of Columbia or within any
State, or in interstate or foreign commerce, shall not, to the extent
technically feasible, provide access to a communication specified in
subsection (b) of this section from the telephone of any subscriber
who has not previously requested in writing the carrier to provide
access to such communication if the carrier collects from subscribers
an identifiable charge for such communication that the carrier remits,
in whole or in part, to the provider of such communication.
(2) Except as provided in paragraph (3), no cause of action may be
brought in any court or administrative agency against any common
carrier, or any of its affiliates, including their officers,
directors, employees, agents, or authorized representatives on account
of--

(A) any action which the carrier demonstrates was taken in good faith
to restrict access pursuant to paragraph (1) of this subsection; or
(B) any access permitted--

(i) in good faith reliance upon the lack of any representation by a
provider of communications that communications provided by that
provider are communications specified in subsection (b) of this
section, or
(ii) because a specific representation by the provider did not allow
the carrier, acting in good faith, a sufficient period to restrict
access to communications described in subsection (b) of this section.

(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (2) of this subsection, a provider of
communications services to which subscribers are denied access
pursuant to paragraph (1) of this subsection may bring an action for a
declaratory judgment or similar action in a court. Any such action
shall be limited to the question of whether the communications which
the provider seeks to provide fall within the category of
communications to which the carrier will provide access only to
subscribers who have previously requested such access.
(d) Sending or displaying offensive material to persons under 18
Whoever--
(1) in interstate or foreign communications knowingly--

(A) uses an interactive computer service to send to a specific person
or persons under 18 years of age, or
(B) uses any interactive computer service to display in a manner
available to a person under 18 years of age,

any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or other
communication that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms
patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards,
sexual or excretory activities or organs, is obscene or child
pornography regardless of whether the user of such service placed the
call or initiated the communication; or
(2) knowingly permits any telecommunications facility under such
person's control to be used for an activity prohibited by paragraph
(1) with the intent that it be used for such activity,

shall be fined under Title 18, or imprisoned not more than two years,
or both.

(e) Defenses
In addition to any other defenses available by law:
(1) No person shall be held to have violated subsection (a) or (d) of
this section solely for providing access or connection to or from a
facility, system, or network not under that person's control,
including transmission, downloading, intermediate storage, access
software, or other related capabilities that are incidental to
providing such access or connection that does not include the creation
of the content of the communication.

(2) The defenses provided by paragraph (1) of this subsection shall
not be applicable to a person who is a conspirator with an entity
actively involved in the creation or knowing distribution of
communications that violate this section, or who knowingly advertises
the availability of such communications.

(3) The defenses provided in paragraph (1) of this subsection shall
not be applicable to a person who provides access or connection to a
facility, system, or network engaged in the violation of this section
that is owned or controlled by such person.

(4) No employer shall be held liable under this section for the
actions of an employee or agent unless the employee's or agent's
conduct is within the scope of his or her employment or agency and the
employer (A) having knowledge of such conduct, authorizes or ratifies
such conduct, or (B) recklessly disregards such conduct.

(5) It is a defense to a prosecution under subsection (a)(1)(B) or (d)
of this section, or under subsection (a)(2) of this section with
respect to the use of a facility for an activity under subsection (a)
(1)(B) of this section that a person--

(A) has taken, in good faith, reasonable, effective, and appropriate
actions under the circumstances to restrict or prevent access by
minors to a communication specified in such subsections, which may
involve any appropriate measures to restrict minors from such
communications, including any method which is feasible under available
technology; or
(B) has restricted access to such communication by requiring use of a
verified credit card, debit account, adult access code, or adult
personal identification number.

(6) The Commission may describe measures which are reasonable,
effective, and appropriate to restrict access to prohibited
communications under subsection (d) of this section. Nothing in this
section authorizes the Commission to enforce, or is intended to
provide the Commission with the authority to approve, sanction, or
permit, the use of such measures. The Commission shall have no
enforcement authority over the failure to utilize such measures. The
Commission shall not endorse specific products relating to such
measures. The use of such measures shall be admitted as evidence of
good faith efforts for purposes of paragraph (5) in any action arising
under subsection (d) of this section. Nothing in this section shall be
construed to treat interactive computer services as common carriers or
telecommunications carriers.
(f) Violations of law required; commercial entities, nonprofit
libraries, or institutions of higher education
(1) No cause of action may be brought in any court or administrative
agency against any person on account of any activity that is not in
violation of any law punishable by criminal or civil penalty, and that
the person has taken in good faith to implement a defense authorized
under this section or otherwise to restrict or prevent the
transmission of, or access to, a communication specified in this
section.
(2) No State or local government may impose any liability for
commercial activities or actions by commercial entities, nonprofit
libraries, or institutions of higher education in connection with an
activity or action described in subsection (a)(2) or (d) of this
section that is inconsistent with the treatment of those activities or
actions under this section: Provided, however, That nothing herein
shall preclude any State or local government from enacting and
enforcing complementary oversight, liability, and regulatory systems,
procedures, and requirements, so long as such systems, procedures, and
requirements govern only intrastate services and do not result in the
imposition of inconsistent rights, duties or obligations on the
provision of interstate services. Nothing in this subsection shall
preclude any State or local government from governing conduct not
covered by this section.

(g) Application and enforcement of other Federal law
Nothing in subsection (a), (d), (e), or (f) of this section or in the
defenses to prosecution under subsection (a) or (d) of this section
shall be construed to affect or limit the application or enforcement
of any other Federal law.
(h) Definitions
For purposes of this section-- Amended by the `Violence Against Women
and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005) See
Cyberstalking.
(1) The use of the term "telecommunications device" in this section--

(A) shall not impose new obligations on broadcasting station licensees
and cable operators covered by obscenity and indecency provisions
elsewhere in this chapter; and
(B) does not include an interactive computer service, and.

(C) in the case of subparagraph (C) of subsection (a)(1), includes any
device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or
other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in
part, by the Internet (as such term is defined in section 1104 of the
Internet Tax Freedom Act (47 U.S.C. 151 note)).

(2) The term "interactive computer service" has the meaning provided
in section 230(e)(2) of this title.
(3) The term "access software" means software (including client or
server software) or enabling tools that do not create or provide the
content of the communication but that allow a user to do any one or
more of the following:

(A) filter, screen, allow, or disallow content;
(B) pick, choose, analyze, or digest content; or

(C) transmit, receive, display, forward, cache, search, subset,
organize, reorganize, or translate content.

(4) The term "institution of higher education" has the meaning
provided in section 1141 of Title 20.
(5) The term "library" means a library eligible for participation in
State- based plans for funds under title III of the Library Services
and Construction Act (20 U.S.C. 355e et seq.).

On Aug 4, 11:17*pm, Frank Reid © 2008 wrote:
Section 223 of title 47 as amended by the Communications Decency Act

(4) The term "institution of higher education" has the meaning
provided in section 1141 of Title 20.
(5) The term "library" means a library eligible for participation in
State- based plans for funds under title III of the Library Services
and Construction Act (20 U.S.C. 355e et seq.).

Very good, let´s hope the stupid lying bag of **** can read.

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

wrote in message
...

Mike,
I will gladly repost, for public record, the email which you sent me
yesterday, wherein you clearly stated that you were absolutely done posting
or paying attention to either ROFF or ROFFT. Not that I care, whatsoever,
what you choose to do with your life, but at least I now see that you are a
liar. Flat-out, a disreputable, lying jerk.
Tom

wrote in message
...
Very good, let´s hope the stupid lying bag of **** can read.

Mike Connor

well, speaking of lying bags of ****......
"The last one, I wont reply to you again, because there is simply no point
in doing so, nor will I post to either of the groups again.

Mike Connor"

sound familiar? It dates from 7:30 PM last evening.
Tom

On Aug 4, 11:28*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Mike,
* I will gladly repost, for public record, the email which you sent me
yesterday, wherein you clearly stated that you were absolutely done posting
or paying attention to either ROFF or ROFFT. Not that I care, whatsoever,
what you choose to do with your life, but at least I now see that you are a
liar. Flat-out, a disreputable, lying jerk.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

Of course, you arseholes always trot out the same crap, after one or
more of you has posted insinuations of a sexual nature, or other
rubbish.

If you just left me alone, I would be extremely pleased to have
nothing whatever to do with you filthy degenerate scumbags.

So what is a well known child molester like Seidman doing on a fly-
fishing board? You buddies are you? Do you bait the kids for him,
what do you use? Mars bars? or promises of fishing trips?

Listen you ****er, you aren´t going to browbeat me or **** me about, I
don´t give a **** what you think about anything at all.

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

On Aug 4, 11:28*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Mike,
* I will gladly repost, for public record, the email which you sent me
yesterday, wherein you clearly stated that you were absolutely done posting
or paying attention to either ROFF or ROFFT. Not that I care, whatsoever,
what you choose to do with your life, but at least I now see that you are a
liar. Flat-out, a disreputable, lying jerk.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

Repost whatever you like, none of you scumbags have the right to
defame me without redress, and you are going to regret doing so,
believe me.

Mike Connor

http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

wrote:
Yet another His Loony Mikeness tirade snipped

I *told* you he'd go apoplectic. Just as soon as Cabarle
agreed to remove the NEFF posters from roff and rofft I
knew we were in for yet another entertaining round of
His Loony Mikeness going postal.

It's no less funny for being so predictable. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Aug 4, 11:52*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
Yet another His Loony Mikeness tirade snipped

I *told* you he'd go apoplectic. Just as soon as Cabarle
agreed to remove the NEFF posters from roff and rofft I
knew we were in for yet another entertaining round of
His Loony Mikeness going postal.

It's no less funny for being so predictable. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

You don´t know **** you lying piece of filth, you were the filthy
degenerate **** that started all this in the first place,all the
sexual innuendo and other defamation, and you bask in the results of
it like a pig in ****.

You should be strangled for your lying utterances, purely designed to
cause trouble. If I was anywhere
near you you abominable ******* you would be.

Mike Connor
http://www.mike1.bplaced.net/Wikka/HomePage

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I *told* you he'd go apoplectic. Just as soon as Cabarle
agreed to remove the NEFF posters from roff and rofft I
knew we were in for yet another entertaining round of
His Loony Mikeness going postal.

It's no less funny for being so predictable. LOL !!

You don´t know **** ...

You should be strangled ...

Threats of physical violence ? Tut, tut, my man, do try
to keep your temper in check. By your own admission you've
lost ISP accounts and posting privileges because of your
intemperate online behavior. You wouldn't want to find your
titty in a wringer again, would you ?

--
Ken Fortenberry