odd behaviour

As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected but
close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream just
erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would expect a John
Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible thing
was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small fish were
breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them, but this was a
good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where I was fishing into
a little bay so it could have been pike I am thinking but would that make a
sizable bream behave like a minnow in a piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and stay
topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know that a 3lb
bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it

"Gandalf" wrote in message
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As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected but
close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream just
erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would expect a
John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible thing
was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small fish were
breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them, but this was a
good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where I was fishing
into a little bay so it could have been pike I am thinking but would that
make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

"But, doesn't it look real cool when they tail it "

Once I had come out of shock I have to admit it was a little interesting,
all the stupid things went through the mind like a cross trout bream sort of
slim and spots really.(;-)

Needless to say but I am going again on Monday.VBG

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
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Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and
stay topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know that a
3lb bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected but
close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream just
erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would expect a
John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible
thing was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small fish
were breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them, but this
was a good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where I was
fishing into a little bay so it could have been pike I am thinking but
would that make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

Good hunting Gandalf, try for a ballet dancer next? :{)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
"But, doesn't it look real cool when they tail it "

Once I had come out of shock I have to admit it was a little interesting,
all the stupid things went through the mind like a cross trout bream sort
of slim and spots really.(;-)

Needless to say but I am going again on Monday.VBG

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and
stay topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know that
a 3lb bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected
but close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream
just erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would
expect a John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible
thing was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small fish
were breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them, but this
was a good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where I was
fishing into a little bay so it could have been pike I am thinking but
would that make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

Hi Midnight.

"try for a ballet dancer next? :{)"

But that would be far tutus easy, you might say.(;-) Better that than a cod
piece me thinks, now that thought could put you off fish and chips for life.

Monday got trod on by family so it will now be Thursday and Friday, they
will learn there is a cost to taking my fishing days away.VBG

Being a man of bream experience can I ask if this makes sense. I started
with a paternoster(SP) set up with feed being a short 4 inch and the hook
length a simple 8 inches. This brought a lot of gentle bites and fish
ranging from 1/2 lb to just over the lb but when I went to a short flying
hook on a running feeder rig I got the bigger ones. Is this usual for bream
or was it just a mater of luck as it happened with the larger fish moving in
later when I changed technique slightly. I changed because I though the
shallow swim ( about 6 foot ) allowed the hook length to be mauled around
before registering on the quiver tip, does that make sense as a rule.

Just come back to fishing so need to relearn a few things as my break was
down to an illness that has resulted in a bit of lost memory.

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Good hunting Gandalf, try for a ballet dancer next? :{)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
"But, doesn't it look real cool when they tail it "

Once I had come out of shock I have to admit it was a little interesting,
all the stupid things went through the mind like a cross trout bream sort
of slim and spots really.(;-)

Needless to say but I am going again on Monday.VBG

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and
stay topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know that
a 3lb bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected
but close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream
just erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would
expect a John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible
thing was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small
fish were breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them,
but this was a good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where
I was fishing into a little bay so it could have been pike I am
thinking but would that make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a
piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly :{)


In my experience (for what its worth), it sounds like your going in the
right direction.
A running trace tends to outdo the paternoster, in the sense that as you
know bream
can be very timid at times, being able to play a while overcomes the fear
and once
feeling safer they tend to start a slow run for the next meal. One thing
does jump
to mind however, on the paternoster the bites can be better read, in this
case a slightly
smaller hook, embedded rather than on the show, can often be crafty enough
to
fool the larger fish, also try extending to 6 and 10 as opposed to 4 and 8
to give
them a little more scope to start the run. Also, the bites can sometimes be
easier to connect if
you lower the angle of the rod slightly, the reaction time remains the same
but your movement to
connect ratio improves. (works for me because im lazy :{) )


Hope this helps, happy hunting sir.


"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Hi Midnight.

"try for a ballet dancer next? :{)"

But that would be far tutus easy, you might say.(;-) Better that than a
cod piece me thinks, now that thought could put you off fish and chips for
life.

Monday got trod on by family so it will now be Thursday and Friday, they
will learn there is a cost to taking my fishing days away.VBG

Being a man of bream experience can I ask if this makes sense. I started
with a paternoster(SP) set up with feed being a short 4 inch and the hook
length a simple 8 inches. This brought a lot of gentle bites and fish
ranging from 1/2 lb to just over the lb but when I went to a short flying
hook on a running feeder rig I got the bigger ones. Is this usual for
bream or was it just a mater of luck as it happened with the larger fish
moving in later when I changed technique slightly. I changed because I
though the shallow swim ( about 6 foot ) allowed the hook length to be
mauled around before registering on the quiver tip, does that make sense
as a rule.

Just come back to fishing so need to relearn a few things as my break was
down to an illness that has resulted in a bit of lost memory.

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Good hunting Gandalf, try for a ballet dancer next? :{)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
"But, doesn't it look real cool when they tail it "

Once I had come out of shock I have to admit it was a little
interesting, all the stupid things went through the mind like a cross
trout bream sort of slim and spots really.(;-)

Needless to say but I am going again on Monday.VBG

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and
stay topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know
that a 3lb bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected
but close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream
just erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would
expect a John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible
thing was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small
fish were breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them,
but this was a good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from
where I was fishing into a little bay so it could have been pike I am
thinking but would that make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a
piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

Thank you, I will actually have it for life now but as with everything, you
learn to live around it.

Saw some sticklebacks today in a very nice little stream in a country house
park at Lydiard, just outside Swindon. Probably not the best place to try
and catch them though.

Going after the bream on Monday after all, my grandsons last chance for a
weekday trip as he starts full time school on Tuesday. We did a deal, he
mentioned he wanted to go and I promised him a nice bream on his rod, if
only he knew the odds on my end of the deal.VBG

Many thanks for the advice. I did remember to keep the tip low but did it to
stop eye strain as there was a flat and dark piece of water I could use as
backdrop to the quiver.

I did not that letting the small taps pass led to more connections, I had
assumed line bits with the angle of the line.

I will try increasing the lengths of hook and feeder line next time I use
paternoster, the lengths you mention are about what I would normally use but
mainly I used it to present bread flake so needed a little extra length due
to the movement of the bread flake on first entry in the water ( semi
floating ) for moderate carp way back.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly
:{)


In my experience (for what its worth), it sounds like your going in the
right direction.
A running trace tends to outdo the paternoster, in the sense that as you
know bream
can be very timid at times, being able to play a while overcomes the fear
and once
feeling safer they tend to start a slow run for the next meal. One thing
does jump
to mind however, on the paternoster the bites can be better read, in this
case a slightly
smaller hook, embedded rather than on the show, can often be crafty enough
to
fool the larger fish, also try extending to 6 and 10 as opposed to 4 and 8
to give
them a little more scope to start the run. Also, the bites can sometimes
be easier to connect if
you lower the angle of the rod slightly, the reaction time remains the
same but your movement to
connect ratio improves. (works for me because im lazy :{) )


Hope this helps, happy hunting sir.

Two more tail walking bream yesterday, talked to a couple of locals and it
seems it is quiet common. Had about 15 fish, all over 1lb and the best was
close to 5lbs so a nice days pleasure fishing. Best of all was I managed to
catch one for my 4 y.o. grandson to play and land. He was well chuffed.

I did use a longer flying hook length and it did seem better on the day. I
did get smashed up twice and I think it was most probably carp.

Next target species will be tench or crucian carp as I am told of a "never
fails" swim and we all know how good they are usually.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly
:{)

Great news, glad the young'un was chuffed.
Went this evening for my last hour at the local pool. met a nice gent who
has been fishing for around 50 years, poor chap was suffering a blanking day
since 2.30 this afternoon, so i made his day by using the same bait in the
next peg (5 feet away) to land a 7lb carp on my pole in the first 15
minutes. I feel so guilty, but what can you do? hehe.
Good luck with the carping, but the 'never fails' swims can be changeable,
take meat and paste (preferable trout type) as backup, trust me, the old
'trout paste' is a killer for carping. i find the light brown standard fishy
paste mixed with an egg then pinched on a 14 hook works for me every time
when the meat goes slow. (or if you feel inclined the normal fishy 'ready
mixed' paste in a pot .)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Two more tail walking bream yesterday, talked to a couple of locals and it
seems it is quiet common. Had about 15 fish, all over 1lb and the best was
close to 5lbs so a nice days pleasure fishing. Best of all was I managed
to catch one for my 4 y.o. grandson to play and land. He was well chuffed.

I did use a longer flying hook length and it did seem better on the day. I
did get smashed up twice and I think it was most probably carp.

Next target species will be tench or crucian carp as I am told of a "never
fails" swim and we all know how good they are usually.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly
:{)

A sick question for you Midnight, how the hell do you get rid of bream slime
from your landing net. I blasted mine with the hose after rinsing it in hot
water and it is still there. I am now trying to dry it off before I got
tomorrow.

Don't knock the 50 years experience either, I started fishing 40 years ago.
There was a 20 year gap in the middle of it though.VBG I so think my catch
upset the locals as well, they were pulling a load of small silver fish and
I could hear the chatter every time the rod bent over.

Off out to give it a go tomorrow and I have to take the wife next week, like
an idiot I offered to take her out for our anniversary and joked that it was
a fishing picnic. She said yes.(;-) Mind you the new swim is only 200 yards
from a pub so I can leave her with the rods and go for a pint.

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Great news, glad the young'un was chuffed.
Went this evening for my last hour at the local pool. met a nice gent who
has been fishing for around 50 years, poor chap was suffering a blanking
day since 2.30 this afternoon, so i made his day by using the same bait in
the next peg (5 feet away) to land a 7lb carp on my pole in the first 15
minutes. I feel so guilty, but what can you do? hehe.
Good luck with the carping, but the 'never fails' swims can be changeable,
take meat and paste (preferable trout type) as backup, trust me, the old
'trout paste' is a killer for carping. i find the light brown standard
fishy paste mixed with an egg then pinched on a 14 hook works for me every
time when the meat goes slow. (or if you feel inclined the normal fishy
'ready mixed' paste in a pot .)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Two more tail walking bream yesterday, talked to a couple of locals and
it seems it is quiet common. Had about 15 fish, all over 1lb and the best
was close to 5lbs so a nice days pleasure fishing. Best of all was I
managed to catch one for my 4 y.o. grandson to play and land. He was well
chuffed.

I did use a longer flying hook length and it did seem better on the day.
I did get smashed up twice and I think it was most probably carp.

Next target species will be tench or crucian carp as I am told of a
"never fails" swim and we all know how good they are usually.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly
:{)